Questioning Petraeus: Squandered Opportunities, Longwinded Monologues

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First Posted: 09-19-07 08:40 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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About halfway through the September 11 Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing with General David Petraeus and Iraq Ambassador Ryan Crocker, Senator Barbara Boxer of California got her allotted seven minutes to ask questions.

She began by informing Petraeus and Crocker "I represent 37 million people" and that she spends much of her time informing her constituents of "my own views." She then told the witnesses that "this war is the biggest foreign policy mistake ever" and detailed why.

Boxer's "question" went on for 1275 words, and used up her entire seven minutes. She wrapped up by saying:

"My question is -- and I know I've run out of time, so I will have to take it in writing, but it's a very important one. Don Rumsfeld said no more than six months would this war last. How long will it take now that we've spent $20 billion and we've trained 350,000 Iraqis in counterinsurgency? When, General Petraeus, can they take over their own defense? Call me old-fashioned -- you have a country, you defend it."

No information was elicited. Nevertheless, Boxer issued a press release headlined "SEN. BOXER ASKS GEN. PETRAEUS TO TAKE OFF ROSE-COLORED GLASSES AND FACE REALITIES IN IRAQ" and posted prominently on the front page of her website a link to a video of her "question" under the heading, "Senator Boxer Asks General Petraeus to Face Realities in Iraq."

In theory, the purpose of a congressional hearing is to find out information to guide policy-making. In reality, as those who have suffered through such sessions know, the purpose all-too-often is for politicians to tell witness and television cameras what they think, with little or no acquisition of information.

Cross examination at congressional hearings requires extensive research and careful planning, especially when dealing with sophisticated witnesses who are skilled at remaining technically truthful while revealing little.

Some members of the Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee did press for answers, using short, tough questions.

The questioning by the four Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd -- produced mixed results.

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Perhaps the most discomfiting was Obama who, after talking for 1,181 words and using up all his time, asked a question that had already been raised more than once:

SEN. OBAMA: And if we're there at the same place a year from now, can you please describe for me any circumstances in which you would make a different recommendation and suggest it is now time for us to start withdrawing our troops? Any scenario? Any set of benchmarks that have not been met?

AMB. CROCKER: Senator, I described for Senator Sununu a little bit ago some of the things that I think are going to be very important as we move ahead.

SEN. OBAMA: Can you repeat those? And I know I'm out of time.


Hillary Clinton combined a long, 858-word statement with two modestly revealing questions. One required Petraeus to reaffirm his position that he would be "hard-pressed" to call for the continued presence of a large troop contingent if there were no change in Iraq a year from now; the other allowed Crocker to reiterate a policy of trying to engage other nations in and outside the Middle East region to find solutions to the Iraq war.

Dodd, in turn, quoted a wounded soldier in Walter Reed Hospital who said "'Look, the civilian population,...they know where the IEDs are, they know where the ammo dumps are; they won't share that information with us'... [Are] his views commonly held views about the cooperation from the Iraqi population?"
Petraeus replied, "you can walk around the map, and you could say, looking at it, literally, this is where they'll help you, this is where they won't. The fact is that we are getting a lot more help. I mean, that's the only explanation for the fact that we now have 4,400 weapons caches."

Biden, who is known for a tendency to talk, and talk, long into the night, in fact asked a series of short, to-the-point questions, including:

SEN. BIDEN: Is it not true that the fundamental purpose of the surge, the primary purpose -- political settlement -- has not been met at this point?

AMB. CROCKER: Sir, clearly we do not have a national level of political settlement. It also, I think, is no way reasonable to expect that a surge that reached its full strength just in the middle of June --

And

SEN. BIDEN: If in fact the circumstances on the ground are exactly what they are today in March of next year, will you recommend the continuation of somewhere between 130,000 and 160,000 American troops being shot at, killed and maimed every day there?

GEN. PETRAEUS: Mr. Chairman, I -- that's a pretty big hypothetical --

SEN. BIDEN: Well, I don't think it's hypothetical if they're to stay.

GEN. PETRAEUS: I would be very hard-pressed to recommend that at that point in time.

At the same time, Biden, unlike the other Democratic presidential candidates, had one big advantage: as chairman, he alone could make an opening statement before cameras that did not count against his 7 minute question time. He did so for 1,681 words.

Of course, the number of questions asked does not guarantee that either the queries or the responses add much to the debate. Some of the slowest softballs of the hearing were pitched by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama):

SEN. SESSIONS: Well, I think that's important. There's no one area of that country that's exactly like another area.

GEN. PETRAEUS: That's correct.

SEN. SESSIONS: Each one has to be treated differently. Does it not?

