Frustration Over Iraq Could Lead to Dem Primary Challenges

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First Posted: 09- 7-07 11:01 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Anti-war forces, angered over Congressional failure to bring an end to the Iraq war, are gearing up to run primary challenges against Democratic incumbents who support the Bush administration.

Frustration with the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate reached new heights with the appearance of stories describing Democrats' growing willingness to compromise on Iraq legislation, including "Democrats Retreat On War End" in The Politico and "Democrats Newly Willing to Compromise on Iraq" in the New York Times.

MoveOn, which spent a total of $28.1 million in the 2005-6 election cycle, sent out a survey to its 3.3 million members noting:

"Hundreds of thousands of us worked to get Democratic majorities elected. So why don't they have the votes? One reason is that there are a set of weak Democrats who side with the president--especially on Iraq. They're too scared to fight for what's right and what they were elected to fight for.

"This fall, we face a pivotal series of votes on Iraq--votes that, if we win, could spell the end of the Iraq war. MoveOn members have made phone calls. We've held town meetings. We've run ads and written letters to the editor. But now, given this big moment, we have an important decision to make together."

The email, signed by "Nita, Eli, Justin, Jennifer and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team," posed the following question:

"Should we support primary challengers against some Democrats?.... It's a tough question, and one we need everybody's input on." Members were given a link where they were asked not only whether they would support Democratic primary challengers, but whether they would be willing to give money to such a campaign, and how much

A House Democratic leadership aide told the Huffington Post, "We understand their frustration, but we need to elect more Democrats in order to affect real change on Iraq." Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking? All this is going to do is increase the possibility of electing more Republicans. Instead of going after Democrats, they should be focusing their efforts on pressuring Republicans to break with the president.

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In private, many in the House and Senate leadership contend that if more liberal candidates defeat incumbent conservative and centrist Democrats in primaries, many of them representing Southern and Midwestern constituencies, the chances of a Republican victory in the general election sharply increase.

The MoveOn survey comes on the heels of the anti-"Bush Dog" campaign on the Open Left website created by Chris Bowers, Matt Stoller and Mike Lux.

The "Bush Dogs" -- a play on the "Blue Dog" Democrats, a caucus of center-conservative Democrats -- is made up of the 39 House Democrats who voted on May 24 in favor of the Iraq emergency supplemental appropriation and on August 4 in favor of the "Protect America Act" expanding the administration's power to use warrantless wiretaps.

Stoller described the Bush Dogs as "Southern white dudes." He argued that "these members are not voting their districts, they are just conservatives....Bush Dog Democrats are dragging down the rest of the party. According to Zogby, 80% of Democrats disapprove of the job that Congress is doing."

Bowers suggested that Bush Dog Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.) is an ideal candidate to target in a primary challenge.

Lipinski's district is overwhelmingly Democratic, with 59 percent support for John Kerry, "in absolutely no danger of falling into Republican hands;" Lipinski is "staunchly anti-choice;" and "he also is below average for a Democrat on immigration, gets a big fat zero from Progressive Punch on GLBT issues, and only a 50 percent score from the Drum Major Institute on progressive family issues. Basically, he sucks at just about everything."

An anti-war challenger strategy poses both risks and rewards.

Many members of Congress, including some adamantly opposed to the war, argue that primary challenges improve prospects for Republicans in the general election, and threaten defections from swing voters worried that liberal interest groups have excessive influence in the Democratic Party.

Conversely, proponents argue it could boost the energy and commitment of activists who helped produce the 2006 election successes; pressure Democratic incumbents to cast anti-war votes; and, in the long run, prove that a Democratic-led Congress can take on a Republican administration.

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What gives the very obvious lie to the Dog Dems' whining claim that they "don't have enough votes" is that so many of them continue to support the President anyway. Are the Dogs saying they'd change their votes if more Dems were elected? Talk about a load of obfuscatory crap!

So what if you don't have enough votes to overturn a veto? At least you'll have voted for your principles (assuming you have any) and the voters will know you stand for something other than the status quo.

That old saw about "helping the Republicans" by voting against a Dem incumbent in a primary is just so tired. Probably, like Lieberman, a bunch of those losers would run as independents if they lost their primaries, or switch parties outright. And they (I mean the Dogs) would be the ones helping the Republicans, not the voters who are sick and tired of broken promises, and endless betrayals of trust.

