Who Has Their Ear? Telling Clues To Future Foreign Policy Choices Found In Advisers To Clinton and Obama


First Posted: 09- 3-07 11:27 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Months before the war in Iraq began, the battle within the Democratic foreign policy establishment was engaged.

In late 2002 and throughout 2003, at such think-tanks as the Brookings Institution, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, many eminent scholars, policy intellectuals and politicians out of power lined up for and against Bush's war plans.

On one side were a number who opposed the war -- among them Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ivo Daalder, Susan Rice, and Lawrence Korb -- all of whom called for a broader, multinational coalition, intensified weapons inspections and expanded diplomacy.

"Ultimately, the Bush revolution [in foreign policy] is bound to fail, because its core premise -- that America's security rested on an America unbound -- is deeply mistaken," wrote Daalder, former director for European Affairs on President Clinton's National Security Council staff, in an October 28, 2003 essay. "Far from demonstrating the triumph of unilateral American power, Bush's wars have demonstrated the importance of basing American foreign policy on a blend of power and cooperation."

On the other side of the Democratic divide were the early backers of the drive to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein, including Richard Holbrooke, Sandy Berger and Martin Indyk.

On December 19, 2002, three months before the Iraq war was launched, Indyk, former Assistant Secretary of State and ambassador to Israel, together with Brookings scholar Kenneth M. Pollack wrote an essay titled "Lock and Load" for the Los Angeles Times:

"Hussein has just made it clear again that the only way to effectively disarm his regime is to overthrow it. That leaves the president with a choice between war sooner and war later. Indefinite inspections will only make the inevitable more difficult."

On the surface, these divisions have been largely resolved, with a growing consensus among members of the Democratic Party's foreign affairs elite that the Iraq war is a disaster of major proportions.

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But the original split on the war has profoundly shaped the current contest for the Democratic presidential nomination.

The well-publicized contrast between Hillary Clinton's early backing of the Bush administration's war effort and Barack Obama's early opposition, has to a degree been replicated in the less visible network of foreign policy advisers that each candidate has cultivated -- the early war opponents by Obama, and the one-time hawks by Clinton.

The differing histories of the candidates on Iraq, reinforced by the parallel commitments of their advisers, suggests - but does not guarantee - that Clinton and Obama would, if elected, adopt substantially dissimilar approaches to international relations and to national security threats. If the past and the advisers are a guide, then Clinton would be expected to adopt a tougher line, and would be likely to threaten, and perhaps use, force more readily than Obama.

Clinton has lined up a foreign policy team dominated by those who shared her early support for the war in Iraq, but then, like her, changed their minds.

Holbrooke, Bill Clinton's UN Ambassador -- and a possible Secretary of State in a Hillary Clinton administration -- was, for example, an outspoken backer of the war in the days leading up to the conflict.

"Now it's time to use an approach that builds on the fact that Saddam is the most dangerous government leader in the world today, he poses a threat to the region, he could pose a larger threat if he got weapons of mass destruction deployed, and we have a legitimate right to take action," Holbrooke told Chris Matthews on January 23, 2003, two months before troops opened fire. "The American public always supports its commander-in-chief and we unify in times of crisis, and if the action is fast and rapid and successful, afterwards everyone will think they supported it."

Just seven months later, on August 26, 2003, Holbrooke's views had changed radically: Iraq, in his view, had become the "worst foreign policy disaster since the Vietnam War."

Not all the members of Clinton's foreign policy team were pro-war in the lead-up to the conflict. Nor were all of Obama's advisers down-the-line anti-war.

Daalder, by his own account, opposed the invasion before it began, and again almost immediately after it commenced. But, on the day the US attack started he joined 24 other scholars and analysts in signing a statement -- which he now regrets -- that declared:

"Although some of us have disagreed with the administration's handling of Iraq policy and others of us have agreed with it, we all join in supporting the military intervention in Iraq. The aim of UNSC Resolution 1441 was to give the Iraqi government a 'final opportunity' to comply with all UN resolutions going back 12 years. The Iraqi government has demonstrably not complied. It is now time to act to remove Saddam Hussein and his regime from power."

