NYT: Rice Considers Iraq A "Stain" On Her Legacy

New York Times   |  HELENE COOPER   |   September 1, 2007 09:24 AM


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Within hours, the letters to the editor started coming in. "Condoleezza Rice serves an administration that has trashed the basic values of academia: reason, science, expertise, and honesty. Stanford should not welcome her back," wrote Don Ornstein, identified by the newspaper as an emeritus professor of mathematics in a letter published May 31.

Online comments on the newspaper's Web site were even harsher, a veritable stream of vitriol. One of the milder posts came from Jon Wu, who did not give an affiliation: "Please go away, Rice. We don't want someone who is responsible for the slaughter of an entire nation teaching at our school."

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Surely she has a berth on the oil tanker that bears her name?

A living, breathing example of the Peter Principle. Just like her boss.

Amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 09/01/2007
- shades3 I'm a Fan of shades3 33 fans permalink

But, the difference between Rice and Bush is that President Bush reached what Laurence Peter called the Level Of Incompetence with his very first job and yet was promoted waayyyy beyond that level.
Rice has demonstrated intelligence and competence before she was appointed to government positions, as much as a token appointment as the best person for the job.
Her downfall has been that she became concerned with her "legacy", much as Bush has, and forgot just what her job is.
Both WORK FOR YOU. Both have come short of the requirements of the job.
Sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/01/2007
- Blutus I'm a Fan of Blutus 11 fans permalink

Conservative students at Stanford?!?

Holy shit!
How did they even get in??

Those damn commie schools!

And that Hoover Institute and that Tommy Sowell
guy and all that oil money too!!

Damn libruls!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 09/01/2007

I agree. The day she returns, as she will, the students should walk out in a body. If she is scheduled to speak, students should turn their backs. This person is, at the very least, an enabler of the most egregious kind. She knew she was lying when she evoked atomic warfare in her speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 09/01/2007
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 286 fans permalink
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Regardless of politics, Rice has been part of the making of US history and 21st century foreign policy. The opportunity to learn from her experience is an incredible one for any student of history, international affairs, diplomacy, or political science. Anyone who would pass up a chance to take a class under Condi Rice is not a serious student anyway.

Sometimes in college you have to put aside your hate and seize a chance to learn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 09/01/2007
- DANOSC I'm a Fan of DANOSC 7 fans permalink

What would these students learn from Rice? The truth about the Bush administration? Hardly. What value is learning the worst in revisionistic lies? I think there are plenty of noted, noble instructors at Stanford. I seriously doubt that you would have to take a class from Rice to be considered a "serious student" at Stanford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/01/2007

Students can look at Condi's actions as Nat'l Security advisor and as Secretary of State and realize that if they do the exact opposite, they will be doing the right thing about 90 per cent of the time.

Rice was the worst NS advisor in the history of the position, and she has been an abject failure at State.

She has a strong intellect, but lacks the ability to tell good policy from bad. She has also been a typical Party before Country Republican.

Hardly a shining example for students---except as a cautionary tale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 09/01/2007
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 270 fans permalink

That's right... treat her as if she was an honorable SOS — and pass that lie on to a new generation of Americans so they can be as uninformed and misled as you are.

Abramoff has been part of the making of US history, too. Should he get a class?

Sometimes in college, you have to put aside common sense and seize an autograph.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 09/01/2007

Learn what? The total and complete rewriting of history so she and her Chimpmaster don't look so bad? And the fact that the United States spied on it's own citizens without legal approval? And the fact that, for the first time in the history of this country, torture was given official recognition as an acceptable means to interrogate prisoners? (I could go on, but there is a word limit.) Oh, wait. She could teach them to lie with a straight face, and brown nose someone with the I.Q. of an eggplant to advance one's own agenda. Yep, you're correct. She'd be a great teacher.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/01/2007
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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LOL, if any student wants to learn lessons from Rice, and the misadministration at large, they could do that alot easier and cheaper by watching the news. Otherwise, it would be a failure as an academic institution to have anything to do with this misadministration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 09/01/2007
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 208 fans permalink

Personally, I think she should go from the State Department, to the Hague, along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Hadley, Wolfowitz, Feith, and a whole bunch of other neocon sociopaths.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/01/2007
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I wonder who would bother to take her class? I think that would end it right there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 09/01/2007
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

No..her classes would be full each time they were taught. Despite the negative roar and rhetoric, these students will WANT to be a member of her class...if only to tell their grand kids that they tooks a class from the ex Sec. of State of the United States of America. Stanford will allow her to come back with much fanfare. The students are not in control...even at Stanford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 09/01/2007
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 122 fans permalink
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I'd like to believe the students have more "class" than that... Rice is not fit nor qualified to teach anyone anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 09/01/2007
- Spud777 I'm a Fan of Spud777 7 fans permalink

