Instead of villifying the people who refuse to jump over the cliff with you, why not take a moment to admit some facts. You cannot control the planet. You are not in control of your own government. Hell half the time you can't even control your own mind from wandering.

I do not deny that climate is changing and we seem to be experiencing larger disasters. But you refuse to admit that by adaptation many of the disaster could be mitigated.

I'll say again, don't allow development in flood plains, even 100 year flood plains. Stop and rescind coastal development. Underground development, and all steel structures in tornado alley. Earthquake areas require special consideration, yet damage can be mitigated with the proper construction techniques.

How many lives could have been saved, property saved if these simple rules had been implemented thirty years ago? Hell we knew about global warming then, but did nothing.

The canary has died and the panic has set in. Just because I'm not panicking, save your name calling, and calm down.

I see them in the Capitol Hill area...we've pretty much run them away from there. They seem to think they're a political party or something.

My parents are both researchers. Climate data of the polar ice caps locked in frozen ice has been recorded back to the early Mesozoic period, at or before dinosaurs appeared (225 million years for stupid people like you). Now wipe that drool off your mouth.

Good point.

"R&D" stands for research and development, not manufacturing. Fund some primary research to find us an alternative source of power. There is no need to raise the awareness of global warming; who has not heard of it. We need a solution, not advertising...

Defyant, your selective logic and out-of-context quote of statistics sound too clever to be persuasive:

First, to be credible and persuasive in citing sources, like a $30,000 electricity bill -- have you personally checked its authenticity? and if so, have you checked the authenticity and political/financial motivation of this "Tennessee Center for ....". A person or organization that offers such detail personal information MUST have a motive or agenda. So, what do you think is this group's agenda, in trying to discredit Al Gore? To be sure, Gore has recognized personal failings -- who doesn't? But inauthenticity is not one of them, and many Americans and people around the world (in the millions and millions) have reached this collective judgement.

In quoting from the movie "Gladiator", I said art imitates life. You pick a straw man to knock down. -- You choose to miss the real point in the historical analogy of missed opportunities.

You said "how stupid Americans really are ... " -- that's a sweeping generalization you cannot support with facts and arguments to be persuasive. Yes, they are badly, thoroughly and deliberately misled by the government and mass media, and groups like "Tennessee Center for ...", for myopic selfish gains, as Al Gore so clearly explained and carefully referenced in his book "Assault on Reason". For you to blabber away without any credible supporting facts or arguments is not only an unpersuasive personal opinion, but is a sign of misplaced desperation.

Global climate change is no longer a rational argement between thoughtful people. In reality, it is the human species pitting itself and the survival of life on this planet against the primal forces of nature. That is incredible arrogant and soulless folly on a monumental scale, no matter where you come from or what you believe, as long as we and posterity are all part of this small planet.

said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

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Dept. of Revenue says conservative think tank ‘not a legitimate group’

February 16, 2007

The state’s Department of Revenue is refusing to respond to inquiries from a conservative watchdog organization over a controversial tax, labeling them “not a legitimate group.”

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR), who bills themselves as an “independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research and educational institute,”


December 15, 2005

From Beltway to Bible Belt

Drew Johnson's Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a state-based, free market think tank, is up and running.

If you want to know what a difference one year makes, ask Drew Johnson.

Last November, the Torch reported on Johnson’s plans to start a free-market, state-based think tank in Tennessee. At the time, what would become the Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR) didn’t have a staff or even a web site. Johnson celebrated the little steps, like hiring an accountant
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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:NxkiK6iX98wJ:www.vutorch.org/blog/archives/000193.html+%22Drew+Johnson%22,+Pepperdine&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1



Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR) describes itself as "an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research and educational institute dedicated to providing concerned citizens, the media and public leaders with expert research and timely free market policy solutions to public policy issues in Tennessee
TCPR is "part of the right's State Policy Network,"

SPN is a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide right-wing organizations.

Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the state and local level
Additionally, according to the Tennessee Department of Revenue, TCPR is "not a legitimate organization."

Johnson tells the Scene that while the center hasn't hung its shingle anywhere other than on the Internet thus far, an actual place of business is in the works."


Links from TCPR's website include the following right-wing and libertarian think tanks:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tennessee_Center_for_Policy_Research

Too late? Boo friggin hoo. Feel free to walk your carbon producing body off the nearest cliff then.

YOU ARE UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT

Are you calling me a troll? What problem? You want to buy hook, line, and sinker the myth of global warming because Al Gore won an Oscar?

What ever happened to the ozone hole? El nino and La nina? Until global warming came along we had failed recycling programs, a switch in refrigerant compounds, and a conservation campaign that people obviously ignored.

I'm not denying anything. I'm questioning the motives of a national ad campaign selling us a new environmental catastrophe.

If our government was sincere, we would have as a nation been compelled thirty years ago to invest in R&D for clean fuels, sustainable agriculture, and education. Real education, not this feel good crap that passes for education. Our leaders would have invested in America and not multi-national corporations.

You call me a troll because I dare question the great Al Gore. A man whose electric bill on his home is more than my all my bills put together every month.

My god. What is wrong with people that they can't stand to have their demi-gods questioned.

As for the carbon tax. How about we get the current mess cleaned up and establish some accountability in our current governmental process before we let them saddle us with new taxes. How about we stop the waste and pork which congress is by now famous for.

Why are you people so eager to give your government your hard earned dollars so they can steal it, give it away and waste it?

As for me being a troll, bck at you buddy.

Proud member of the Soiled Tin Foil Diaper conspiricy theory crowd ....thanks for the chuckle as always mark

ANOTHER DUMB MORON!

OK--

Do YOU want gamble your life on it? Just to make a few measly dollars? The argument you offer is not only disengenuous, it's asinine. Somebody tells you something in YOUR best interest and you tell them to f-ck off.

Calling global warming a "scam" and speaking of "environmentalists wackos" doesn't make it so. I just shows that you are ignorning or are ignorant of the vast body of scientific research. Name calling is a poor excuse for intelligent debate. I suspect you are listening to too much Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter or the O'Reilly factor. It has a negative effect on one's ability to engage in rational debate. try reading the real science. My favorite site for that is realclimate.org where serious climate change scientists have a brilliant blog going.

mark, no personal attack here. I tend to agree that it is not productive. That said, you pretty darn personal there yourself. Your assertions contradict the scientific consensus on the question of human influence on the climate. The people who agree have no logical connection to the conspiracy you see. You even question whether the climate is changing at all. That assertion is about as valid as the flat Earth POV. Why do you hate science?

Ah, the solution is to join a "movement"! This poor pathetic 60s outcast still hasn't found his purpose in life and the parties now suck, so let's invent a new movement. Katrina is the Kent State of the 21st century, eh? FYI, air quality and water quality continue to improve in the US (unless we're measuring it with you in your mother's basement). You've got a movement all right, but unfortunately it's in your bowels. Feel free to start commuting in a tricycle, but keep your movement away from me -- wouldn't want you to have an unfortunate meeting with my SUV now would you?

Here's the movement I'll join. It's called the anti - idiot movement. Our movement will encourage people to build storm shelters, or how about they build underground homes in tornado alley. Don't build in flood plains. If you live in an earthquake prone area, how about you don't build on unstable hillsides. Oh, here's an oldie but goody, in hurricane prone coastal areas, no development at all. How about a natural coastline?

There, adaptation theory, instead of the same old power and control way of looking at the world.

Now who's the moron.