Madeline Albright, the former Secretary of State now advising Hillary Clinton, was, in turn, among the war critics. In a March 17, 2003, NewsHour interview she argued, with some prescience, that Vice President Cheney "seems to have wanted this action against Iraq from the very beginning, and that there have been around him a group of people who wanted to go to war against Iraq in the worst way. And my sense now is we are doing it in the worst way....[T]he timing of it, kind of an elective war, preemptive action, a serious attack on the United Nations, generally questions about where the institutional structure of the post World War II world is coming to -- are all questions that I think need to be considered, and that are issues that show the inevitable, the avoidable consequences, consequences that will come from this."

Most of Clinton's advisers, however, in the early days of the war confined themselves to procedural questions or voiced tactical doubts rather than substantive and strategic criticism -- primarily calling on the administration to recruit support from a broader array of allies. Sandy Berger, National Security Adviser to President Clinton, was not atypical:

"The urgency of this really changes when you link Saddam Hussein and terrorism," Berger told Chris Matthews on February 13, 2003. "I think after 9/11, the risk of not acting tends to be seen as more compelling than the risk of acting.... If we come in with a multilateral face, I think we are more likely to be seen as liberators not only in the first month, but in the 12th month and in the 16th month when we're still going to be there. That's really the test of whether we're seen as liberators or occupiers."
Over the past five years, most of Clinton's advisers have followed the same path as she has from war supporter to war critic.

"Iraq already presents us with the worst situation internationally in modern American history. Worse even than Vietnam," Holbrooke told a Washington audience on May 10, 2007, noting that he served in Saigon and worked on Vietnam in Washington and at the Paris peace talks.

"I never thought I would say anything was worse than Vietnam but Iraq, my friends, is worse than Vietnam," he added, qualifying his disagreement with the administration by voicing hope that the current U.S. offensive would succeed, but adding that the chances of this "are not high."

Obama's most prominent foreign policy advisers are less circumspect: Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defense from 1981 to 1985, said in an August 29 interview with the Associated Press, "It is essential that the military begin planning for a phased withdrawal from Iraq now so it can be safely completed within 10 to 12 months."

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- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Obama was smart enough to oppose the war some six months before it happened. He is a deep and long term thinker who had a larger sense of what was to come if people acted stupidly. They screwed up. A few of them have apologized after helping cause so much damage. Others have not even acknowledged their responsibility. Kuccinich can be a Secretary for Health and Human Affairs. Obama is presidential material, quite possibly the best mind to vie for the office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/04/2007
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Let's not forget Bill Richardson. Unlike Clinton and Edwards, he is not burdened with the silly history of starting a war and then saying "oh, oh, [I was a naive moron] stop the war." Unlike most of the other candidates (excluding Biden) he has foreign policy experience and sound judgment which, believe it or not, are actually important in a president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 09/04/2007


I can't believe they found

people who still support

the war

and are able to admit

that in public

O O O

O O

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/04/2007
- jbloggz I'm a Fan of jbloggz 2 fans permalink

Looking at the karaoke pic of Obama and Hillary I imagine he's crooning My Way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 09/04/2007

People who actually have some understanding for how political process works in U.S. understand this: Obama has ZERO chance of winning the Presidency.
edia likes him because he fits the profile adored by their advertisers: a mixed breed who can convincingly hawk products to diversified consumer markets. That's why MSM like to show his face amd talk about him, it fits well national brand advertisement and helps increase revenues.

NOw.. back to reality... Let media play with Obama. We, democrats should concentrate to supporting a candidate that can actually win: Clinton or Edwards. I would certainly vote for Mr. K, if he had any chance of winning, maybe...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 09/04/2007

"Obama has ZERO chance of winning the Presidency....NOw.. back to reality"

How much money does Obama have again compared to all other candidates?

How many middle income people have donated their hard earned money to his campaign compared to the number of donors that have supported other candidates (excluding lobbyists)?

Mag, leave the funny cigarettes to Keith Richards. They're distorting your "reality."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 09/04/2007
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

ML, so the big wigs have got you too? Kucinich doesn't stand a chance because they won't give him a chance. People who listen to him like him better than the big wig allowed candidates. Those who like the programs he advocates should be fighting for him, not wrinnginng their hands sayinng, "Too bad. He's OK but he can't win." Fighting for him makes others look aand evedn if he doesn't win, his programs have a better chance of getting implimented by someone else who wants his supporters.
As for Clinton, I agree with kentj that she is not "Bush lite." I'd vote for anybody, even another Republican, before I'd vote for Bush, and she is Bush.
By the way, when did Richardson die?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 09/04/2007

This is a very cogent article. Hillary didn't bother to read the NIE before voting for the war in Iraq --- because one of her advisors read it for her!

