Withdraw, Withdraw, Withdraw

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Poll: Most want Iraq pullout deadline
WASHINGTON -- On the eve of critical testimony to Congress by Gen. David Petraeus, most Americans are skeptical of what he will say and support setting a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq regardless of the military situation there.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday and Saturday finds that a White House push to spotlight progress in Iraq, including President Bush's surprise stop in Anbar province last week, hasn't fundamentally changed attitudes toward the war.

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Poll: Iraqis Say US Troops Not Helping

WASHINGTON -- Overwhelming numbers of Iraqis say the U.S. troop buildup has worsened security and the prospects for economic and political progress in their country, according to a poll released Monday that provides a strikingly bleak appraisal of the war.

Forty-seven percent want American forces and their coalition allies to leave the country immediately, the survey showed, 12 percent more than said so in a March poll as the troop increase was beginning. And 57 percent _ including nearly all Sunnis and half of Shiites _ said they consider attacks on coalition forces acceptable, a slight increase over the past half year.

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Dems Take On Petraeus, Call For Firm Withdrawal Date

Democratic presidential hopefuls faced questions on Iraq at a debate hosted by Spanish language network Univision sunday.

A partial transcript of the exchange follows:


MODERATOR: Unfortunately, the question is for Senator Edwards. Senator Edwards, if General Petraeus has indicated that there was some success of these troops, would you still be in favor of withdrawing [from] Iraq in a few months?

MR. EDWARDS: I'm absolutely in favor of America leaving Iraq. What I'm concerned about, about the Petraeus report, is that it will be basically a sales job by the White House, that it'll be a PR document -- (applause) -- because that's what we've continually gotten from this administration, throughout the course of the war.

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- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

As Juan Williams stated on Fox News Sunday, he realizes there will be around 100,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq at the start of any new administration. He is sure this will be the reality.

Withdrawal will happen when we have stabilized the country and government, not before. Since this is a relative term, it'll have to be defined by politicians, LATER.

Also, there is news that WE are planning to build a base 4 miles from IRAN to stem the flow of arms and possibly, fighters, from that country. This base is anticipated to be there for the next 2 years, at least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/10/2007
- bertloc2 I'm a Fan of bertloc2 3 fans permalink

A base 4 miles inside of Iran ?
What a great idea, and of course you Libs will have nothing but bad things to say about it.

Even better, once we start handing out Coca Cola to the locals, and Get WalMart to supply some Ipods, the Iranians will soon be addicted to our culture and all the great things our great gift of freedom will give them.
Your days will be numbered, Mullahs !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 09/10/2007

Hey bert, learn to read. A said 4 miles FROM Iran, not in, Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 09/10/2007
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What about the base next to Saudi Arabia to stem the flow of arms and fighters from there?

Won't happen will it?

HAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHHAH­AHAHAHHA!!­!!!Shit.

What did siding with one faction in a civil war ever get us in Viet Nam?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/10/2007
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Nah, we'd be bombed by our own F-16s with our own munitions to boot! The indignity of it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 09/10/2007

Iraq cannot be stabilized by the United States.

ONLY the Iraqis can stabilize their own country---and they have shown no desire or willingness to do so.
They are far more invested in ethnic cleansing and sectarian violence.

Why should Americans die for this?

It has nothing to do with US security concerns---and it never did.

Why should Americans die for this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/10/2007
- VungTauVet I'm a Fan of VungTauVet 4 fans permalink
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Agreed Bread. Furthermore, if Iraq is 'the cradle of civilization, how's come they don't already have their collective shit together? I mean they've only had since the so called 'beginning' of mankind to do it. Also, is this what's in store for us? Looks like a bad ending for us all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 09/10/2007
- kittycago I'm a Fan of kittycago 5 fans permalink

Wonder why the grand puba's son is never mentioned by the repunks.Le­t's hear from the son of god in the GOP Ronald Reagan Jr.Wonder if that will happen anytime soon?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/10/2007

kitty, have you ever seen R Reagan Jr. on any of the news programs? He is not anywhere close to being a member of the gop. He sides with dems on most issues. Why? Because he is an intelligent man that uses reason and logic in forming his opinions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 09/10/2007
- duridu55 I'm a Fan of duridu55 4 fans permalink

"The modern liberal establishment just can’t understand anything that isn’t done purely for political gain. They can’t even imagine a man in David Petraeus' position being ANYTHING OTHER THAN A LACKEY FOR THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE".

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Speaking of 'political gain'

LMFAO !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/10/2007
- waynesmyer I'm a Fan of waynesmyer 10 fans permalink

Georgie Bu$h to Turd Blossom Rove: "It ain't never right to withdraw after a premature injection! Bend over, Turdy, whilst I get back on the stump!" *
* Scene fron Jeffy Gannon's best selling new novel "A Thousand & One Nights In The Lincoln Bedroom"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/10/2007
- Badwater I'm a Fan of Badwater 8 fans permalink

The Decider is not driven by polls because he knows that most people are cut-and-run cowards. That's not the Decider. He's from the brave Bush family. You don't hear them calling for withdrawal. Of course, not a single one of them has been willing to serve since World War II. But that doesn't matter. They are Republican Royalty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 09/10/2007
- DELICIOUS I'm a Fan of DELICIOUS 6 fans permalink

BU$H TOO INCOMPETENT TO WITHDRAW. IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/10/2007

Don't you think that the Dems would try if they could?

