Woodward: Congressman Murtha Is "The Soul And Conscience Of The Military:...

From 60 Minutes Interview with Bob Woodward:

Mike Wallace: And then, this past March, General Abizaid visited Congressman John Murtha on Capitol Hill.

Bob Woodward: John Murtha is, in many ways, the soul and the conscience of the military, and he came out and said, "We need to get out of Iraq as soon as it's practical." And that sent a ten-thousand volt jolt through the White House.

Wallace: Yeah.

Woodward: Here's Mr. Military saying we need to get out. And John Abizaid went to see him, privately. This is Bush's and Rumsfeld's commander in Iraq, and John Abizaid held up his fingers, according to Murtha, and said, about a quarter of an inch apart, and said "We're that far apart."

Wallace: Abizaid and Murtha?

Woodward: (gestures with fingers) That far apart.