Black Republicans Sharply Divided Over GOP's Shunning Of Black Voter Forum

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First Posted: 09-20-07 10:22 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Reaction among black conservatives is divided over news this week that Republican presidential frontrunners had pulled out of a long-scheduled debate at a historically black college.

"Many people think that Republicans don't care about the black community," Don Scoggins, President of Republicans for Black Empowerment, told the Huffington Post. "I know that's not true, but it's hard to dispel when have we major candidates who say they have scheduling conflicts."

Other black conservatives were far more forgiving.

"I truly believe that Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and John McCain can't make it because of scheduling conflicts," said black conservative pundit La Shawn Barber on her blog Wednesday. "I'm hopelessly naïve, I guess."

The Huffington Post reported on Monday that former senator Fred Thompson was the last of the Republican frontrunners to decline an invitation to debate at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Md. The debate, scheduled for Sept. 27 and sponsored by PBS, will include Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS), former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), and Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO). The campaign of Alan Keyes, who only entered the race last week, did not say whether he would attend, or whether he was invited.

Tavis Smiley, a PBS TV host who is moderating the debate, earlier expressed doubts that Republican front runners had scheduling conflicts that prevented them from attending. His skepticism was shared by Scoggins of Republicans for Black Empowerment.

"This wasn't something that just came up, this has been planned for months," Scoggins said, noting that the Morgan State debate was announced at the same time Democrats debated at Howard University in Washington DC in June.

"For the major candidates, considering how much time they have to spend on fundraising, they probably feel that the black community doesn't offer much of a return, and they spend their time elsewhere," he said.

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But the leader of another black Republican organization said Scoggins' disappointment was misplaced.

"The message the Democrats are sending to black children is that they should celebrate their victimhood rather than get a good education, become prosperous, and god forbid vote for a Republican," said Frances Rice, the chairwoman of the National Black Republican Association. "If you do that, they will castigate you as an Uncle Tom, an Aunt Jemima, or as a House N-word, when it's the Democrats who are devastating our communities. That is what we should be talking about."

She argued that the debate has been stacked against Republican candidates.

"I have no idea what Tavis Smiley will do, but I know his behavior and conduct in the past has been highly supportive of Democrats, and highly critical of Republicans," Rice added. "There are people who just want an opportunity to beat up on Republicans."

But Scoggins questioned the notion that the forum would put Republicans in front of a hostile audience. He said that groups like his had been asked to bring in audience members who would be receptive to the Republican message. More importantly, he said that Republican candidates should be ready to brave waters that might at first appear choppy.

"The community has matured and they're ready to hear what people have to say," he argued. "You can't assume a black audience will not be well received, they have to break the ice so we can move on."

Scoggins said he hoped that Republican Party leaders could still prevail upon the top Republican hopefuls to debate at Morgan State. The Republican candidates have also been invited to a November debate hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News.

Georgella Muirhead, a spokeswoman for the CBC Institute, said she could not say at this time which Republican candidates had accepted or declined the invitation, but said an announcement was forthcoming.

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- JackNasty I'm a Fan of JackNasty 71 fans permalink
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I can understand Black Republicans. The GOP used to be the party of Lincoln. It hasn't proposed any anti-Black constitutional amendments recently.

What I cannot fathom are gay Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 09/20/2007
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 86 fans permalink

are you kidding?
Bush is the first gay republican president.
If you need a lAW to stop you from marrying another DUDE- ---

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 09/20/2007
- carol I'm a Fan of carol 10 fans permalink

I live in a border state and know from my Latino friends that any Hispanic man (less often a woman) who shows leadership potential and willingness to compromise or be bought is recruited like crazy by the white dominated local Republican party. I presume the same happens with Black local and state leaders. They get razzle dazzled and big campaign bucks to act as shills and pretend they're equal and respected members of the gang. IMO, any Black, Hispanic, or gay individual who joins and, god forbid, has a leadership role in this Republican party is like a Jew working for the Nazis and claiming he didn't actually pull the levers to release the gas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 09/20/2007

"Hopelessly naive" or just Uncle Tom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 09/20/2007

Speaking of Black Rethuglicans....did anyone notice how IRONIC it was of Condi Rice saying that Olmert and Abbas should not be meeting just to meet for "PHOTOGRAPHIC OPPORTUNITIES!"