This artile demonstrates very clearly what kind of advice she solicits and listens to and it makes it abundantly clear that this woman is dangerous. Indeed, she is Bush/Cheney, but I'm not sure that she is Bush/Cheney light.

I agree with the others who suggest that HuffPo needs to cover more than Cliton and Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 09/04/2007
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 85 fans permalink

And I agree with your last sentence in particular. In spite of having less money, Edwards husbands his resources well and has made some very good strategic moves in his campaign. (His union endorsements on Labor Day, for example.) I think this race is going to be between Obama and Edwards, but this post focussed on Clinton, gave Obama short shrift, and ignored Edwards. Let the traditional media be biased toward Clinton, but let the blogs give equal time to the other top two contenders. I think Easdall's post did portray Clinton's potential foreign policy with warts and all, but we also need to see what the other candidates propose so that we may be voting for something positive and not just a negative reaction to Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 09/04/2007
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 23 fans permalink

WTF? I expect that people who have good brains should use them...and that surely are not political advisors.

Screw both of these candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 09/04/2007
- Mariel I'm a Fan of Mariel 10 fans permalink

I read through these comments and out of it I get this: We need to look more at the "other" candidates, including Edwards and Biden, and Wesley Clark who is not a candidate. The media have not given these people enough play. Please, Huffpost, give more attention to these "others".

On the Repub side, not enough attention given to "others" either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 09/04/2007
- RichardD I'm a Fan of RichardD 9 fans permalink

Who will the plutocracy (ie. the corporatists, the military-industrial complex, the basic rich folks) support? For the general populace, they have no real choice, they must choose out of only those nominees these others first select. You will know quite quickly who the 3 or 4 honored ones are by say February, and the rest will be forgotten.

America has not been a democracy for a long, long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/04/2007

So remind me why we aren't supposed to call her Bush Lite?
http://unitedagainsthillary.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/04/2007
- kentj I'm a Fan of kentj 5 fans permalink

Because Hillary isn't Bush "lite".

Hillary is "heavy" identical to Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 09/04/2007

How about including Dennis Kucinich in this article? Oh, he's not a top tier candidate. Well, I can tell you that he is the only candidate who will get us the hell out of Iraq. Clinton has already said that she would keep a contingent of soldiers in Iraq to "fight the terrorists" even though she knows that the few al Quaeda who are there will be driven out by the Iraqi's once we leave. And Obama has not come out for a complete withdrawal of our troops. But Kucinich has.

Hopefully as this occupation drags on and on and people begin to realize that neither Clinton nor Obama intend to get us completely out of Iraq, people will start paying attention to Dennis Kucinich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 09/04/2007
- lentinelia I'm a Fan of lentinelia 34 fans permalink
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I agree.
If blogs such as Huff Post and others paid attention to Kucinich the candidates with all the money and media focus might be forced to deal with his views.
They might be forced to answer questions such as:

-What evidence do you have that Iran poses a threat to the United States? What evidence is there to support the contention that they are building a deliverable nuclear weapon?

-Would you vote to stop funding the war in Iraq? If not, why not?

- If we were to withdraw our troops as quickly as possible what makes you think that it would not benefit the Iraqis? What evidence do you have that it would make things worse than the ongoing bloodbath?

I would prefer that the candidates address these kinds of questions rather than ones about their "faith" or "blackness" or "femininity".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 09/04/2007
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I would prefer that the candidates address these kinds of questions rather than ones about their "faith" or "blackness" or "femininity".

religion, race, and gender are big issues in this country, and in this world. For instance, the juxtaposition of The Mormon Mitt Romney, the Protestant Barack Obama and the Catholic Rudy Giuliani provides for a great conversation about where America is on religion, and, if say, evangelicals would vote for either one of them. Are you kidding me? That is a great discussion.

