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Poll: Most want Iraq pullout deadline
WASHINGTON -- On the eve of critical testimony to Congress by Gen. David Petraeus, most Americans are skeptical of what he will say and support setting a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq regardless of the military situation there.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday and Saturday finds that a White House push to spotlight progress in Iraq, including President Bush's surprise stop in Anbar province last week, hasn't fundamentally changed attitudes toward the war.

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Poll: Iraqis Say US Troops Not Helping

WASHINGTON -- Overwhelming numbers of Iraqis say the U.S. troop buildup has worsened security and the prospects for economic and political progress in their country, according to a poll released Monday that provides a strikingly bleak appraisal of the war.

Forty-seven percent want American forces and their coalition allies to leave the country immediately, the survey showed, 12 percent more than said so in a March poll as the troop increase was beginning. And 57 percent _ including nearly all Sunnis and half of Shiites _ said they consider attacks on coalition forces acceptable, a slight increase over the past half year.

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Dems Take On Petraeus, Call For Firm Withdrawal Date

Democratic presidential hopefuls faced questions on Iraq at a debate hosted by Spanish language network Univision sunday.

A partial transcript of the exchange follows:


MODERATOR: Unfortunately, the question is for Senator Edwards. Senator Edwards, if General Petraeus has indicated that there was some success of these troops, would you still be in favor of withdrawing [from] Iraq in a few months?

MR. EDWARDS: I'm absolutely in favor of America leaving Iraq. What I'm concerned about, about the Petraeus report, is that it will be basically a sales job by the White House, that it'll be a PR document -- (applause) -- because that's what we've continually gotten from this administration, throughout the course of the war.

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No more money paid to kill our troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/10/2007

Get our troops out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/10/2007
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 131 fans permalink
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The reason Bush never learned the lessons from vietnam, is because he was either drunk or stoned during that time so for him it was great, just one big party! Unfortunately, the more then 58,000 killed didn't get an invite!
He has no clue what to do in Iraq, neither does any of the Generals, so they keep throwing soldiers and bombs at it, in the hopes that somehow, someway, it will become an icon of democracy! Well, so much for that. Now how about a dose of reality! We need to withdraw, the American public says so, the majority of Iraqi's say so, but Bush and General Beteraus, they just keep hoping that somehow they can squeek by until Bushy is living on his new Rancho. Please someone string these guys up for WAR crimes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/10/2007
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 56 fans permalink
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We need to give the surge six more months. It's in its early stages yet, and needs more time to produce results.

Six more months. Give our troops time to work on the surge so we can all be safe. The surge is a great military stratergery, so give Mr. Bush some time to allow his surge stratergery to produce its intended results: Victory!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/10/2007

NO more time for failure!

The surge was a lie.

The administration is a failure.

Iraq is a failure that the administration never saw coming.

You Republicans just want to kill off more troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/10/2007
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syp, please memorize the satirists
before you flag, check the profile!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 09/10/2007

The welcomed death of the Republican Party.

Ciao!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/10/2007

A U.S. General's Disquiet (Op/Ed)
BY: Roger Cohen, New York Times
"The U.S. as a nation — and indeed most of the U.S. government — has not gone to war since 9/11," he observes. While the military is fighting, "the American people and most of the other institutions of national power have largely gone about their business."

Rarely, if ever, has daily death in combat been accompanied on such a scale by the maxing out of credit cards at the mall. President Bush likes to call himself a "war president.­" More accurately he has been the war-and-shop, conflict-a­nd-home-eq­uity-credi­t president.

Now those two worlds, eerily remote from each other, have come together in simultaneous Iraq and credit crises. While Bush considers lowering troop levels, Fed chairman Ben Bernanke considers lowering interest rates. The overseas and home fronts, the dropping and the shopping, are not unrelated after all.

Chiarelli has long suffered the disconnect. He saw his soldiers killed in flimsy Humvees because American industry was not geared up in World War II fashion to produce replacements. He has seen the military pushed to provide agricultural, governance and legal experts when they might come from the Departments of Agriculture, State and Justice.

"Our current problems raise the legitimate question of whether the U.S., or any democracy, can successfully prosecute an extended war without a true national commitment," he writes.

Unless you believe the United States can simply withdraw from the world, a popular but naïve view, that essential strategic question needs addressing beyond the Iraq tactics before Congress this week. An answer is the minimum the now overstretched shopping nation owes the long overstretched fighting nation it seldom notices.

Foreclosure is grim. But what the war bereaved want and cannot find is closure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/10/2007
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

It used to be called "moral hazard", on the Right.

The idea is, if you don't have a personal and immediate stake in allocation of resources, you'll recklessly spend, because you're not paying, and there's little risk.

Iraq is a good example of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 09/10/2007
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Can you sacrifice vicariously?

Seems like it. That's the line they're trying to sell, on the Right, anyway.

The Greatest Generation, but without the risk.

It's a beautiful thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 09/10/2007
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There is hardly a conservative principle

that the neocons have left un-assaulted,

but the trolls keep cheering the traitors!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 09/10/2007

When you enter a one-way street the wrong way, there is just one solution: back up or turn around. But don't go any further.

The USA is pushing ahead on this road, causing more damage, death and destruction every day. Finally they will have to get out. Why waste more lives, more money and more resources needed in the USA for a war like this ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 09/10/2007
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Oh, shoot.

The Iraqis disagree with US conservatives again.

Conservatives LOOOVVEEE the Iraqis! Why aren't they GRATEFUL?

US conservatives must know better than the Iraqis. That's probably it.

Barely a quarter of Iraqis say their security has improved in the past six months, a negative assessment of the surge in U.S. forces that reflects worsening public attitudes across a range of measures, even as authorities report some progress curtailing violence.