I would rather have thirty Democratic Senators whom I can count on than fifty-one, half of whom are as much in the pockets of the corporations as are the Repubs. Win or lose the battle, at least we'd know whom we're voting for and why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 09/07/2007
- MSB I'm a Fan of MSB 45 fans permalink
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I agree with you so much. The parties (like it or not) are about branding. If not corporate dollars, what are the "democrats" actually for? They have made virtually no effort to repeal the most egregious provisions of Habeus Corpus or FISA or NAFTA or The Telecommunications Act or the war or.... and on and on. It doesn't matter if their ideas pass or not right now if they are good ideas. Over time they need to sell the brand. They need to show what they are about. They are in a war of ideas.

In a war of ideas, if the democrats are nothing more than corporatists that want the working poor to make a dollar more an hour (not enough to make any real difference), what good are they? If they will never make significant changes how are they better than Republicans? The enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend. Just ask Khaddafi or Bin Laden or Saddam or Noriega or Pinochet, etc.. etc...

If we want change, perhaps it is time to stop placating the do nothing Democrats. They are not riding to the rescue until they break with the status quo and until they aren't rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 09/07/2007

Many of the so called centerists (among them apparently Mrs. Clinton) have tried valiantly to turn the Democratic party into a derivative of the Republicans. This, while unfortunate is a predictable outcome of the corpratization of our political processes. I for one am not going to vote in the next election for a derivative candidate. I did last time. We've had enough of the militarists/corpratists/lobbyists. It is time for the Democrats to nominate Democrats, not derivatives of the Republicans. Power for its own sake is exactly what got us where we are. The concept of noblis oblege seems to be alive and well in both parties. What a crock. Giordano

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/07/2007

Bush was never interested in safety or democracy or freedom or anything like that...but I guess all you stupid-ass white folks who voted for him twice have figured THAT out by now. You won't admit it, but you know who you are. I hope your all satisfied. Some of you have dead family because of listening to lies about your safety, without questioning or investigating the reason. Still more of you have lost your savings or your home, because you listened to more lies about getting rich quick. Most of you are losing your freedoms and having your phone calls tapped because you're racist enough to believe the asshole-in-chief when, in coded speak, he promised you he's put the presitge back into being white. To seal the deal, you elected another pack of lying racists to Congress, who stole your money and made fools of you. You let a lot of racist, homophobic jackleg preachers hoodwink you and tell you what you wanted to hear, and they bamboozled you. The sad fact is, the people that were telling you the truth were the folks you were shouting down, because you did'nt like what they were saying about inclusion, and equality, and questioning your leaders. Well here you are...you're poorer, you're less free, and you're the laughing stock of the planet,all because you let someone who did'nt even pass college, hoodwink you about keeping your white privilege, and he even took that. And to top it off, you let the dumbest and most racist of you, let you do your talking. You made a media industry of racism, sexism, and homophobia. And since all you white dumbasses don't have the guts to blame yourselves and take your lumps, you blame the ones you shouted down, and look to the ones who rooked you in the first place, to make it right. I wonder if you know how ridiculous you look to the minorities of the world. And I wonder how you'll decide to get yourselves out of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/07/2007

Wow. What it must be like to wake up and be YOU in the morning. You should do yourself a favor and put yourself out of your miserable life!

I am white, middle aged, middle class, and I voted for President Bush. Twice. Given the same choices (Gore or Kerry) and given everything that has happened, I would STILL vote for Bush.

My life has done nothing but get better during the Bush administration. I have a better position at work, purchased my own home with money I had investing in the stock market (during a recession I might add), and have become a more successful memeber of society. I have lost nothing, been swindled by no one, lost NONE of my rights, and I live in a state where I am almost the minority. Just about everyone I know has a similar story to mine. We are all peace loving, environment caring, family oriented people. Most of us are Republicans. NONE of us are the whackos found on this website.

I feel so sorry for you that your life sucks so bad. Perhaps, it's you. Not the awesome country that we live in. Try living in China. They you will have something to bitch about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 09/07/2007
- Justis I'm a Fan of Justis 2 fans permalink

"I have lost nothing, been swindled by no one,..."

That only works if you view the massive Bush debt as someone else's problem. As you are a self-professed Republican, I suspect you do. Good for you!

All the "whackos" on this site, and still you keep on coming back. Nothing good on Fox?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 09/07/2007
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 55 fans permalink
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Pathetic person. You have no insight for what you have wrought upon the world with your vote. The only thing that appears to be important to you is you, your money, your success, and your own enrichment. Our country is down the toilet thanks to minds like yours. And you are too stupid to even see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

I see. As long as we're better off here than in China, Bush can do anything he wants?

