Frustration Over Iraq Could Lead to Dem Primary Challenges

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First Posted: 09- 7-07 11:01 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Anti-war forces, angered over Congressional failure to bring an end to the Iraq war, are gearing up to run primary challenges against Democratic incumbents who support the Bush administration.

Frustration with the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate reached new heights with the appearance of stories describing Democrats' growing willingness to compromise on Iraq legislation, including "Democrats Retreat On War End" in The Politico and "Democrats Newly Willing to Compromise on Iraq" in the New York Times.

MoveOn, which spent a total of $28.1 million in the 2005-6 election cycle, sent out a survey to its 3.3 million members noting:

"Hundreds of thousands of us worked to get Democratic majorities elected. So why don't they have the votes? One reason is that there are a set of weak Democrats who side with the president--especially on Iraq. They're too scared to fight for what's right and what they were elected to fight for.

"This fall, we face a pivotal series of votes on Iraq--votes that, if we win, could spell the end of the Iraq war. MoveOn members have made phone calls. We've held town meetings. We've run ads and written letters to the editor. But now, given this big moment, we have an important decision to make together."

The email, signed by "Nita, Eli, Justin, Jennifer and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team," posed the following question:

"Should we support primary challengers against some Democrats?.... It's a tough question, and one we need everybody's input on." Members were given a link where they were asked not only whether they would support Democratic primary challengers, but whether they would be willing to give money to such a campaign, and how much

A House Democratic leadership aide told the Huffington Post, "We understand their frustration, but we need to elect more Democrats in order to affect real change on Iraq." Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking? All this is going to do is increase the possibility of electing more Republicans. Instead of going after Democrats, they should be focusing their efforts on pressuring Republicans to break with the president.

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In private, many in the House and Senate leadership contend that if more liberal candidates defeat incumbent conservative and centrist Democrats in primaries, many of them representing Southern and Midwestern constituencies, the chances of a Republican victory in the general election sharply increase.

The MoveOn survey comes on the heels of the anti-"Bush Dog" campaign on the Open Left website created by Chris Bowers, Matt Stoller and Mike Lux.

The "Bush Dogs" -- a play on the "Blue Dog" Democrats, a caucus of center-conservative Democrats -- is made up of the 39 House Democrats who voted on May 24 in favor of the Iraq emergency supplemental appropriation and on August 4 in favor of the "Protect America Act" expanding the administration's power to use warrantless wiretaps.

Stoller described the Bush Dogs as "Southern white dudes." He argued that "these members are not voting their districts, they are just conservatives....Bush Dog Democrats are dragging down the rest of the party. According to Zogby, 80% of Democrats disapprove of the job that Congress is doing."

Bowers suggested that Bush Dog Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.) is an ideal candidate to target in a primary challenge.

Lipinski's district is overwhelmingly Democratic, with 59 percent support for John Kerry, "in absolutely no danger of falling into Republican hands;" Lipinski is "staunchly anti-choice;" and "he also is below average for a Democrat on immigration, gets a big fat zero from Progressive Punch on GLBT issues, and only a 50 percent score from the Drum Major Institute on progressive family issues. Basically, he sucks at just about everything."

An anti-war challenger strategy poses both risks and rewards.

Many members of Congress, including some adamantly opposed to the war, argue that primary challenges improve prospects for Republicans in the general election, and threaten defections from swing voters worried that liberal interest groups have excessive influence in the Democratic Party.

Conversely, proponents argue it could boost the energy and commitment of activists who helped produce the 2006 election successes; pressure Democratic incumbents to cast anti-war votes; and, in the long run, prove that a Democratic-led Congress can take on a Republican administration.

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"A House Democratic leadership aide told the Huffington Post, 'We understand their frustration, but we need to elect more Democrats in order to affect real change on Iraq.'"
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Bullshit. Given the example of Democrats currently in office, why would we want to elect MORE of these weak self-serving cowards?

The way I see it, pushing for third party candidates is the only way we are going to have a real two party system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 09/07/2007
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"Bullshit. Given the example of Democrats currently in office, why would we want to elect MORE of these weak self-serving cowards?