Then if you IMPEACH BUSH YOU GET CHENEY. YOU WANT THAT COMRADE?

IMPEACE HIM TOO RIGHT? Then what? Pelosi?

Reid as VP.

Murtha as Defense Secretary.

Cindy as UN Ambassador.

Edwards as Secretary of Finance. ("Give all the Fort Knox gold to the poor. Take away money from the rich to give to the poor. Except mine of course.")

Or we could by-pass all these senerios and put the real President in: AL GORE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 09/10/2007
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 173 fans permalink
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The headline for ALL AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS:

"WITHDRAW, WITHDRAW, WITHDRAW"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/10/2007
- Wiredwilly I'm a Fan of Wiredwilly 23 fans permalink

Peace is Sanity, War is Madness

They just don't get it.
Come Home Come Home Come Home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 09/10/2007
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 77 fans permalink
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But until The Decider wants to withdraw, nothing will happen. Who will have the courage to say "enough is enough" and promote a civil uprising? Nothing else will work because IF the Democrats get a plan to withdraw troops, defund the war or impose a timetable passed, Bush will veto it. There are not enough votes to over ride his veto.

We are trapped. Until Bush is gone, there will be no exit from this deathtrap of his creation. Even after his departure, who will want to preside over America's defeat in Iraq? And that's precisely how the Republicans will label it. It may be Bush's War, but it will be declared by the Republican noise machine as the Democrat's defeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 09/10/2007

If congress would stop worrying about looking like they don't support the troops, and looking to be soft on terror, they would submit a bill with definate timetables. If baby bush vetoes it, submit the same bill over and over, until he has no choice but to sign it. Democrats.­......... stop funding this illegal and immoral war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 09/11/2007

John Edwards is claiming that General David Patraeus will lie for President Bush.

However, John Edwards cannot explain why his fellow democrats, holding the majority in the United States Senate, unanimously voted to confirm the General when he was presented for appointment by President Bush.

Today, you will witness democrats trashing General David Patraeus. It will be quite the spectacle.

However, I wonder how many of those democrats trashing General David Patraeus will explain why they voted to confirm the General?

God bless our troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 09/10/2007
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

However, I wonder when you lousy Republicans are going to do some work instead of spending all your time trying to blame Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 09/10/2007
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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Being accountable and taking responsibility is a problem the Republicans haven't quite solved yet. When confronted by their mistakes or errors of judgment, they inevitably regress and, in the process, often seem to regurgitate images of Bill Clinton.

Republicans, who have claimed to be the "grown-ups", are anything but. They are the petulant little spoiled brats who refuse to learn from the examples that life has to give and, instead, opt to stammer and scream and point the finger elsewhere.

I hope that the American people have learned a valuable lesson here -- that Republicans can not be trusted to do a fair and effective job at governing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 09/10/2007
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

I am sure John Edwards will be proved correct when he says betrayus will lie for bush . . . as to why the Dems have no backbone . . . well . . . I don't think since Edwards is no longer in Congress to ask him why . . he must have his own view on the subject but that would be a diversion and not really helpful at this point -- the important thing right now is to get the troops out . . . to help rebuild Iraq somehow . . . and no more bushie/cheney wars . . . and to leave Iran alone . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/10/2007
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Heaven forbid a government employee would even consider lying for his employer, heavens to Betsy it has never happened.

A general lying, whatever next an honest politician?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 09/10/2007

lindamart, you are one of the biggest phonies on the planet. You and the rest of your neocon church buddies couldn't care less about the troops. All you care about is being right, which is a feat you all seem to have a problem accomplishing. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield have been wrong about virtually everything right out of the gate, and so have you. You and all of the other do-nothing war cheerleaders should be ashamed of yourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/10/2007
- nixau I'm a Fan of nixau 2 fans permalink

That's a non sequitur. Because you voted for him you have to believe everything he says? That's republican logic. And Edwards is not in the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/10/2007
- osage I'm a Fan of osage 296 fans permalink
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AL QAEDA MATH = CIVIL WAR --- AL QAEDA'S NUMBERS ARE ONLY 3% TO 5% OF THE TOTAL SUNNI INSURGENCY!

Since Bush has repeatedly claimed we’re in Iraq to fight "Al Qaeda", the terrorists responsible for 9/11, why do we need 160,000 American soldiers to thwart a fighting force estimated to be no more than 3,000 at best?

Is "Al Qaeda's" fighting force of no more than 3000 so much better organized, armed and equipped that they've been able to successfully fend off 160,000 American soldiers after 4.5 years?

Is "Al Qaeda's" fighting force of no more than 3000 solely responsible for the nearly 4000 “American” deaths thus far?

