Frustration Over Iraq Could Lead to Dem Primary Challenges

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First Posted: 09- 7-07 11:01 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Anti-war forces, angered over Congressional failure to bring an end to the Iraq war, are gearing up to run primary challenges against Democratic incumbents who support the Bush administration.

Frustration with the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate reached new heights with the appearance of stories describing Democrats' growing willingness to compromise on Iraq legislation, including "Democrats Retreat On War End" in The Politico and "Democrats Newly Willing to Compromise on Iraq" in the New York Times.

MoveOn, which spent a total of $28.1 million in the 2005-6 election cycle, sent out a survey to its 3.3 million members noting:

"Hundreds of thousands of us worked to get Democratic majorities elected. So why don't they have the votes? One reason is that there are a set of weak Democrats who side with the president--especially on Iraq. They're too scared to fight for what's right and what they were elected to fight for.

"This fall, we face a pivotal series of votes on Iraq--votes that, if we win, could spell the end of the Iraq war. MoveOn members have made phone calls. We've held town meetings. We've run ads and written letters to the editor. But now, given this big moment, we have an important decision to make together."

The email, signed by "Nita, Eli, Justin, Jennifer and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team," posed the following question:

"Should we support primary challengers against some Democrats?.... It's a tough question, and one we need everybody's input on." Members were given a link where they were asked not only whether they would support Democratic primary challengers, but whether they would be willing to give money to such a campaign, and how much

A House Democratic leadership aide told the Huffington Post, "We understand their frustration, but we need to elect more Democrats in order to affect real change on Iraq." Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking? All this is going to do is increase the possibility of electing more Republicans. Instead of going after Democrats, they should be focusing their efforts on pressuring Republicans to break with the president.

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In private, many in the House and Senate leadership contend that if more liberal candidates defeat incumbent conservative and centrist Democrats in primaries, many of them representing Southern and Midwestern constituencies, the chances of a Republican victory in the general election sharply increase.

The MoveOn survey comes on the heels of the anti-"Bush Dog" campaign on the Open Left website created by Chris Bowers, Matt Stoller and Mike Lux.

The "Bush Dogs" -- a play on the "Blue Dog" Democrats, a caucus of center-conservative Democrats -- is made up of the 39 House Democrats who voted on May 24 in favor of the Iraq emergency supplemental appropriation and on August 4 in favor of the "Protect America Act" expanding the administration's power to use warrantless wiretaps.

Stoller described the Bush Dogs as "Southern white dudes." He argued that "these members are not voting their districts, they are just conservatives....Bush Dog Democrats are dragging down the rest of the party. According to Zogby, 80% of Democrats disapprove of the job that Congress is doing."

Bowers suggested that Bush Dog Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.) is an ideal candidate to target in a primary challenge.

Lipinski's district is overwhelmingly Democratic, with 59 percent support for John Kerry, "in absolutely no danger of falling into Republican hands;" Lipinski is "staunchly anti-choice;" and "he also is below average for a Democrat on immigration, gets a big fat zero from Progressive Punch on GLBT issues, and only a 50 percent score from the Drum Major Institute on progressive family issues. Basically, he sucks at just about everything."

An anti-war challenger strategy poses both risks and rewards.

Many members of Congress, including some adamantly opposed to the war, argue that primary challenges improve prospects for Republicans in the general election, and threaten defections from swing voters worried that liberal interest groups have excessive influence in the Democratic Party.

Conversely, proponents argue it could boost the energy and commitment of activists who helped produce the 2006 election successes; pressure Democratic incumbents to cast anti-war votes; and, in the long run, prove that a Democratic-led Congress can take on a Republican administration.

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Although I agree with your assessment of our Democratic coward-strategists, how wise would it be to split votes possible, thus serving as spoilers and guaranteeing Republican wins? Democrats, God knows, are disgustingly inadequate, but Republicans are easily a thousand times worse. It’s nauseating, I know, to kowtow to that well-established activity of “voting for the lesser of evils”, but there are realities in life that, unpleasant as they may be, must be considered. A Republican majority could very well mean the continued and rapid demise of our nation as a worthy country that threatens neither its own population nor the rest of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 09/07/2007
- bethinCary I'm a Fan of bethinCary 9 fans permalink

GET RID OF THE BLUE DOGS.

Do not let these people drag the party down.
they either vote party lines or are gonna get targetted for primarying.

Attention Blue Dogs: The public IS paying CLOSE attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/07/2007
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Damn good idea, kick out the yellow-bellied spineless fence straddlers, if they haven’t gotten the message we sent in the midterm elections they never will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 09/07/2007
- jlxn I'm a Fan of jlxn 2 fans permalink

So much whining, crying and blaming by the Liberal Democrats here. It really makes me ashamed to be a Liberal Democrat.

