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Poll: Most want Iraq pullout deadline
WASHINGTON -- On the eve of critical testimony to Congress by Gen. David Petraeus, most Americans are skeptical of what he will say and support setting a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq regardless of the military situation there.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday and Saturday finds that a White House push to spotlight progress in Iraq, including President Bush's surprise stop in Anbar province last week, hasn't fundamentally changed attitudes toward the war.

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Poll: Iraqis Say US Troops Not Helping

WASHINGTON -- Overwhelming numbers of Iraqis say the U.S. troop buildup has worsened security and the prospects for economic and political progress in their country, according to a poll released Monday that provides a strikingly bleak appraisal of the war.

Forty-seven percent want American forces and their coalition allies to leave the country immediately, the survey showed, 12 percent more than said so in a March poll as the troop increase was beginning. And 57 percent _ including nearly all Sunnis and half of Shiites _ said they consider attacks on coalition forces acceptable, a slight increase over the past half year.

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Dems Take On Petraeus, Call For Firm Withdrawal Date

Democratic presidential hopefuls faced questions on Iraq at a debate hosted by Spanish language network Univision sunday.

A partial transcript of the exchange follows:


MODERATOR: Unfortunately, the question is for Senator Edwards. Senator Edwards, if General Petraeus has indicated that there was some success of these troops, would you still be in favor of withdrawing [from] Iraq in a few months?

MR. EDWARDS: I'm absolutely in favor of America leaving Iraq. What I'm concerned about, about the Petraeus report, is that it will be basically a sales job by the White House, that it'll be a PR document -- (applause) -- because that's what we've continually gotten from this administration, throughout the course of the war.

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- Darwinita I'm a Fan of Darwinita 16 fans permalink
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 09/10/2007
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 54 fans permalink

One thing the Dems can't allow to happen is, to let this scam war be framed as a failure on the part of the Iraqi government.

This entire fiasco belongs to George W. Bush. It's his war, his failure, and he owes it; lock, stock, and barrel.

Sending Petraeus out to explain things away is wrong. Bush is doing what he's always done -- have someone else take the blame for his own failures. And his list of failures is very long.

You can argue that Bush has zero credibility which is why he's tossing Petraeus out there. That may very well be true, however, if Bush were a man, he'd go front and center and take the blame. He's not. He hides in the background and has someone else do his dirty work for him.

He's a prime example of how a sociopath thinks and operates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/10/2007
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 54 fans permalink

One thing the Dems can't allow to happen is, to let this scam war be framed as a failure on the part of the Iraqi government.

This entire fiasco belongs to George W. Bush. It's his war, his failure, and he owes it; lock, stock, and barrel.

Sending Petraeus out to explain things away is wrong. Bush is doing what he's always done -- have someone else take the blame for his own failures. And his list of failures is very long.

You can argue that Bush has zero credibility which is why he's tossing Petraeus out there. That may very well be true, however, if Bush were a man, he'd go front and center and take the blame. He's not. He hides in the background and has someone else do his dirty work for him.

He's a prime example of how a sociopath thinks and operates.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/10/2007

congressman Duncan Hunter thinks the dictatorship in El Salvador is a success. LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 09/10/2007
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Some of you who have posted so much here
should go back and read comments by others
so you can get a more objective view of your
contributions or the pathetic lacking, there of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/10/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1536 fans permalink
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Thanks. I'll go back and read all the posts of Lindamart - eventhough they all say the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 09/10/2007
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Under siege: what the surge really means in Baghdad
By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad
Published: 10 September 2007

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2947410.ece

A city divided by high concrete walls, barbed wire and checkpoints; armoured columns moving through deserted evening streets lit by the glow of searchlights and emptied by official curfew and fear. This is Baghdad, seven months into the surge, and George Bush's last throw of the dice in Iraq.

On the surface, the Iraqi capital is less overtly violent than it used to be. The number of car bombings have fallen to "only" 23 a month from 42 in the same period last year, there are fewer sounds of explosions and gunfire than in the past, and there is, generally, less tension. And some of that must be due to the presence of more troops.

