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Craig Bust Leads to Debate Over Bathroom Stings

September 7, 2007 01:00 PM


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Even as it becomes increasingly clear that Idaho Sen. Larry Craig will resign following his arrest for allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover police officer in a Minneapolis airport bathroom, some critics are wondering whether decoy operations like the kind that ensnared the three-term GOP senator are an effective use of police resources.

Attorneys and civil liberties groups say they have long sought to dissuade law enforcement officials from using such tactics because they can unfairly target gay men, and often skate a fine line between policing and entrapment.

And while few believe that police should allow lewd behavior in parks and restrooms, critics also insist that there are more effective ways of deterring men from "cruising" or looking for sex in public places.

"The fundamental problem is that a sting isn't calculated to stop the activity," said Matt Coles, director of the Lesbian and Gay Rights Project at the American Civil Liberties Union. "Are you trying to stop people from cruising, or are you trying to arrest a lot of people?"

Law enforcement agencies that use undercover stings are reluctant to discuss how many officers are assigned to such operations or how much money is spent.

A spokeswoman for the Minneapolis Airports Commission said the airport police -- who have arrested 41 people since May in public indecency cases - could not discuss resources devoted to bathroom stings because providing such information "could compromise their ability to perform their duties."

But attorneys say that many departments have stopped using decoys because of questions raised about fairness and police priorities.

In West Hollywood, Calif., a city with one of the nation's largest concentrations of gay men and lesbians, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department agreed to stop conducting undercover stings after complaints from residents and activists.

"You've got a better use of your time and police resources," said Mayor John J. Duran, who as an attorney has also represented numerous clients caught up in such stings.

Lt. Amelia Huffman, a spokeswoman for the Minneapolis Police Department - which does not patrol the airport - agreed.

"The cost benefit doesn't play out," Huffman said. "These are misdemeanor crimes, by and large. While they are certainly troubling, and we want to be responsive to complaints, investing a lot in decoy operations just doesn't make sense."

Many opposed to police stings say they raise questions about selective prosecution of gay men.

Duran said police departments usually deploy attractive male officers who have been trained to have men hit on them inside bathrooms and parks. The officers often participate in the rituals and gestures associated with cruising - such as looking suggestively at a suspect or rubbing one's crotch.

Such actions cause some to wonder whether sting operations are "honey traps" that can entice some men into flirting back.

"If you put an attractive female officer in a public place and she walked up suggestively to a straight man, the public would cry out 'that's not right!'" Duran said.

Craig was arrested in June after an undercover Minneapolis Airport Police sergeant said he observed the senator tapping his foot and waving his hand underneath a bathroom stall divider - signals which some officials say are common among men cruising for sex.

He pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of disorderly conduct and interference with privacy. Craig has since said he will try to reverse his guilty pleas.

According to the arrest report, at no point did Craig expose himself to the undercover officer, and no words were exchanged.

A transcript of Craig's post-arrest interview reveals the sort of fuzzy line that police officers sometimes walk when pursuing these cases.

"You shouldn't be out to entrap people," Craig told Sgt. Dave Karsnia.

Jon Davidson, legal director at Lambda Legal, the gay and lesbian public advocacy law group, said that it is very difficult to prove entrapment because a defendant has to show that it was the undercover officer's idea to commit a crime, and it was something they were not ready and willing to do before the officer induced them.

"If the police leave a car with the keys in it and running, and the doors open, and someone gets in the car and steals it, that is not entrapment," Davidson said.

Nevertheless, he said there are much cheaper ways to prevent cruising in public areas.

"If they were only interested in deterring conduct they would put up signs that said "this bathroom is patrolled," Davidson said. "Most men engaging in this behavior are not interested in being walked in on."

Davidson said often these stings are often a way for police to increase their arrest statistics because men cruising for sex make for easy collars, they are usually not hardened criminals and they generally don't put up a fight.

In Atlanta, police realized they had a problem in their airport bathrooms earlier this year when plainclothes officers looking for luggage thieves stumbled upon a different sort of problem in the stalls.

Maj. Darryl Tolleson, who commands the Airport Precinct of the Atlanta Police Department, said his officers have arrested 46 people so far this year for public indecency. But he said that regular patrols of the bathrooms have kept the situation in check.

"At this point I haven't seen the need to stage an officer in there," Tolleson said.