Apparently, you have no idea how this makes you all look like just a bunch of pathetic losers. If you did, you would just stop and get behind your elected Representatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/07/2007
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tap tap tap

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 09/07/2007
- Eoin45 I'm a Fan of Eoin45 44 fans permalink

I'd prefer that my elected representatives get behind me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 09/07/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

Members of CONGRESS of both Parties,


America is ENDING the Iraq War....with or without YOU.


that clear enough for you policy-wonking-triangulators?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 09/07/2007

The abuse of the Patriot Act, wiretapping, and oops wrong numbers gleaned by our nation's FBI,all those critically timed Congressional office evacuations in D.C. where literally everything was left exposed including critical files as folks ran in warranted fear of their lives rendered untold goodies.
Use your noodles. Serious amounts of Anthrax affected only news agencies, random citizens, and post offices, while Congress and the Supreme Court got small trace amounts. To date they have no memorial. NO KILLER(S) CAUGHT despite no inventory audit of Camp Dietrich since it's the nation's depository of military lethal pathogens.
The Saturday prior to the Janury 2007 Senate convening EVERYONE MISSED THE TIMED ANNOUCEMENT SENATOR REID WAS UNDER AN INVESTIGATION DEATAIL THAT NEVER DISCLOSED SUCH THAT the first day of Senate business he commited the biggest parliamentary blunder rendering back to the GOP power it has used since to OBSTRUCT THE DEMS ANNOUNCED PLANS.

MS PELOSI, WINE VINEYARDS owner SUBJECT TO AN ILLEGAL ALIEN RAID BY AG GONZALES that would anger AMERICA DEMANDing SECURED BORDERS, REJECTING BUSH/FOX/CARDOZA'S PLAN FOR A NORTH AMERICAN UNION ON STEROIDS FOR 8 YRS requiring MEXICAN EXPAT WOMEN OF ALL AGES birthing ANCHOR BABIES in a step stair fashion in key states.

Compromised DNC leaders failed to relinquish leadership roles to their whips ensuring the advancement of America's 2006 agenda.

Recall every foreign leader opposing Bush's pre-emption of Iraq with their nation's support followed by the alacrity of scandals resulting in their downfall aid by financed intelligance smut for their opposition candidate following national economic catastrophes.
Intellectuals were viciously rebuffed: DNC members demanding protective troop gear,Shinzecki,Hart,Powell,2001 debriefing intelligence experts,PDB preparers amdist fealty government experts scourges replaced by Johnny Appleseed Bushies enforcing executive conjectured directives.
America and Congress besieged under quasi- police state where outting a honed nuclear expert spy like Plame, CIA human assets dispensable as TP,fluent Farci- Arabic linguists redirected from Afghanistan to Iraq faiing to behead the cobra bin Laden leaving its scales (followers) to rot from its body awaiting eventual capture.

That is the rest of the story

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/07/2007
- beerguy I'm a Fan of beerguy 16 fans permalink

It's so much fun watching you nutroots get your panties in a wad. You think most of the country is inline with your extreme views, which is not the case. Go ahead and keep thinking that way though since it gives us on the right the advantage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 09/07/2007
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 52 fans permalink
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Have another beer dumbass. You are about as articulate as the Decider.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/07/2007
- beerguy I'm a Fan of beerguy 16 fans permalink

Such an intellectual response. About what I expected from a nutroot,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 09/07/2007
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Its about the level you deserve. All you do is spout the same dead ass talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 09/07/2007
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 73 fans permalink
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beerguy? nutroot?

Yes, someone is lacking intellect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 09/07/2007
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What Extreme views? Thinking bush is a looser? Wanting us out of Iraq? SOLID majorities support these views. So DEFINE TER EXTREME VIEWS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 09/07/2007

Such as when the SOLID MAJORITY thought that Reagan was going to cause WWIII?

THAT solid majority?

The VAST majority does not want America TO LOSE any war. Take that to the bank.

If we LOSE this war it will be because of Democrats and Liberals.

Those extreme views.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 09/07/2007

We have to throw them all out.

Better yet, run them all out of DC on a rail.

I'm serious.

It time to end the era of snake oil and snake charming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 09/07/2007

This Congress is The Worst in American History and will be our ruin just as Bush will..when he attacks Iran and turns the whole world totally against us..!

IMPEACHMENT was our only hope for salvation..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 09/07/2007
- Praedor I'm a Fan of Praedor 6 fans permalink
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Country before party. Constitution before country.

The Democraps are NOT representing the people that put them in their positions, in fact, they are clearly ignoring them...with disdain. They fill seats that belong to us, NOT to them. It is time to start showing them who really runs the show and the only way to do that is to yank some fat, bloated, over-privileged, criminal butts out of some overly comfortable seats in Congress. There can be no substitute to FORCING Congressional compliance to the People's will.