And, as long as race and gender remain conspicuous (and they will), they, and the adjoining ancillary topics, will remain relevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/04/2007
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 50 fans permalink

The biggest and most important difference between Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. and ALL of the other presidential candidates is that he has a very well informed and comprehensive world view which has been formed and honed by his many years of working intimately with world leaders and earning their respect. As the leader among Democrats on all foreign policy matters and national security issues, Senator Biden’s credentials in these areas are impeccable and unimpeachable - and wholly unmatched by any of the presidential candidates, of either party.

Senator Biden doesn’t need to rely on foreign policy advisors to shape his foreign policy agenda for him, or to tell him how to think about or react to any foreign policy issue. Of course, this is not to say that, as President, he will not have foreign policy advisors or that he will not listen to and evaluate their advice. It does mean, however, that he would be communicating with these advisors on an equal -and, bipartisan - basis and developing policy based on his extensive knowledge and leadership ability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 09/04/2007

Still debating Iraq?

You have to be kidding me.

What does that say about us Americanos?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 09/04/2007
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Since we are already stationed in Muzafarahbad in Pakistan Obama is way off track.
Obama and his backroom corporations' deals and
his push for a 600% in Ethanol production increase is way off base. Obama is not our
guy!
Who of all these candidates addresses our issues? Issues at hand that affect our daily
lifes? Here we argue about crap that has no bearing. Just who is asking the questions????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 09/04/2007
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

vippy --

You bring up a very good point -- it's who's asking the questions. I believe the answer is, those invested in the status quo.

Questions I'd like asked, for instance: Why don't we adopt Mexico's immigration laws, if our's are so unfair?

and

Why can't we de-criminalize marijuana? (I personally feel all drugs should be legal, controlled by the govenment, not Big Pharma, and taxed.)

and

Why can't we have both electric vehicles AND internal combustion engines vehicles (and I don't mean those fake-ass hybrids)? Why does it always have to be a choice made by the energy companies and the greedy Detroit execs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 09/04/2007
- lentinelia I'm a Fan of lentinelia 34 fans permalink
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Obama was correct in 2002.
So, incidently was Biden who warned at the time that the American people were not being prepared for the inevitably long occupation of Iraq. Biden voted for the enabling resolution and I have no reason to believe that Obama would not have also - had he been in the Senate at the time.

Based on his voting record as a senator - funding the war - and his support for Lieberman's re-election - Obama has revealed himself to take the politically expedient route when it really mattered.

Unfortunately, the rhetoric from both Clinton and Obama is pathetically similar on withdrawing troops.

Clinton:
There are "remaining vital national security interests in Iraq" that would require a continuing deployment of American troops. The United States's security, she said then, would be undermined if part of Iraq turned into a failed state "that serves as a Petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda."

Obama:
"I'm also acutely aware that a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by Congressional edict rather than the realities on the ground, will not undo the mistakes made by this Administration. It could compound them. It could compound them by plunging Iraq into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis." (This is Bush talk - leaving it to the "commanders in the field".)
"We must exit Iraq, but not in a way that leaves behind a security vacuum filled with terrorism, chaos, ethnic cleansing and genocide that could engulf large swaths of the Middle East and endanger America."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 09/04/2007
- lentinelia I'm a Fan of lentinelia 34 fans permalink
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Gee - Obama much taller than Clinton in picture.
I like the way she is looking up to sky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 09/04/2007
- bklynsam I'm a Fan of bklynsam 2 fans permalink

The lack of information people posting here exhibit about Barack Obama is rather frightening considering I've always expected the caliber of truth-seeking at HuffPost to be far superior to the general population

Obama spoke out strongly against the war in 2002 when it was politically dangerous politically and in the midst of a campaign, and called the results to a tee. Clinton and Edwards took the politically expedient route. Edwards, to his credit very quickly saw his error and was courageous enough to admit it frequently. Hillary on the other hand, was a cheerleader for it well into the occupation, and only changed after the polls were overwhelmingly against it.

If Obama's plan had been passed, we'd have begun withdrawl in May and would be months into it by now. To claim Obama and Clinton share similar positions or would be the same kind of president, shows a shocking lack of knowledge .

I aso wish Edwards would have been included in this comparison. While I support Obama, I have great respect for John Edwards and believe he's really being shortchanged in this election coverage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 09/04/2007
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