But for many Iraqis, the Americans have turned their land into a prison. The barriers, which have turned Baghdad into a series of ghettos, are meant to keep the bombers out, but they also keep residents penned in. People may feel safer inside their neighbourhoods, but are more wary of venturing outside them. A short journey across the city can take hours with roads blocked off and numerous checkpoints, discouraging people from visiting relations and friends and reinforcing the sense of isolation.

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And that's the predictable and predicted result of the surge. No surprise. Put more troops in one place, guerilla fighter would go underground, or attack somewhere else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/10/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1536 fans permalink
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The least this mass murdering General of ours could do is to arrange for dead bodies to be picked-up:




Volunteers collect Baghdad's nameless
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Sheik Jamal al-Sudani leads a group of volunteers with one of the most solemn tasks in Iraq: Collecting and burying the hundreds of unclaimed dead every month and giving them a proper burial.

"I only think about one thing: That one day, I will face the same fate as these people have faced, and will there be someone to take care of me and bury me, too?" the sheik told CNN.

The discovery of slain bodies in bustling, war-torn Baghdad is a daily fact of life, as ever-present as the lively markets, the solemn mosques, the blinding sunrise and the soft sunset.

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/10/iraq.deadbodies/index.html

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Lindamart, are you willing to be a volunteer to pick up and bury the dead? Afterall, it is your Fuhrer who has caused this to happen.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 09/10/2007
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And to think children see this.
Their childhood and the rest of their lives eternally scarred.
That kind of damage is irreparable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/10/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1536 fans permalink
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Hey! We liberated these people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 09/10/2007
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Hey! We liberated these people.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/10/2007

Young Republicans no longer believe Dubua.

Hispanic voters have turned their backs on the Republican Party.

Middle Class Americans have had enough of the Republican elitists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/10/2007

Republican senators are surrendering their seats.

Bush's staff has deserted him.

Other Republican senators like Stevens are caught in corruption scandals.

Senator Vitter will be remembered for his prostitution supporting.

The Republicans have become the immoral minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/10/2007
- kenlog I'm a Fan of kenlog 22 fans permalink
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That's painting Republicans with a rather wide stance, wouldn't you say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 09/10/2007
- kenlog I'm a Fan of kenlog 22 fans permalink
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DOH !

I meant "broad brush".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 09/10/2007

The Republican Party is dead.

Bush's presidency has been a failure.

The invasion of Iraq has been a failure.

The failure-followers are in panic mode.

Everything they believed in is going up in smoke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 09/10/2007
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Hey! Fraxis & Lindamart:

Aahnold (Gropinator) says that the GOP is fucked. True?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 09/10/2007
- DrDoom I'm a Fan of DrDoom 26 fans permalink
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That's because my favorite Aahnold quote is,

"I'm not into politics, I'm into survival" –in "The Running Man"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/10/2007
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As I remember, he is also the one who said he was inspired to enter politics by Richard Nixon.

Regardless, he thinks that GOP is fucked. I just wanted the opinions of other Republicans on the subject. They might have all gone back to headquarters to obtain the official RNC response.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/10/2007
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Conservatives, Republicans can speak all they want.

Bush is a failure as a leader, dare I say he's a failure as a man.
Iraq is a failed mission. Bush's failed mission.
Most Americans are against this war.
And if you're one who is against most Americans, then you are anti American.
Therefore, Bush and all his supporters are anti American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/10/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 605 fans permalink
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They are anti-christ to, maybe even anti apple pie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 09/10/2007
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Bingo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 09/10/2007
- kenlog I'm a Fan of kenlog 22 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 09/10/2007
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 205 fans permalink
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Logical and true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 09/10/2007
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 28 fans permalink
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logical? My dear lord.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 09/10/2007
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 28 fans permalink
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Last time I checked, the majority of americans are opposed to same-sex marriage. Bans of same sex-marriage have been successful all over the country. Therefore, if you support same-sex marriage, you just might be anti-american.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/10/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 605 fans permalink
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Americans are anti stupid too, so how do you explain rampant stupidity ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 09/10/2007
- kenlog I'm a Fan of kenlog 22 fans permalink
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Gordo.