And although he acknowledged that some might say that police at airports should focus on homeland security rather than toe-tapping in restroom stalls, Tolleson said preventing public indecency was equally important.

"All crime is crime at the airport," he said.

--Max Follmer is a Staff Writer at The Huffington Post. He can be reached at max@huffingtonpost.com

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Rather than raping women and children, wouldn't it be better if more men engaged in more bathroom sex with one another?


Sara Rich reports that her daughter Suzanne Swift couldn"t


"handle another deployment, dealing with the daily hour-to-hour sexual harassment that she endured from 99% of her male officers and fellow soldiers. The isolation and fear of being attacked, harassed, molested and raped was a huge part of her life in Iraq. She was always full of anxiety and stress just keeping herself safe when her commanding officers would show up banging on her door in the middle of the night, intoxicated and wanting to have sex with her. The intimidation and sexual harassment that our female soldiers are enduring is leading to massive stress and in some cases even death for our military women in Iraq."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090707A.shtml

--Sara Rich, "A Moment of Silence Is Not Enough"


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 09/08/2007

What amazes me is our media will run stories of Abu Gharaib 24/7 although these stories are certain to hurt America and endager it's troops. The media will run stories condemning Gitmo as a gulag and tell fabrications of Korans flushed down the toilet. Daily stories of failures in Iraq and dead US soldiers are the norm.
For some reason the story of all of our female military members being constantly harassed and raped is never told except by fringe elements of the blogosphere. Is it because these stories are not the normal life of our women in uniform?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 09/08/2007


1will

Judging from what I've heard from female veterans, it is, in fact, the normal life of female troops sent to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Probably the reason the news is suppressed is that the Pentagon has infiltrated the blogosphere.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 09/08/2007

I commend you for trying to bring attention to what looks to be a horrible situation that our female soldiers are enduring in Iraq. However, your obvious hatred of men will undermine your credibility and ultimately move the focus away from your intended target. Have you talked to your Congressman? It may also do some good to email members of the media who you think might be sympathetic to your cause. I don't think that trying to hijack a discussion about Larry Craig will do much for your cause, but you look cute when you're all fired up like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 09/08/2007


weedhighbuckeye

You're listed as a "fan" of mine. Better go back and correct it. You must have hit the "fan" button by mistake.

Do you mean to say you feel there hasn't been enough discussion about Larry Craig? You feel one man seeking bathroom sex is more important than the well-being of female troops? And here I thought guys like you wanted girls and women to carry out your wars!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 09/08/2007

Man-on-man sex is good for society


It's hard to think of a better outlet for excessive male sexuality than for males to get it from each other. Do you want a blow job? Why not get it free from another guy? Do you want to insert your penis? "Holes" are the same, regardless of the owner's gender. With another guy, all you have to do is switch positions and you're BOTH good to go! Do you like rape and violence? Don't be a bully--Pick on someone your own size!

Go ahead and have sex with each other in public bathrooms--or anyplace else--all you want. This is an excellent way to alleviate prostitution, pornography, baby-raping, sex trafficking and all forms of sexual violence.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 09/08/2007

Check out the latest rant by Coulter:

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
in defense of Craig.

And this coming from the woman who uttered 'fa##ot' when referring to Edwards.

I can't believe this woman has any followers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 09/08/2007

Get out of jail card????????????? Check Drudge.com ( 2049 PDST 9/7/07) for news article re Constitutional prohibition - arresting members of Congress. WOW!!!!!

Section 6. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

Did Larry "Breach the Peace?" Hmmmmmm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 09/07/2007

we all know bathroom stings are like the internet stings, they are all a form of entrapement. the reason why they plead guilty is b/c they are embarrassed and they got caught

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 09/07/2007

more defense of gay sex in public restrooms. the best deterrent for that sort of thing is to publish the mugshot with a detailed explanation of the charge in the local paper and the internet, letters sent to employers, employees, and an official designation a sexual predator. that should make it safe to go into a public restroom or stroll in a park without a chance of encountering these deviants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 09/07/2007

Enforcing laws against public sexual conduct is not a gay or straight issue. Neither is it s left or right issue. It is an issue of common decency and civility. I am neither a homophobe or a right-wing hypocrite (In fact, I'm a liberal with several gay friends) if I want to protect myself and my two children from any kind of public display of sexual acts between any two people, especially when they are in a vulnerable setting like a public bathroom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 09/07/2007