Apart from a few scattered gains, a new national survey by ABC News, the BBC and the Japanese broadcaster NHK finds deepening dissatisfaction with conditions in Iraq, lower ratings for the national government and growing rejection of the U.S. role there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 09/10/2007
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Oh darn those Iraqis. Why don't they love us? Why? Why? Why can't they see us the way we see us? Noble, fair and honorable.­.. Why can't they see why we had to invade them, destroy their infrastructure, and kill their neighbors?

Guess we'll have to wait another six years for flowers and kisses...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 09/10/2007

All the silly neocon war cheerleaders love to parrot the punchwords "surrender, defeat, anti-military," etc. when bashing the Democrats' desire to begin troop withdrawal. How can it be a surrender? To whom, exactly, would we be surrendering? Bush sent the troops in to, allegedly, remove Saddam Hussein from power, which they did. We can't surrender to a dead man, can we? And, how could withdrawal be equated with defeat, when several years ago Bush declared "Mission Accomplished?" If the mission had been accomplished, how can that now be described as a defeat? Our troops have done all they can. They have followed their orders and completed their mission. To insist that they remain in harm's way indefinitely shows a complete lack of respect for their efforts. Yet, the neocons, who claim to have such strong devotion to the troops, continue to insist that the military has not done its job properly. What more can they do? The solution to the current situation in Iraq is not military; it is political and diplomatic. To postpone troop withdrawal any further will accomplish nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 09/10/2007
- Nyla785 I'm a Fan of Nyla785 9 fans permalink

We've seen generals come & go....Fran­ks...Pace.­..Abizaid.­..now Petraeus..­.all of them billed as 'brilliant commanders­'...all of them put in to be 'the savior' of this debacle...­all of them trying to make some sense of this mess in Iraq...all of them touting the Bush line to the public..an­d nothing changes..n­othing improves..­.the numbers of our losses keeps going up....why in heavens name should we believe anything Petraeus says? When we have so MANY times heard that 'everything is going to be fine...jus­t fine' and yet everything stays the same?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/10/2007
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Republicans are liars and crooks.

Democrats are ineffective.

God help the troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/10/2007
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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God bless America!

And all who sink with....so­rry sail in her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 09/10/2007

Good bye, Iraq!

We don't want to be there.

They do not want us there.

Bring the troops home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/10/2007
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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Vive La Revolution. All the lies and horse shit this administration has been spewing for 6 years will catch up with the Republicans. Some of them get it and know better than to blindly drink the red koolaid, but most of the republican morons who blog here just don't get it. If you are a proud republican, know this; George Bush will be the downfall of the republican party. People will be disinterested in voting due to King George's madness. Fred "Basset Hound" Thompson wont save you, and Rudy "Zsa Zsa Gabor" Giulliani sure as hell won't. The 20% of population who are freakin blind will still vote repub, but the dems will still win. Frankly, compared to the direction the U.S. has gone for the last 6 years even moderate republicans would be thrilled to have a level headed democrat in charge. I guess I should be thanking Bush because he's done more harm to the repuclicans than I ever could have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 09/10/2007
- Will7 I'm a Fan of Will7 5 fans permalink

Ah, it's always good to see the Communists, the defeatists and the cheese-eat­ing-surren­der-monkey­s out on a beautiful Monday morning.

Fortunately, it means the children are here posting and the adults are out working and running things.

Most of us, especially politicians are guilty of something called "projection". The leftists do everything for politics and nothing for verity, so they thinks all the rest of us, including military personnel, are just like they are. I mean, if they will lie, cheat, steal, etc. for their own good, why wouldn't a general? Right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 09/10/2007

Surrender is not an option.

this is NOT a declared war. To whom would we surrender.

No Democrats have ever said, "surrender­."

You and Bush can callit a victory if honor is more important than caring for our troops.

Just bring our troops home, now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 09/10/2007
- innerpeace I'm a Fan of innerpeace 16 fans permalink

At least,you admit that you're an unemployed kid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 09/10/2007
- innerpeace I'm a Fan of innerpeace 16 fans permalink

Will7-Since you admit to being an unemployed kid I must ask why you don't have a job?Since you're young and unemployed then why aren't you in the military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/10/2007
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I can answer that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjQuJDjZar8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 09/10/2007
- Will7 I'm a Fan of Will7 5 fans permalink

I would imagine that it is because I am beyond military age and own/run a small company. I drop in here occasionally to torment the left and expose its raging mendacity, hypocrisy and cowardice.

And your contribution to society?

You must be the recent product of a public school education. More's the pity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 09/10/2007
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 46 fans permalink
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Fortunately, it means the children are here posting and the adults are out working and running things.

Which explains your being here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/10/2007
- DrDoom I'm a Fan of DrDoom 26 fans permalink
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Time to get a real job willy, coming here to hand out insults and proofread can't pay very well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 09/10/2007

Wary troops say surge works, barely
BY: Sharon Behn, Washington Times
09/10/2007


BAGHDAD — Many U.S. soldiers on the ground in Baghdad caution that improved security in the capital city will last only as long as the surge. If American troops were to leave, they say, the insurgents could be back within hours.

U.S. forces broke up insurgent networks and curtailed the ability of terrorists to strike, said Sgt. Gregory Rayho, 30, of the 2nd Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the recipient of three Purple Hearts during his time in Iraq.

His overall assessment is upbeat: "It is my opinion that the surge is working."

But he also said continued success in the Dora neighborhood of Baghdad, where his fellow soldiers patrol, depends on the continued presence of American troops. Should they be withdrawn, the future could be deadly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 09/10/2007
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