The way I see it, pushing for third party candidates is the only way we are going to have a real two party system."


So, you're going to vote GOP by proxy? The single greatest amount of blame for Bush's victory in 2000 rests on the heads of people who voted Nader. Taht's the bottom line. A third party vote is NOT just a wasted vote, it is an affirmative vote for the other party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 09/07/2007
- TOFHAS I'm a Fan of TOFHAS 2 fans permalink

A vote that is NOT for a third party.....is a vote for more Corporate control.
And beware of a Corporate launched Third party!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 09/07/2007
- nippersdad I'm a Fan of nippersdad 29 fans permalink

The single greatest amount of blame for Bush's victory in 2000 rests with the U.S. Supreme Court. A complete Florida recount would not only have given the Presidency to Gore but would also have emphasized the shenanigans wrought by Republicans to rig the votes there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/07/2007

All a third party will do is give us a permanent Republican majority.

Look at the incredible harm third party candidate Ralph Nader did in 2000. If he had not run interference for Bush, President Gore would be in his second term and we would not be bogged down in the Iraqi quagmire, continuing to fight a war we cannot win year after year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 09/07/2007
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EinChicago sez:
"The single greatest amount of blame for Bush's victory in 2000 rests on the heads of people who voted Nader."

CaptainVideo sez:
"Look at the incredible harm third party candidate Ralph Nader did in 2000."
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What is it with you people and your obsession over Nader in 2000? There was no "spoiler" candidate in 2004, Bush is still in office, so what's your excuse for that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/07/2007

I'm getting fu**ing sick and tired of hearing dumasses bash Democrats especially the first woman Speaker of the House. Democrats should be proud of that in the first place. The facts are that there is a BALANCE in the Senate...not a majority. It seems that people will bitch and complain, elect cyberstalkers, bathroom peepers, money-stealers, whoremongers, and every other low form of life as long as it's Republican. What the NEVER think of doing is giving Democrats REAL power...why? Because these bottom-feeders tell you it's a bad idea? When you've seen a better difference with a REAL Democratic majority?N­oooo...the­se wingnuts go banging on about a third party. Well, there IS no fu**ing third party!!!! This is a two-party system of government, and if you don't like it, don't vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/07/2007
- TOFHAS I'm a Fan of TOFHAS 2 fans permalink

The Democrats were in control when we went into Vietnam. And stayed in Vietnam. They support the corporate agenda every bit as much as the GOP. Wake up. Until you realize that both parties are working for the corporations, you will continue to give the corporations power.
Oh, and should Hispanics feel proud that the first Hispanic Attorney General is a traitor?
Should women feel proud that the first female Speaker of the House is a sellout?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/07/2007
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

They didn't have to give Bush the money he cried for, or the snooping law he wanted. I want Democrats that have a sping. If the current Democrats don't have a means of spinal support I wqant to elect Democrats who do. I want to keep some Democrats who have tried to stand up to Bush but I want to have better Democrats run against the spineless in the primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 09/07/2007
- nippersdad I'm a Fan of nippersdad 29 fans permalink

I usually agree with you but, there is never a "balance" in either house. Those who control the committees control what legislation makes it to the floor, period.

The votes taken that we so despise were never necessary, hence the anger at such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the Bluedog caucus. If we are only willing to criticize Republicans then we are no better than they are. How is the National leadership of the Democratic Party to know what really matters to us if we don't display our anger when they do objectionable things?

This is the whole point of the MoveOn petiton and its' associated request for money. If the leadership knows that we are willing to back up our words with cash, how can they doubt that we won't back them up with our votes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 09/07/2007
- gvincent I'm a Fan of gvincent 2 fans permalink

Sure...let's do that and throw candidates into the general election that are least qualified to be there. And when the hell did MoveOn.org become the base of the democratic party?
http://www.crookedinc.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 09/07/2007
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We don't even know the candidates are going to be and you have already decided they are the 'least qualified"? The present democrats have given congress Cheneyesque approval ratings because they won't take on the White House like they were elected to. This is 'qualified'?