For a middle aged white guy, Warmark, you have a short memory. Go back and compare the S&P 500's compound annual return under Carter to that under Bush. I'm afraid the comparison is not very flattering to our MBA president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 09/07/2007
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Yeah right, you are part of the 20% are actually benefiting from the present economy SO FAR, but an awful lot of people used to be where you are, and frankly there is no guarantee you will stay there. But conservatives NEVER learn their lesson until the truck runs over them personally. Frankly if after all we've been through the past 8 years if you would still vote for Bush again you are HOPELESS and would better spend your time on Redstate or Free republic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 09/07/2007

You know what, Warmark...I know my posting got to you, bacause you just HAD to refurt it. Money's like sex, white man. The people that have a lot, don't brag about it.

I must have really struck a nerve huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 09/07/2007
- Gonzalez I'm a Fan of Gonzalez 3 fans permalink

Being a liberal all of my life, I can't stand the bunch of democrats who haven't got the cojones to stand up to the republicans. I hope there are still some liberals out there with common sense and some guts to get us in the right path. I just can't believe how weak these idiots are!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 09/07/2007

Just goes to show how insane the left wing of the Democratic party is that they would work to get rid of the only reasonably intelligent representatives the party has.

Simply amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

Reasonable intelligence is in the mind of the beholder. I prefer my intelligence without lot of unnecessary killing and with the customary Constitutional rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 09/07/2007

Wow. I may, perhaps, have found someone on this site with a brain attached.

"Unnecessary killing". Interesting choice of words. You admit then, there is a time for "necessary killing". This goes against the grain here, you realize.

I base resonable intelligence on a persons decision making skills and their ability to see and admit what is real and unidealistic.

There are no "customary constitutional rights". If a person in this country really understood how meaningless the word "rights" is, they would change their opinion quickly. A persons "right" is only protected as long as we have freedom and people who will step up and defend those rights. I suggest people on this site go live in China for a little while before they talk about how Pressident Bush is "taking away" their "rights". Try speaking out after your tongue is removed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/07/2007
- Bocababs I'm a Fan of Bocababs 19 fans permalink

This is an interesting article on finding Dems who support getting out of Iraq. I will be curious as time moves on to see if this movement has "legs".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/07/2007
- fulano I'm a Fan of fulano 3 fans permalink

We need to organize a "working peoples" party based on real solid "democratic ideals" and conservation of our planet. First we have to get rid of those in power now ,Democrats or Republcans if they refuse to represent "all the people". But these "powers that be" will not give up easily and since they control the traditional media, so much bullshit will be coming down we'll need umbrellas to deflect it.
And as the famous "V.I.Lenin" said so correctly many years ago "it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes".
Are all we "progressive's" going to feel vindicated if we end up with a Democrat like a Joe Lieberman (or one of his ruling class clones) in office?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/07/2007

You mean...Like a SOCIALIST candidate? WOW what a great Republican idea!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

Ever heard of populism, or did you just skip over William Jennings Bryan en route to the boogeyman Lenin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 09/07/2007
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I'm just amazed that there are people here defending these "democrats."

What is the point of electing folks that only speak out when it is 100% safe to do so? Talk about gutless. Talk about no passion or conviction. What is the point? Who do they represent?

I'm really pissed off and I want some "representative" to act and vote as if they are too. If they don't have my back I sure as hell don't have theirs.

Go ask for money from the moronic middle you so frequently cite. The "middle" that doesn't exist. (Nor does it apparently read)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

Very little is within our control as individual citizens. It's frustrating. I have dealt with my own frustration by controlling those things I can control:

1) After 35 years, I changed my voter registration from D to I. Felt great!

2) I made contributions to the ACLU, impeachbush.org, and progressivepatriotsfund.org.

3) I yell at any Dem fundraiser stupid enough to call me asking for more money.

4) I'll be in DC on the 15th to express my displeasure not only with Bush but with his Democratic enablers.

Do what you can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 09/07/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 668 fans permalink
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You are a great American, not the phony Hannity type great American,but the real deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 09/07/2007
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I am tending to agree with you. My wife and I have been talking of re-registering as Independent. I am sick of being disregarded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 09/07/2007
- flatus I'm a Fan of flatus 37 fans permalink
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Term limits, ya silly bastids. Term limits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 09/07/2007
- 957 I'm a Fan of 957 17 fans permalink

That is great news. The democrates are doing all they can to screw up their chances to be the top dog, all of them are sounding more and more like bush. Vote evey one of them out of office repug and dem alike. Both parties suck, maybe the two party system just doesn't work anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 09/07/2007

This whole Democrats sounding like Bush thing..smells like some wolf-in-sheeps-clothing RepubliKLAN BS. Why don't you people learn enough about the internet to post this crap on your own blog? Call it Reich-Ving Blogwhore.com. You can all get together, talk to each other, float all the campaign espionage crap you want, and lie the pants off each other about your real intents, candidates, and agendas. Hell, if blogwhores have their own website you might even get more money.