GEN. PETRAEUS: That is correct, sir.

SEN. SESSIONS: And you had that complexity in mind as you developed this strategy. I think it does give us cause for belief that we can make progress. General Petraeus, when your came before us in January before you went to Iraq, you had told me previously that no matter what happened, you would tell the Congress the truth. I asked you that that morning, and you committed to tell the American people the truth as you see it. Have you to the best of your ability told this Congress the truth about the situation in Iraq today?

GEN. PETRAEUS: I have, yes, sir.

SEN. SESSIONS: And General Petraeus, in your opinion, is a circumstance in which -- in your opinion, is this effort in Iraq such that we cannot be successful, that we would be putting more effort in a losing cause if we continue it? Or in your opinion, do we have a realistic chance to be successful in this very important endeavor?

GEN. PETRAEUS: Sir, I believe we have a realistic chance of achieving our objectives in Iraq.


If Sessions put them chest high over the center of the plate, Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia held the ball motionless right in front of the witnesses so that it was impossible to miss:

SEN. ISAKSON: So this is really a recommendation for a way forward to reduce American involvement in combat, increase the involvement of the Iraqi troops, and have an oversight, an overwatch if you will, of those operations by American troops. Is that correct?

GEN. PETRAEUS: That is correct, sir.

SEN. ISAKSON: And the -- and you can't put a timetable on it, because none of us ever can. But certainly we're in reach or in sight of some of those significant goals that were established five years ago that would then trigger the ability to make some of those reductions.

GEN. PETRAEUS: That's correct.


Senator John Warner (R-Va.), who is now on the fence in terms of supporting or opposing the administration, used short, pointed questions to elicit the most striking response of the hearing:

SEN. WARNER: Are you able to say at this time, if we continue what you have laid before the Congress here as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America safer?

GEN. PETRAEUS: Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq.

SEN. WARNER: Does that make America safer?

GEN. PETRAEUS: Sir, I don't know actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind.


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NO one even asks PETRAEUS :
"WHERE ARETHE TROOPS COMING FROM TO STAY IN IRAQ FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS "?

" NO one asked :
Where will the 160,000 replasements come from ".?

" NO one asked:
" IF RECRUMENT IS DOWN AS IT HAS BEEN FOR SIX YREAS WILL YOU OFFER $100,000 BONUSS TO ENLIST?.

NO one asked :
"will WE RENAME OUR ARMED SERVICE'S :
...." THE U.S. MERCENARIES."...................

NO one asked :
if we needed troops could the NEW PRESIDENT
ACTIVAT THE " BLACKWATER GROUP " AS MILATARY FORCES AT SOLDIERS RATE OF PAY.
THAT IS PART OF OUR CONSTATUTION IS IT NOT ?.
THEY ARE TRAINED AND IN THE BATTLE FIELD AREA.?.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 09/19/2007

Uh... Cuckoo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 09/20/2007
- Dejack I'm a Fan of Dejack 5 fans permalink

They also spend a LOT of time patting each other's backs, recalling earlier encounters, reminiscing about things they did for each other and times the spent together, expressing how much respect they have for the witnesses, thanking them for appearing before the committee......yada yada and more yada ad nauseum! I have even written to committee chairman (specifically Levin and Warner) complaining about this tendency, how it robs the Congress and citizens of vital information, and demanded the questioners STOP with all the b.s. amenities and get down to the business of salient questions ONLY. The chairmen should express their appreciation and gratitude once BEFORE the questioning starts,(or privately before or after the hearing) and if any questioner indulges in this kind of platitude and time-waste, they forfeit their time. These witnesses are called to supply information to the representatives of the people and NO amount of time should be wasted in these useless exchanges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 09/19/2007
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

Yep, totally agree. slimey, self-serving synchophants, more concerned with self-congratulations than doing their jobs -- investigation & oversight.

I guess they're so out of practice, since the Repubs were rubber-stamping Cheney & Bush for the last 6 years, they've forgotten what they're there for.

Maybe kicking their smug little asses out of office next year will remind them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 AM on 09/20/2007
- marika I'm a Fan of marika 18 fans permalink

A double, triple ovation for this demand. However, the "representatives of the people" might just as well be representing some far away tribe of lost souls so far as tending to the people's business is concerned.

The people are now treated as collateral damage, the new word for casualties, inundated with flag-waving and TV shows prompting them to agonize over the plight of poor little rich girls who have so much to lose.