How many “Americans” were killed by “Sunnis” or “Shiites” or “Kurds”? How many “Al Qaeda” fighters have been killed by “American” troops or by “Sunnis” or “Shiites” or “Kurds”?

Do dead “Al Qaeda” fighters immediately return to life to form an inexhaustible number of living dead fighters for “Americans”, “Sunnis”, “Shiites” and “Kurds” to kill again and again?

Are “Al Qaeda” fighters solely responsible for the killing of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians?

“Al Qaeda” isn’t the reason for the killing, destruction and chaos in Iraq. “George W. Bush” is! His dishonest motives, his incompetent planning, his irresponsible cronyism, his arming of sectarian, political and criminal factions, his enabling of ethnic cleansing and civil war, his ignorance, arrogance and immorality have resulted in a level of destruction and death that he is soley responsible for. Everything he has done in Iraq has been based on lies for reasons of political expediency. Intentionally or not, he is a mass-murderer.

George W. Bush is relying on the same math in Iraq that Karl Rove used when he guaranteed Republicans would hold their majorities in the House and Senate before the 2006 elections?

"[I]t is estimated that foreigners make up at least 70 percent of al Qaeda's 1,000 to several thousand fighters. Other estimates suggest al Qaeda's numbers around 850, about 3 to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency­."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 09/10/2007
- Mutineer I'm a Fan of Mutineer 6 fans permalink

100% correct. This has been a complete campaign of lies and obfuscation repeated so many times that the Fox News set actually believes it. You can consider "al Qaeda in Iraq" along with
"The whole world thought Saddam had WMDs" and
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" and
"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" and
"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency" etc, etc, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/10/2007
- Robinsong I'm a Fan of Robinsong 10 fans permalink
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Do dead “Al Qaeda” fighters immediately return to life to form an inexhaustible number of living dead fighters for “Americans”, “Sunnis”, “Shiites” and “Kurds” to kill again and again?
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This fact isn't funny but it reminds me of a funny memory. When we were kids and there were only two or three playing "Cowboys and Indians" or "Cops and Robbers" in order to keep the game going if a player was shot he would fall to the ground dead and then count to ten and be alive again. Maybe Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq learned of our childhood magic.....­.Nawwwww just more Bush lies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 09/10/2007
- dotmafia I'm a Fan of dotmafia 43 fans permalink
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Impeach, Impeach, Impeach!!!

and then... charge with war crimes.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 09/10/2007
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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I'm peach I'm peach I'm peach

Huffy is going Kafkaesque

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 09/10/2007
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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HI FEMI! Boy do we miss you. How's that beautiful vacation going?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 09/10/2007

This whole government is Kafkaesque. We have seen
Cheney become a cockroach before our eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 09/10/2007
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

I'm with you dotm . . .impeach the big dick first then the chimp . . . then off to the hague for a war crimes trial and then to baghdad for the lynchin' . . . .

no more money for war . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 09/10/2007
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Reality calling, reality calling, hello planet earth.....­.hello....­....

Who is going to impeach whom may one ask?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 09/10/2007

Couldn't agree more, Mac. That bowlegged cowboy in the White House has been playing with our minds long enough. Does anyone remember the deck of cards with pictures of the so-called "terrorists"? And laying out the naked bodies of Saddam's sons for the world to see ---We can't wait till 2008 --- the country won't survive another year of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/10/2007

The polls, the media, and more improtantly, OUR opinion does not matter. King George will keep us there until 2009 to hand off this poopie diaper onto the next administration. Just remember when that time comes, when we are choking in debt, death, and our borders are still unsafe, know WHO to blame and WHERE the blame belongs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 09/10/2007

I can't beleive Congressman Ike Skelton is quoting that dork Tom Friedman. Petraeus is going to ask for another "Friedman Unit". Winning in six more months has become a joke, because Friedman has predicted it so many times.

Lantos made a Freudian slip. He said we have some
Texaco successes in Iraq. I think he was supposed to say technical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/10/2007

Why are Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich not on that picture? Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Chris Dodd all voted for the Iraq War Resolution back in 2002!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/10/2007

I would also like to mention in the documentary "Why We Fight" they state the US is building 14 permanent bases in Iraq. Our government has no intention of ever leaving.

Ron Paul is the only one that has pointed this out and stated, "How would we feel if China did this to us?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/10/2007
- Enid I'm a Fan of Enid 9 fans permalink

G.W. Bush who took a horrible crime against the people of New York and the US.
A criminal act not the act of war that it was turned into.

Saudi citizens ramming planes into US building.

No inquire just bomb Iraqi and make every thing Iraq's fault.

Swallow gulp!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 09/10/2007

"Saudi citizens ramming planes into US building..­."

While this has been noted, it seems to be eclipsed by right wing screaming.­.. The Saudis' most loyal ally, the Bush family, has not raised one question regarding the 15 Saudis who perpetrated the attack on 9/11.

If one scintilla of evidence pointed toward Saddam, there must be reams of evidence that point toward the Saudi royal family.

Nuke Riyadh!

(Was that clear? I had my tongue in cheek...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 09/10/2007
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