And you can let REAL Democrats dialogue on substantive issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/07/2007
- Eoin45 I'm a Fan of Eoin45 44 fans permalink

I'm a 62 year old real Democrat Mr. Snide. Reid, Pelosi, Shalala, et al are not Deal democrats by my definition. I can't imagine Tip O'Neill capitulating like they have. Why don't YOU take your crap somewhere else so we can dialog about how to return to our real values?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 09/07/2007

"Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking? All this is going to do is increase the possibility of electing more Republicans."

this is the Classic Conventional Wisdom and i assure you that it couldn't be more incorrect. there's a perception on the coasts and especially around the beltway that voters who lean democratic and live between the rockies and appalaichins are more conservative than their coastal counterparts.

nothing could be further from the truth.

i've spent ages as a canvasser in states like south dakota, nebraska and iowa and the democratic voters out there are just as progressive as the democratic voters with ocean views. in other words, it's a pretty mixed bag.

i also spent many years as a telefundraiser for the democrats and after speaking to democratic donors and voters all over the country it's quite clear to me that the "conventional wisdom" needs to be thrown on the same bonfire as the DLC. democrats and democratic voters all off the coasts are just as sick of washington greed and hypocracy, just as fired up against bush and the war and - perhaps most importantly - just as progressive as those of us on the coasts who worry about them switching sides.

the real risk is alienating those voters with a milquetoast message, a spaghetti-spined agenda against the war and corporate power and a race to the center-bottom.

please, don't buy into the republican spin on the states off the coasts. if you don't want to take my word for it, go out there and see for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

We have to start voting on the issues and not on the political calculus. What we have in our media-driven sound-byte politics is analogous to Plato's Objection to Art -- a copy of a copy. We need to get real and begin nominating people who stand for the right things, not those we deem "electable."

"Electability" is too often determined by people who otherwise don't care. Maybe we need to identify leaders who can make them care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/07/2007

Pelosi has to go.

She obstructs the will of the people to impeach as much as the Republicans obstruct the efforts of the Democrats to bring closure to the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

Harry Reid is more despicable still.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 09/07/2007

and who would you like instead? Newt Gingrich? Adolph Schickelgruber?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 09/07/2007
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

The hilarious thing is that you think the alternative will be better. So, if Pelosi and Reid have to go, do you honestly think that once you replace them with Boehner and McConnel, as Moveon's boneheaded Quixotic campaign is guaranteed to do, will be more or less likely to put impeachment of teh next GOP president on the table?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 09/07/2007
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

I personally wish Pelosi and Reid could be replaced now by their own caucuses, but that would require guts. Anyway, since I am no longer a Democrat, they can all do as they please.

Just don't come asking for money if you expect it to come without an opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 09/07/2007
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As I have stated before I simply do not accept this premise. If the people who voted in the Bush Dogs wanted us to stay in Iraq forever they could have voted for Repubicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/08/2007
- sheine I'm a Fan of sheine 11 fans permalink

Somebody please tell me what benefit the country has gotten from the Democratic Congress? They seem to think that the typical American is the redneck NASCAR fan. I would rather lose in 2008 than turn the country over to the Bush Dogs and DLC. We might at least have a real opposition party then while we have nothing now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 09/07/2007

Oh yeah...the Black Caucus is just FULL of those rednecks NASCAR fans...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 09/07/2007
- wijg I'm a Fan of wijg 45 fans permalink
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If the Democratic Congress will not do their job and represent the people that put them in office, it’s time for them to go! Enough of this bullshit, throw the enablers out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 09/07/2007
- PADDYWHACK I'm a Fan of PADDYWHACK 6 fans permalink

wijg,as a disaffected Republican I was crushed by the lapdog behavior of the Dems,this pantywaist strategising is only more of the same.We as a people need a robust confrontation with these bas****s.The fear of electing GOP candidates because of primary challenges is promulgated by the incumbent Dems.I who have voted GOP for 20 yrs am repulsed by the continuous stream of effluent from the WH and the mindless morons who support it.As I've said before the kid from Deliverance did good for himself,but now I recognise him.[apologies to the people of whatever state it was filmed in]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 09/07/2007
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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The Democrats, even if given a super majority in November 2008 will do nothing. It feels all tingly to us when they win but their bread is buttered just like the Republicans. People have to get over thinking that one of these parties is going to make real changes. One party has you by one testicle or ovary, the other party has you by the other ovary or testicle. When you look deep into the eyes of either you will see dollar signs. You will see logos for Exxon/Mobile. You will see death in support of greed. Perhaps, one day, they will kill us all and then their greed won't be satisfiable. Let us begin to think about turning those particular tables.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 09/07/2007
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