You are so right, enough, basta!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 09/20/2007

War Criminals, all of em. Complicitly or conspiratorialy, they are all corrupt.
Labor '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 09/19/2007
- hugs4u I'm a Fan of hugs4u 11 fans permalink

The senators knew that they was not going to be getting honest answers anyhow, so why bother to ask questions to get back lies. It would of been different I think if General Betrayus and crocker had been sworn in and were testifying under oath.
But then Gonzo did and he still lied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 09/19/2007

Here's some questions: Why defend the indefensible? You care about the troops and America? Why not bring them home and protect us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 09/19/2007
- ssg13565 I'm a Fan of ssg13565 27 fans permalink

Two lines of questioning I would have liked to have heard:

1. Several of my Republican colleagues have
alluded to an ad by MoveOn.org. MoveOn.org has
made specific accusations about the way you
have prepared the data for today's hearing.
I would like to give you the opportunity to
address each one of these accusations.

2. The oil revenue sharing bill before the Iraqi
parliament is such a bad deal for Iraq that
none of our other oil producing allies
would agree to such a deal for themselves.
Why do we insist that passing such a law is
a required benchmark?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 09/19/2007

Who says the next President is going to be a Democrat? I agree that the house and Senate will be overwhelmingly Democrat but the very best candidates the Democrats can put up are Hillary and Obama and they simply are NOT presidential material.

General Petraeus, PHD however, is a real certified war hero, and millions of GOPers will fall in love with him, and if he picks Rudy , the hero of 9/11 as vp, he is a shoe in.

The scenario should go something like this:

1. GOP big shots will BEG the General to retire and Run for President;

2. The General will turn on Bu$h and blame him as the scapegoat for everything BAD about the IRAQ WAR, (which is true)

3. Carl Rove will back this sure winner...and use dirty tricks to eliminate all GOP competition...Rove is probably behind the scenes already...

4. His son Stephen will get slightly wounded in IRaq thus causing National prayer and sorrow, and cause the General to 'make a deal' with the radical Shiite Cleric Sadr to pull the troops out of IRAQ bloodlessly....for becoming the new Iraq President...

5. The General will make a deal with the Kurds for all that cheap ass OIL by sharing some of it with Europe and Iraq and China...(Bu$h Cheney are to greedy, they want ALL that OIL...)

6. Bingo , Eisenhower peace and prosparity for 8 years...more or less...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 09/19/2007

The Ambitious Delusions of George Bush and David Petraeus John Nichols
Thu Sep 13, 10:42 PM ET



The Nation -- We now learn that General David Petraeus fancies himself a Dwight Eisenhower for the 21st century.



According to a report in London's Independent newspaper by the reliable Middle East observer Patrick Cockburn, the U.S. military viceroy in Iraq would like very much to return from his mission and -- like the Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe during World War II and of North Atlantic Treaty Organization in its aftermath -- mount a bid for the White House.

Petraeus has apparently been so open in expressing his "long-term interest in running for the US presidency" that Sabah Khadim, a former senior adviser at Iraq's Interior Ministry who worked closely with the general in Baghdad, recalls, "I asked him if he was planning to run in 2008 and he said, 'No, that would be too soon'."

Such are the political calculations of the man whose embrace of President Bush's war has become so complete that he and his aides have radically altered the manner in which statistics are gathered on violence in Iraq in order to foster the fantasy that the fight has taken a turn for the better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 09/19/2007

The best candidate the Democrats can put up is definitely not Hillary or Obama. It is undoubtedly Joe Biden of Delaware, the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate. The Democrats need to wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 09/20/2007

>>...but the very best candidates the Democrats can put up are Hillary and Obama and they simply are NOT presidential material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 09/20/2007

"...but the very best candidates the Democrats can put up are Hillary and Obama and they simply are NOT presidential material."

Presidential material? Bush is "presidential material"?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 09/20/2007
- Jazz42 I'm a Fan of Jazz42 6 fans permalink

the oil

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 09/20/2007
- RSU I'm a Fan of RSU 96 fans permalink
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I'm not sure where you are coming from but you do realize that the oil revenue sharing plan is a Democrat demand?

They would be asking themselves that question.

I do think it's a good one though and I'd like to hear the answer as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 09/20/2007
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

ssg13565 --

Good Qs. I would add;

1) Mr. Crocker, has anyone been held accountable for the missing $$$ billions which waere widely reported? If not, why?

2) Gen. Petreaus, why are the Blackwater troops in Iraq better paid and equipped than regular soldiers. The Pentagon has had 4 1/2 years to get it right. What's the problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 09/20/2007
- rras I'm a Fan of rras 2 fans permalink

(3) Gen. Petreaus, has the Army discovered the reason you number one aid took his own life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 09/20/2007
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