And who decides who is 'the base' anyway? The base is who shows up to vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 09/07/2007
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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I think so of those dems in there could be called *least qualified*.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/07/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1564 fans permalink
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And when the hell did MoveOn.org become the base of the democratic party? -gvincent
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They're not, and they don't claim to be.

On this one, I'm with them. I'm not with them on everything - just like I'm not with the Dems on everything.

What's wrong with that? Is independent thinking now disallowed even among Liberals?


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 09/07/2007

What is it with ceding your power to these individuals because they wear a brand. As long as we just keep on voting for the lesser of two evils there is NO progress, there is just a slower movement towards the evil. They are fully aware of this game they play and know they have us against a wall and thus manipulate us.

Something to consider:

The country got pushed far to the right because the greedy fascist and authoritarians pushed their party and eventually took it over. Are we on the other side expected just to be dragged in any direction the ones in power who are benefiting from it want? Or do we also push and criticize our elected leaders as well. Should we not take over our party too?

As much as I dread the outcome (and I truly mean dread) maybe it would be good if our leaders loose, so as to make them aware of who elects them. Who pays their salary. Who gives them their power. Who they serve and represent. Or maybe we just need to let the Dem party go by the wayside and build a populous one. Maybe, letting the evil win again may wake the sleeping masses and also make the willful idiots realize what they are supporting and this could be the final nail in the GOP coffin never to rise again.

We desperately need a party to represent WE THE PEOPLE. This is what the ones who CREATED this nation meant it to be.

The Repubs corporatists bit the bullet since Nixon and build theirs. Are we afraid to do the same? Or are we also win at ANY cost, even ours?

We scorn the repubs for using the fear of terrorism to fool the idiots. Aren't our elected leaders using the same tactics on us when we are told to choose the "lesser evil"? And are we to succumb to the fear as well?

I say, TAKE YOUR POWER BACK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 09/07/2007
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I agree with the take back part but I do not agree with a Political Party devolping some kind of religion that all members of the party must follow.
I want seperation of church and state!
I want seperation of powers!
I want the laws to be enforced the same for everyone in the country!
We may elect someone from a certain part but we elect that person be vote as an individual when it comes to the laws of the land and protecting our rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/07/2007

Huh? Never said anything about religion. And the power should be with the citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/07/2007

Huh? Never said anything about religion. If anything I’m opposed to it, but in the most private and personal form if that is your inclination. “Evil” was used as an apt metaphor for the GOP.

And if by “religion” you are talking party conformity, then that is exactly what I’m writing about. To support and elect people who represent you and not just because they brand themselves with one label or another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/07/2007
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 178 fans permalink

Blue dogs lockstep with the leader. This is what they were trained to do. Bush is their leader. Serve notice that there are other Democratic candidates that will challenge them if they continue to support the war.

What's the use of the peace movement giving up so that some DLCs can be BushCo lite? That goes for Hillary and Obama, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 09/07/2007
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"Blue dogs lockstep with the leader. This is what they were trained to do. Bush is their leader. Serve notice that there are other Democratic candidates that will challenge them if they continue to support the war."

You missed the rest of your sentence:

"Serve notice that there are other Democratic candidates that will challenge them if they continue to support the war and, by doing so, ensure a GOP win and ensure the law is prolonged."


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/07/2007

If they refuse to do the job they were sent to Washington to do, then why should they expect to be able to keep that job? They are doing the Democratic party absolutely no good if they are voting like Republicans. Challenge every one of them in the primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 09/07/2007
- hugs4u I'm a Fan of hugs4u 10 fans permalink

I hope Cindy Sheehan kicks Nancy Pelosi ass in the primary. Pelosi is too soft to be in Congress any longer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 09/07/2007

." Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking? All this is going to do is increase the possibility of electing more Republicans. Instead of going after Democrats, they should be focusing their efforts on pressuring Republicans to break with the president.
B.S. pal. When Democrats vote like Republicans, as the Bush Blue Dogs do, then there is no benefit to electing Democrats. Do what you were elected to do and you'll have the support of Democratic voters. Don't, and there's a price to pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 09/07/2007
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B.S. Indeed. How is replacing Democrats with Democrats helping Republicans? (This is about primary challenges and not some silly third party effort). And how are people who don't vote for Republicans already going to 'pressure' Republicans? Tell them 'Hey this time I'M NOT VOTING FOR YOU TWICE"?