Pelosi herself needs a primary challenge, as does Reid, for their abject criminal failure to faithfully represent the people that OWN their seats and their failures to live up the obligations of their oath to the Constitution. ALL Democrats that voted for the Iraq supplemental, the Patriot Act, the MCA ALL need a primary challenge. They are doing nothing to end the illegal war in Iraq and everything they can to prolong it. I smell war profiteering.

Remove the lot of them. Damn the "consequences". Their whining about the threat of primary challenges is NOT about their fear of being unable to do the right thing by the Constitution, it is ONLY about their fear of losing their seat at the lobbyist feeding trough. ENOUGH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 09/07/2007

Just heard Rush talking about America being the greatest nation on earth and how liberals hate America.

1. No liberal has ever said they hate America.

2. America is the greatest nation on earth no question about it.

3. However, being the greatest nation on earth does come with certain responsibilities. Like not attacking another nation based on hearsay evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 09/07/2007
- beerguy I'm a Fan of beerguy 16 fans permalink

So why did the militant Islamics attack us? Like your name by the way

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 09/07/2007
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1. Unconditional support for Isreal
2.American Troops in Saudi Arabia (Mecca)
3.Helping to oppress the Palestinians

Really. The are quite clear about their motives. Where have you been hiding that you don't know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 09/07/2007

I'll take issue with number one. Actions speak far louder than words. The old saying goes, "Your actions are speaking so loud that I can't hear what you're saying."

Liberals don't need to SAY they hate America, their actions speak for them entirely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 09/07/2007
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Specifically what action are those? List some.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 09/07/2007

You are a pathetic, racist SOB. Thank you for exemplifying the sort of white person I was talking about...I said "racist dumbass" and you came a-hollering. I don't think I need to beat a dead horse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

That's nonsense and you know it.

And at any rate you have labeled as "liberal" everyone who doesn't agree with you. I do not consider myself a liberal, but a progressive. There is a difference, but the nuance can only be lost on anyone who believes, "You're either with us or you're against us."

Finally, I don't think "conservatives" hate America. I think they love their idea of "America" but do not value the people who comprise America or the world that gives America a space in which to exist.

It is, as I said in an earlier post, the difference between self-interest and enlightened self-interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 09/08/2007
- caferide I'm a Fan of caferide 8 fans permalink
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I'm ashamed of Rep. Melissa Bean from Illinois. As a Chicagoan, I gave Ms. Bean monetary support for her campaign. She now appears to be much more conservative than she sold herself to be. I regret supporting her candidacy and have written to her office to express my displeasure. Further, I will give my future monetary support to her primary challenger who should be more progressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 09/07/2007
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 52 fans permalink
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My same experience with my senator Dianne Feinstein. I will NEVER vote for her again. She betrayed all of our principles with her latest vote to give even more power to Bush to spy on Americans. We cannot support these people, but spend our time and energy finding a progressive candidate to replace the candidate. Nobody wants to put any Republicans into office. It must be well thought out and organized. They need to know their positions are at risk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 09/07/2007

"I regret supporting [Melissa Bean's] candidacy and have written to her office to express my displeasure."

Like you, I was also misled into supporting Mellissa Bean, a nominal Democrat.

I will never vote for another Republican. Never. Even if the Wall-street people bring back another 70's style recession and the Democrats were to bring back Jimmy Carter, I would not vote for a Republican. Even if the Democrats were able to bring back LBJ, I would not do so.

ATTENTION Mellissa Bean and other Democrat candidates:

This no longer means that I will automatically vote for any of you.

I will never vote for another Republican, but I will not vote for a Democrat who allows this Iraq occupation to continue. If a Democrat challenger is sincere about ending the occupation and restoring Constituional democracy in this country with all of its checks and balances, I'll enthusistically give that candidate my support.

Don't count on my automatic vote for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 09/08/2007
- mari2JJ I'm a Fan of mari2JJ 39 fans permalink

Ahh, a plan that makes sense. It is not possible for us to unvote the sort of Democrat who shows very little difference between them and Republicans. But we can give some money to help in the selection process in states that have Republican light in office now..
Only then can we whine if the Democrats do not get the job done. Great idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 09/07/2007
- Zeje I'm a Fan of Zeje 9 fans permalink

If the Democrats can't impeach Cheney-Bush, the Democrats can't do anything. Why vote for the do-nothing Democrats?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 09/07/2007

Because voting for a Republican is worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

Sorry, that won't work anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 09/08/2007
- Justis I'm a Fan of Justis 2 fans permalink

I'm surprised people are even debating this.
Of course there should be primary challenges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 09/07/2007
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