What a MAROON !!

What an IGNORANOMOUS !!

Seriousy, you need to have that open head wound looked at. Your brain has leaked out all over your jack boots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 09/10/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1536 fans permalink
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Therefore, if you support same-sex marriage, you just might be anti-american. -Gordon

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No Gordon. Faulty logic. If you support same-sex marriage, you are a supporter of same-sex marriage. That's all.

Pro- or anti-American is completely irrelevant to the subject, just as the price of tea in China.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 09/10/2007
- MidSection I'm a Fan of MidSection 13 fans permalink

This is the funnienst website.....a bunch of people talking into a vacuum and nobody listening.­....Patrea­us will testify that the surge is working and the matter is done. The surge will continue....dems will do nothing....the war will continue....and people hear will still be screaming IMPEACH! This war will not be ended anytime soon. I've used the term delusional to describe many who post here, and again I'll say it. So many Delusional people on this site. What is it about the far left?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/10/2007
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

Its not about what the Democrats will do. It is about how many Republicans will stop supporting a losing effort. Take away the veto-proof Congress and the whole game will change. Republicans up for election are going to have to decide if they want to be on the GOP bus when it runs off the cliff in 08.

The Dems are carefully managing this so that Iraq will be the major issue in 08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 09/10/2007


Wow!

That could cure even the worse case of insomnia!

I'll read again at bedtime...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 09/10/2007
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 54 fans permalink

Within five weeks of President Clinton taking office, the WTC was bombed.

If President George Bush Sr. hadn't been so preoccupied with co-authoring a book with his dog Millie, then Ramzi Yousef would've been caught prior to the WTC bombing.

It was left up to Bill Clinton to capture those who bombed the WTC -- and he did. What Democrat president is going to have to catch the person responsible for 9-11?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 09/10/2007
- Darwinita I'm a Fan of Darwinita 16 fans permalink
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Whatever one is elected. George doesn't care, he planned on letting the next guy clean it up anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 09/10/2007
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Clean up on aisle 43 ! ( dumbya , 43rd Pres )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 09/10/2007
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There is not going to be a Withdraw of our troops in Iraq, in fact I would be more prepared for another War with Iran, and Bush reinstating the draft.

This was reported today please read:
Report: U.S. Building Military Base Near Iraq-Iran Border
The Bush administration is reportedly preparing to build a military base near Iraq’s border with Iran. According to the Wall Street Journal, the base will be located four miles from the Iranian border and in place for at least two years. A U.S. commander says the base will be used to stem the flow of advanced Iranian weaponry allegedly being supplied to Iraqi insurgents. The Pentagon plans to build checkpoints, x-ray machines and censors at the only formal crossing between Iraq and Iran. The development is the latest indicating the administration is stepping up its confrontation with Iran. President Bush has threatened to confront Iran while anonymous administration and right-wing think tank sources have reported that plans have been drawn for massive air strikes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 09/10/2007

Bush is building a base by bypassing the democratic controlled congress, who controls the purse strings? When are the democrats going to hold a news conference to discuss the funding for this base and why they supported it and don't support it now?

Will that news conference be held before or after they conclude personally attacking General Patraeus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 09/10/2007


General Betrayus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/10/2007

Remember Linda, that giant building was built with your tax money. Enjoy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 09/10/2007

In order to end the Oil War in Iraq, a majority of Representatives in the House would have to cut off funding.

The last time it was tried, around 160 Democrats and two or three Repoopicons voted to end the funding. The fifty or so Democrats who voted to continue the bloddbath are known as the Bush Dogs.
They are Repoopicon Lite and represent states such as Alabama and Georgia.

The only way you are going to get a majority to end the war is if some of the Conservative Democrats and few moderate Repoopicons join the decent liberals to end it.

Whether or not that will happen is all politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/10/2007
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