If the present crop of Democrats won't stand up to the White House like they were elected to then it's time to put in some who will. There's a word for that, it's called DEMOCRACY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 09/07/2007
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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That's what I've been saying for months. I have 2 dem senators and a dem rep who aren't doing what they were re-elected to do...end the war. Instead I do believe they have been helping bush more than anything. I know all three voted for more funding.

Why in the world do I want to vote for someone who I don't feel is representing me?
I don't and when I got the e-mail I said YES run another dem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 09/07/2007
- Libsrule I'm a Fan of Libsrule 21 fans permalink

I agree. This is no longer about democrats being elected but rather keeping democrats in charge of the MONEY.

That is the primary reason democrats seem to want and relish power. Who gets to control the chairs, controls the lobbyists and where that money ends up going to.

In the campaign coffers of those controlling the various chairs.

AS WELL, they control who gets the taxpayer's money when it's time to hand out financial favors at Pork Barrel time.

Democrats no longer give a flying fuck about the voters, if they did they wouldn't constantly be caving to whatever the Thug party wants. EVEN when they are in power.

All they want is control of the money. They are DLC democrats which means they are republican lite.

As for the idiotic comment made by one democratic member about "what are they thinking about?" we are thinking about putting REAL democrats in office, NOT DLC democrats who only cave to Thug party pressure at every opportunity and make sure their corporate donors are kept fat and happy at the taxpayer's trough.

GOOD FOR MOVEON. Democrats who are basically republican lite need to have their asses kicked to the curb.

When I hear the crap about being more centrist I remember one thing.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CALL A MODERATE DEMOCRAT?

A REPUBLICAN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 09/07/2007
- Bluesman48 I'm a Fan of Bluesman48 9 fans permalink

" Another top Democratic leadership aide said, "What in the world are they thinking?"

Well, we're thinking you're a little pisspants coward not to give us your name.
I'm so angry with my congressman

BRIAN BAIRD D? WA

I'm ready to vote republican just to get him out of there. At least I'll know what I'm getting!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 09/07/2007
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

Right on. He is my loser too. What I really want is a viable democrat to run against him.
Some person who runs honestly and tells us what he is really going to do rather than runs wins based on what he says then changes his position. Hi current notion that what he sees as politically expedient is of more validity than what the people of Southwest Washington want makes clear that he has been in office so long that he has an overinflated view of his importance. I started wondering about that when he reamed out some kid that got a scolorship for sending him a thank you on letter paper rather than a "nice card". I am afraid it is confirmed. But I want a democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/07/2007

Most Blue Dog Democrats are from Red or at least marginally Purple districts in which a more liberal Democrat could not be elected. There is a benefit in having the Blue Dog Democrats in Congress. They vote with the Democrats on organizational matters and therefore make it possible for the Democrats to have a majority in Congress, which they would otherwise not have, and therefore control the Committee Chairmanships, which the Republicans would otherwise control. Many of these chairman are quite liberal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/07/2007

There are districts in which a more anti-war Democrat has a good chance to be elected. That is the appropriate place for primary challenges of Democrats that have not stood up to the Bush Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/07/2007
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What did the people in these state vote these people in FOR? If they were pro war why didn't they vote Republican? If they wanted Republicans they could have voted for Republicans.

This is just a variation of the same whining drivel which has had the democrats cowering from the republicans for over a decade. Remember we took back congress by campaigning agressively against the Republicans. Timidity accomplishes NOTHING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 09/07/2007
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Let's face it. Regardless of how much fun we make of Bush, and regardless of what he has done to this country, we have been unable to stop his disastrous and immoral foreign policy.