This is amazing, the students and professors at Stanford do not want “Condescending” Rice back, spewing her version of world events. Condi is just another Bush Sycophant. Super. After reading this blog, I felt that there is hope for America after all. These educated people know corruption when they see it and they do not like it. Way to go Stanford and all educated people. Only the ultra rich and the red necks support the Republican Party today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 09/01/2007

And not even the ultra rich. They know that Bush has destroyed this economy. And who does Warren Buffet and even Trunp endorse? NOT Bushies, for sure! Only fools and the really corrupt who have benefited from the corruption support the Boy Idiot and his court jesters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 09/01/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

Using your thinking why aren't politicians and advocates like Corzine, Rockefeller, Dayton, Cantwell, Boxer, Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, and Edwards supporting the republican party? Why would I say that? Because they are the absolute richest politicians. And that goes for advocates like Soros, also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 09/01/2007

You make blanket statements with no facts to back them up.
Using what passes for your thinking, one would assume that you are an amoeba---because that's as evolved as your "thinking" is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 09/01/2007
- Imzadi I'm a Fan of Imzadi 83 fans permalink
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She has been the worst National Security Advisor AND Secretary of State this nation has ever had to endure. Let her live off book royalties and speaking fees. The Mathematics professor emeritus described perfectly why she should not be allowed to return to the university. Trying to clean up her image and legacy?? She should have thought about that WHILE she was performing so badly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 09/01/2007
- outofhere I'm a Fan of outofhere 5 fans permalink

I agree. She wouldn't have to be concerned about her legacy if she had been honest with her employer - the American people - instead of endorsing the lies of the Bush administration. Hey Condi, if you're really interested in your legacy skip academia and spend some time w/ Iraqi families whose lives have been destroyed by your policies. Or go to VA hospitals and volunteer to help soldier's families whose lives have been ripped apart by your lies. Nah, you'll never see the human face of your policies, you'll hid in academia or join some neocon "think tank."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 09/01/2007
- Ffranco I'm a Fan of Ffranco 7 fans permalink

Someone with this behavior, quoted in the article: "She rarely questions whether she is right or wrong, instead choosing to believe in a particular truth with absolute certainty until she doesn’t believe it anymore, at which point she moves on." Plus, an active participant in the second worst administration in US history (after Buchanan's), has no place in the academic world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/01/2007
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Buchanan looks like Washington if you compare him to George W. How in the world can anyone think Bush is not the worst?? Bush has wrecked the country on nearly every level, wrecked the military and wrecked our image around the world, not to mention completely gutting the Constitution, among other things. Then giving himself a pardon just before the 2006 elections, in case anyone forgot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 09/01/2007
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 405 fans permalink
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I don't know that they're complaining about. At least it would get her out of the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 09/01/2007
- unclebucky I'm a Fan of unclebucky 70 fans permalink

True, very true.

Poor Stanford students, however.

But true.........

Ugh.

--UB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 09/01/2007
- takemeaway I'm a Fan of takemeaway 4 fans permalink

There are other places she can go. Maybe she could come down off her ivory tower and get a real job.

Besides, it doesn't matter. When Bush's term is up, he can finally divorce Laura and live with Condi, his one true love.

I think Condi is very capable, but unfortunately, so isolated that she can't see the reality because all she's surrounded by is the Bush Cabal.

Democracy indeed. Their version of democracy coupled with the rightwing version of christianity spells only one thing - fascism.

How we delude ourselves when we close our eyes to half the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/01/2007

She is actually Bush's second true love. His true love is Victor Ashe. They have been together since being roomates in college. When Bush went to Alabama for the National Gurad in the 70's, he and Victor hid out together. Bush repays his true love by appointing him as a ambassador. Condi is close, but no Victor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 09/01/2007
- Shacked I'm a Fan of Shacked 6 fans permalink
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There are other places she can go. Maybe she could come down off her ivory tower and get a real job.

Did we not say the same thing about BJ Clinton, never earned a fair paycheck in his life, living off the public tit, probably like most of the looosers on this dung pile. My best guess is that the majority of fools on the pile don't have any real professions where they have to produce something either material or intellectual, but consider themselve pseudo intellectuals with all the answers participating in a giant circle jerk with other pointy heads. LMAO!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/01/2007

Before reinstalling her at Stanford or any other school, why not send her to Iraq for 4 or 5 tours on the ground first, since she believes in the "mission" there, and her commitment to honest scholarship is somewhat less clear. This will give her the opportunity to fight for democracy in a way that will help clear her thinking, and give her the real world experience that seems lacking in her role as SoS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 09/01/2007
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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And they should. Furthermore, the student body should ban her for making any speeches of any kind within the premises from now on. She is embodiment of a Nazi propagandist.