You apologists are freaking me out. Are there really that many of you who think there's nothing wrong with trying to get sex from strangers in public restrooms? Sheesh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 09/07/2007
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What about the case of someone with PARKINSON
TREMORS in the legs? What about someone listening to their IPOD and keeping the tempo with their foot. What about someone with active leg syndrome which is common enough medication is advertised on CNN? What about someone who is constipated and gets a painful leg cramp they are trying to escape? and on and on. MINNESOTA is obviously a TRAP INTO WHICH THE INNOCENT CAN BE
dragged
to
jail and be forced to
pay
money or else

THIS IS AIRPORT ROBBERY PLAIN AND CLEAR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 09/07/2007

What a giant load of crap. Craig gave more signals than just tapping a foot. Parkinson's does not make you run your hands under the stalls and peak through the cracks at your neighbor.
It's sounds like you have all your excuses made for when they catch you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 09/08/2007
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OBVIOUSLY its quite intelligent to refer to profound demonstration of the legal complexity of the case at hand as a 'LOAD OF CRAP'. What law school did this deeply reasoned reply come from, the law school of those without an ability to read an argument and deal with the LOGIC and the POINT BEING MADE. THE POLICE OFFICIER in the STALL WERE HE SUBJECT OT CROSS EXAMINATION would fall apart as someone completely in the dark, and that seems totally obvious. PERHAPS THE GREAT COMMENTATOR 1WILL IS CONFUSING THE OFFICIER IN THE STALL with an air traffic controller who has electronic extensions on the basis of which he can read the facts about what is going on in the air.
The officier had no such tools to judge what was going on inthe stall next door, which was the point of the original comment, which by the way is the very very very one in this entire thread. 1WILL SHOULD REFRAIN from attempting to participate in intelligent discourse until first taking a basic course in EPISTEMOLOGY AND THEN A FURTHUR COURSE IN ETHICS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/08/2007

Now Craig's legal defense is that he should not have been caught because the arresting officer should have been elsewhere. Typical Republican. "Sure I did it, but look over there."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 09/07/2007

The only way the word "pervert" applies here is the horrible destructive hypocrisy of this man's whole political career. As for changing the law, I remember when some of the repugs wanted to stop the Page Program because Foley was hitting on them. That's like putting women in burkas so men won't be tempted.
Men should be required to (pardon the puns) get a grip on their penises. Learn how to handle them. Your penis is your problem; shouldn't be anyone else's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 09/07/2007

Don't forget that this entrapment business leads to police corruption -- In sex cases, cops lie with practiced ease and who's going to fly back to Minneapolis to challenge them? -- Police no longer entrap at LAX because the city has a long history of lying cops ruining the lives of the innocent, and also the "guilty" -- Let's face it: sex is here to stay, and even the most conservative will find a way to do it --

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 09/07/2007

So, what did Craig do that was indecent?
If guys pick each other up in mens bathrooms... does that mean they have sex there too?
Catching people having sex in a public restroom... that'd be offensive to me if I walked in on it... so I guess that's "indecent".
I guess Craig was arrested thinking indecent thoughts then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 09/07/2007

I dont know anyone debating bathroom stings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 09/07/2007

So we should all question the use of police resources because this sting caught a wealthy, conservative elite? You have got to be kidding! The author quotes someone as asking "Is the point to deter sex in public restrooms or just to arrest people". I guess we could ask the same thing about prostitution stings and drug stings and hired killer stings....

Seriously, if it were a Mexican janitor and not a wealthy white guy nobody would care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 09/07/2007

If you were a Mexican janitor, you would probably have free health care, welfare, food stamps and all kinds of other stuff that an American janitor does not have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 09/07/2007

OK you just played your cards ..... seeesh what a dumb thing to say. Good luck to the kids .... teaching them bigotry AND that poor people of different races should be left to die in your own backyard if they can't PAYUP when they get sick. Quit hating and start solving REAL problems .... get off the computer and spend time with the kids!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 09/07/2007
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Good point. De-criminalize drugs, and legalize (and monitor) prostitution like they do in Nevada. I think we should keep the hired killer stings, though I've never read about them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 09/07/2007
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