And this we can no longer blame on only the Republicans. Since last November, Dems in the Congress must share the blame.

Dems could have stopped funding this fraud doing what Kucinich asked them to do. They didn't. Furthermore, they went ahead and slapped us all in the face with that domestic spying bill.

So, we not only received a stiff kick in the ass from Bush, we also got slapped by Dems.

What are our plans in 2008? Are we going to reward ALL the Dems with our votes? Or just the ones that did, or tried to do something good? And what about those who voted with the fascists?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 09/07/2007
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Again I ask the question: Could Kucinich run as an independent? I would at least like to go down voting for a set of principles. If Hillary and/or a Republican wins, it will be business as usual (that is, the Corporate States of America). AG

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 09/07/2007
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As much as I agree with you I still think there is a world of difference between Hillary and say, Guilianni or any of the GOP candidates. Hillary may atleast add some restraint to American military conquest, where a GOPer will feed tha machine with all its might, other than RP of course who is scary for other reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 09/07/2007
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Oh yes, waste your vote on Kucinich and let Giuliani in. Look up 3rd party disasters, such as Teddy Roosevelt splitting his party's ticket. Did we not loose enough votes to Ralph Nader; enough perhaps to have averted this disaster, by giving Al Gore more votes in Florida. Don't bother to defend yourselves Nader people. Too late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 09/07/2007

Dream ticket: Green Party Al Gore and Dennis Kucinich. I think they would win by a landslide. The Green party could then build from the base up faster; there would no longer be the "they can't win" stigma of voting for a 3rd party. That’s how you challenge the Blue Dogs, run strong people on the Green ticket in their districts. All you need then is 34% of the vote. Between the anti war crowd, the environmentalists, the GLBTs, and the pot smokers that want to legalize Marijuana, you'd have enough to win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 09/08/2007
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"Let's face it. Regardless of how much fun we make of Bush, and regardless of what he has done to this country, we have been unable to stop his disastrous and immoral foreign policy."

HumeSkeptic:

It's what I've been saying all along.

The Democrats have been mindfucked by Bush and have NO MESSAGE besides "Bush is Bad".

Even on the petty, childish level of HuffPo, the discourse is always about Bush, and crying about how "we've lost our country".

In this country WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT BACK.

The Democratics were put in the position to do so, and they proved to be what I thought they were...

...Political operators who USED the anti-war movement to get elected.

If going to war illegally is treasonous, using that same war purely to get elected is just as treasonous.

Good luck with your political party.



Respect

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 09/07/2007
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

No Way! Hand the Congress back to the Republicans on a silver platter?

I said this over and over again. The Dems will step on their own DORKS. Thanx.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/07/2007
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Must have pretty long dorks, to be able to step on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 09/07/2007
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Naw, most are short-sighted anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/07/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1564 fans permalink
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The time for us to kick ass is now. Dem ass.

If we wait till after the soon to debut Petraeus & Bush show gets on the road, it'll be tto late.

If we wait till Bush & Cheney get their "Iran: The Next Nazi Germany" show on the road, it'll be too late.

If we want to send a signal to the Dems, now would be a good time. Most them are trying to figure out which way the wind would blow.

Create some wind for them now. Or, get ready to get our asses kicked again. And teeth.

Tell Dems that we want funding for this fraud to come to a halt. Now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/07/2007
- ymax I'm a Fan of ymax 3 fans permalink

Butttt BU$H and Co. are kicking ASS in Iraq, while our men and women are dieing for him.
This is some Decider.
IMPEACH him now!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 09/07/2007
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Good idea. September 15, Washington DC. Be there.

http://impeachbush.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 09/07/2007
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 09/07/2007
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The pro-war and pro-Bush/Cheney swine herd OBSTRUCTIONISTS MUST GO for our country to continue. No matter which party.

There is NO other way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 09/07/2007
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And if you think that's going to happen by electing more Republicans, please think again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 09/07/2007

One thing about the Dems: they WAIT really really really good!


Want proof:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/07/no-petraeus-report/


There won't be a Petraeus report now!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 09/07/2007
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