Why the hell should Obama and Hillary denounce the ad? MoveOn is a separate entity. To denounce the ad is to allow the Republicons to shape the narrative of what the ad means and MoveOn's intention.

MoveOn has absolutely no reason to apologize for the ad. I'm one of those people who think that our elected Democratic senators and reps should fear us more than they should fear the right wing noise machine. They were elected to serve us and do our bidding-not cave in to a failed administration or right wing whining. The ad proved that the right wing can't take a dose of their own medicine. I have no fear that it will galvanize them or make them angry-that reaction will only cause them to spew out more misinformation that we can call them on (such as the phony NYT ad rate), plus it will force them to make some more fatal mistakes. No, now is the time to apply even more pressure. As long as MoveOn is honest in what they say I have no problem with them or their tactics.

The ad energized me to join MoveOn and I will be contributing to them so that they can carry on the fight. I have informed DNC and my rep that I do not intend to give any more to them and that I will actively support any Democratic opposition to them in the primaries until or unless they start doing what needs to be done.

I urge everyone to join MoveOn.org and donate what you can so that more ads can be placed in every daily paper in the country and we can change the Democratic Party into a party of action that is not paralyzed by the fear of being called bad names.

Truth to power people.
Blunt or not.

I understand why all the candidates have distanced themselves,but.....

Move over and let MOVEON speak
You know damn well they are saying what every Dem is thinking.

I saw Giuliani's ad this am in the NY Times. What a jerk. He still identifies himself as "Mayor" Rudy Giuliani but beside that he sounds like the whiny bitch that he is. This will be typical of him if he gets to the presidency. He's very thin skinned much more so than Petraeus. By the way - Adm. Fallon, Petraeus' boss,has said much worse about Patraeus than MoveOn ever could.

The Repugs plan an answering ad.
First I hope the NYT charges them a million dollars for the ad.

Second I can hardly wait to see what lame crap Karl Rove and David Bossie come up with to defend
Petraeus' ass kissing.

World Domination through Chicken Power!!!!
Pawk Pawk, Pa-Pawk Pawk.

Top Iraq commander visits Fort Benning Sat Sep 8, 6:10 PM ET



Before the Army's top commander in Iraq was due to deliver a much-anticipated war assessment to Congress Monday, he stopped over in Georgia to witness his son complete training as an Airborne trooper.

Gen. David Petraeus visited the Fryar Drop Zone at Fort Benning Friday to watch his son, Stephen, make his fifth and final jump as he graduates from Airborne School.

"I'd like to introduce our latest Airborne trooper," Petraeus said as his son, a 20-year-old member of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Army ROTC program, beamed.

The general also attended a memorial celebration for the dozens of World War II veterans who were members of the Army's first black parachute infantry battalion, the 555th, also known as the Triple Nickel.

"You are true American pioneers. You challenged the conscience of a nation and its Army," he told the veterans.

Stephen Petraeus said he's looking forward to his father's much-anticipated appearance before Congress on Monday.

"My dad is a jumpmaster and a master parachutist," he said. "I hardly think he's nervous about giving a speech."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070908/ap_on_re_us/petraeus_fort_benning_1

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This General is looking more Presidential every day. He does have a purple heart which he humbly wears the third row down on the right rather than up on top by itself like most wounded military do.

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His son is obviously going to Iraq or Afganistan, not like the Bu$h good for nothing twins or Cheneys gay daughter....

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What more could the GOP want to counteract Hillary or Obama?

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Petraeus, Petraeus, hes our man, if he cant do it no one can...

No need to apologize (verb please allow me to apologize for my wrongful accusations say (one is) sorry, express regret, be apologetic, make an apology, ask forgiveness, ask for pardon; informal eat one's words, eat humble pie.) for telling the truth. The general has added two stars to his collar while the schrub has been in office. He has gained grade when those above him were thrown under the bus by the President and his Sec. Of Defense (Rumsfeld). The General was responsible for the training of the post invasion Iraqi Army and Security forces. That was such a wonderful success. He was responsible to equiping these said forces...something like 160,00 AK47s and something like 50,000 or more handguns were handed out with out any documentation and are unaccounted for. I am sure that his record of achievement will win him the Medal of Freedom that he so richly deserves. His superior, an Admiral commanding Central Command, whose name escapes me now, called him and ass-kissing sycophant (noun I thought you wanted a competent assistant, not a nodding sycophant yes-man, bootlicker, brown-noser, toady, lickspittle, flatterer, flunky, lackey, spaniel, doormat, stooge, cringer,suck, suck-up.) The word was out that the Admiral did not like this quality in anybody under his command. He has forgotton the motto of the US Military Academy at West Point - "DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY" . Words to live by and sometimes to die for.

Regardless of the insults & accusing the other party of treason- this campaign for POTUS is going to be much too long & has turned into a bore. Overly long campaigns which rely on being able to recycle the same vile charges every 3 months produce massive apathy. The candidates for POTUS & their supporters want to win in the worst way. All of the campaigns are getting worse & worse by the minute. That insures that the worst & most wretched candidate will become POTUS #44. POTUS #44 will be the last mangy dog to jump of the gut wagon because of the putrid smell of the gut wagon.

Can't focus on reality, can we. Swiftboat ads, who cares, Kerry wasn't electable in any universe. The moveon ad was offensive to any normal person no matter what your polical persuasion is. After reading some of the responses it's obvious people are blinded by venemous march in step hatred. The fact is neither party is worth a crap and have sold out to special interests. If you don't think they won't sell you out in a second it's time to pull your head out your butts and take a deep breath of fresh air! Follow the money, it ends up in all the politicians pockets and not in yours no matter which party it is.

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Blood on Uniform - OKAY

Ink on Paper - NOT OKAY


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Nothing to apoligize for. The ad was spot on.The truth hurts like a bitch. They were not the first to use the term "betrayus", and will not be the last.I and many others have served our country so everyone can have this thing called "free speach".

The MoveOn ad is an expression of free spreech in a country whose constitution protects the freedom of speech to the extent that it is within the confines thereof. Pitiful, the people who are out to impinge on MoveOn's rights are the same people who cry wolve at the slightest suspicion of an effort to encroach upon their own rights. Democratic presidential candidates will be hardpressed to repudiate MoveOn just to placate the Right whose own share abusively mendacious ads is a matter of public record. MoveOn has been involved in the political discourse in numerous ways, not least the mobilization of both human and material resources for the advancement of progressive causes.

The MoveOn ad was a brilliant move, though part of it's success was unforeseen. You see, the right picked a very bad moment to focus on MoveOn instead of just boosting Patreaus. Hyperfocusing on the MoveOn ad distracted the right wing noise machine from being completely on point when it came to the surge being a 'success'. The right wing supporters of this war spent far too much time and energy chasing liberal boogeymen this week, and it will cost them.

Let's give credit to Hillary for standing with MoveOn on this issue.