Under her tenure only death and destruction has been her only achievements. Her inactivity represents the end of diplomacy as we know it. We are entering the age of force and occupation (see historical parallels prior to WWII).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 09/01/2007
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 286 fans permalink
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Yep. And that proves Godwin's Law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 09/01/2007

Which proves absolutely nothing, really.

But it does allow you to puff out your chest and feel all smug and superior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 09/01/2007
- prscnt1 I'm a Fan of prscnt1 8 fans permalink

Godwin’s Law:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
Corollary to Godwin’s Law:
The probability is one that all Nazis will hide behind Godwin’s Law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 09/01/2007
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They can fume all they want--and I'd fume, too--but no University with the Hoover Institute in the center of campus is going to deny Condi her old job. A girl's got to have new shoes, no?

Has she actually DONE anything OTHER than buy shoes or lecture sullen jewelry clerks during her tenure?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 09/01/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

The facts are this: She has the resume, the qualifications as far as degrees go, and experiences, to be on the staff at Stanford or anywhere else.

Just because she doesn't have the same politics they have is NO RIGHT to deny her a position. THIS IS AMERICA. Somebody needs to remind those folks opposing Rice. In a DEMOCRATIC nation, everybody is allowed to have there own views. And not be punished for them. These so-called liberals at Stanford need to review the 1st Amendment and see that it applies to her, also. And not just them.

Whats amazing is these same people will defend Ward Churchill's rights. Yet, has anybody seen where his degree is from? Something called Sangamon State. Not exactly a resume like Rice has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 09/01/2007
- mulegino I'm a Fan of mulegino 61 fans permalink

Now I understand. Having a degree from a prestigious university covers over a multitude of blunders, gaffes, trite slogans ["smoking gun as mushroom cloud" "all options are on the table"] and general incompetence. Being a competent pianist justifies hastening America's decline throughout the world by making or enabling disastrous decisions.
A degree, except insofar as it is put to good use, is meaningless to all but credentialists and sycophants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 09/01/2007

She could have degrees out the ying/yang, but if Stanford doesn't want to hire her, that is their choice. Are you saying that they should be "forced" to hire her? What about the first amendment says that she is entitled to a job at Stanford, or ANY job, where she is not wanted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/01/2007
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

The First Amendment gives her a right to a job? They can deny her a position for a number of reasons, including her shoddy scholarship, the contentiousness of her positions causing problems or that her pronouced positions undermine the project of a university to provide honest, reasoned OPEN inquiry. Lies, triangulation, manipulation -- these don't count highly in academia. You may applaud that judicial ruling in Florida that said Fox didn't have to tell the truth (despite their claims of being a news organization) but this doesn't mean that Stanford wants to re-elevate such devious and become associated with it.

If academic dishonesty were cited as reasons to fire Ward Churchill, then that's fine, but as an excuse to fire him because he published something unpopular is wrong. Guess you can't tell the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 09/01/2007
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She is arguably the biggest failure to ever come out of Stanford. There should be 1st ammendment comments sniping about her desire to return. That is the part of democracy they forget about in Washington. I will say the best statement I have ever heard attributed to her is:

The American military “is not a civilian police force.” “It is not a political referee,” she wrote. “And it is most certainly not designed to build a civilian society.”

Too bad she delivered it in Forign Affairs, a Journal and not to the Commander in Chief. Just another example of a book smart poor performer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/01/2007
- Issak I'm a Fan of Issak 12 fans permalink

steamboat

Except for the little fact that she has blood in her hands....has broken the law -repeatedly! her, Cheney, Rumsfeld, of course Bush -definitely qualify as bona fide defendants in a world court for crimes against humanity. Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/01/2007
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 186 fans permalink

Very encouraging indeed! This is the first indication that I have seen that Bush does not want to impose a permanent fascist dictatorship. Maybe it won't include Condi. So I don't want to jump to any conclusions just yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/01/2007
- meneghin I'm a Fan of meneghin 4 fans permalink

Actually yes, she has done a lot worse than that and that's why she's concerned about her legacy. What I don't understand is why on earth is she worrying about her legacy at all, what legacy? Does she really think she deserves a legacy? Like all the others in this administration, from the prez down, they should wish for oblivion and obscurity because the only alternative, in my view, is complete infamy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 09/01/2007
- Veleria29 I'm a Fan of Veleria29 4 fans permalink

Rice will not have a legacy. She will be only a footnote which will proclaim that the first female Black American in her position and it was her misfortune to be appointed by the worst President in the history of this country. She helped lead the members of Bush's administration in lying and giving false information which has destroyed the artifacts of a Country and killed millions of it's people. I think if the truth were known Rice would prefer that the years with Bush be left out of her history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 09/02/2007
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