Bush, Condi & the rest of the rethug gang have done nothing but this for the past 7 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 09/20/2007
- richsmith I'm a Fan of richsmith 13 fans permalink

Should be an oxymoron, but it's not. Anyone with a sense of decency should no longer have anything to do with the Republican Party. Something I just can't get clear in my mind is the creature known as a "Black Republican".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 09/20/2007

Let' see. You're a black member of a group of people who is, by actions (which speak louder than words)indicating they dislike, and feel superior to, blacks. If I were in their shoes, I wouldn't need the KKK putting a plateload of crap in front of me to realize that I'm not a welcome guest at the dinner party!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 09/20/2007
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i could never understand why any african-american would be a republican, but then again i don'y know why so many whites are republican either......

i do think that it is a total slap in the face to not want to present your message of what you want for america to a large segment of our society that DESERVES to know how the candidates feel on issues that affect their daily lives. i would love to see what is on the schedule for these people that they can't make it and when exactly that it was scheduled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 09/20/2007
- Bendersky I'm a Fan of Bendersky 3 fans permalink

The idea of black republicans always fascinates me, kinda like the Log Cabin Republicans. For them, and for mosr people of their ilk, it always comes down to the money. They'd rather sell their own down the river then face the contradiction of who and what they're supporting.

The handful of Uncle Tom repubs out there always say the same things. Things like: "I know the republicans care about black Americans, but..." I work in the field of psychology, and it's my experience that when a person, or a group of people, keep repeating the same thing over and over, it usually means that they believe the exact opposite of their words, but are doing their best to convince themselves otherwise. Republicans support black people just so long as they get their vote and stay out of their neighborhood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 09/20/2007
- Centaur I'm a Fan of Centaur 2 fans permalink

Why are there so-called "black republicans?"
Here are the reasons..SELF-HATRED! NAIEVETE'!
GULLIBILITY and last but not a bit least- GREED!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 09/20/2007
- amanda85 I'm a Fan of amanda85 108 fans permalink

Black Republican = KAPO
Gay Republican = KAPO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo_%28concentration_camp%29

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 09/20/2007

In response to Frances Rice's spin in the article above....Are you KIDDING me????

Black conservative rethugs are like Log Cabin rethugs...they care nothing about the groups they represent!

Black rethugs want blacks to force themselves to do better...that's fine, BUT we all know there are circumstances where you can try everything in your power to succeed, but it just won't happen and the rethug response is...too bad, you're on your own, keep trying!

The dem response would be, we understand and we'll help you with tools (education, grants, etc.) to help you get to a point where you're able to succeed...but we need to work together!

Kind of like this whole privatizing social security...the rethugs want to change the rules midstream and say, we have no money left in the fund (thanks to Iraq's invasion) so start saving now at your low paying, low benefits job and remember your raise, should there be one, won't help cover the cost of paying for health insurance, food, rent, etc. oh and by the way we're increasing the costs of all of those too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 09/20/2007

It's commonly referred to as "crabs at the bottom of the bucket". The crab at the bottom is using any means necessary, even so far as to drag the others in the bucket, back down, to climb to the top on their backs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 09/21/2007

The idea that Democrats encourage black children to "celebrate their victimhood," or something of that nature, is worth debating, if Republicans have the guts to do it. What exactly does that idea mean and how exactly are these guys offering a better vision?

C'mon, Repos, let's hear your spiel. Either stand up and sell it or stop whining about how you constantly try to "reach out to Blacks" but are not received. You claim to have a better tale, but you seem afraid to tell it. I can think of just two explanations for this: either your narrative skills are pathetic, or your story just plain sucks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 09/20/2007
- nihilon x I'm a Fan of nihilon x 39 fans permalink

"The idea that Democrats encourage black children to "celebrate their victimhood," or something of that nature, is worth debating,"

Exactly.

I see that argument online all of the time -- why are so many Republicans so afraid to say it publically if that's what they truly believe?

The internet is the new white sheet and hood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 09/21/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

It's interesting. Perhaps this Black audience (Black college students) might have been very receptive to a message of free enterprise, responsible citizenship, low taxes, and growth.

It's unfortunate that the party, not unlike the Democratic party, has a lot of white supremacist baggage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 09/21/2007
- nofltwlt I'm a Fan of nofltwlt 4 fans permalink

Why? Why are black republicans torn on this issue; what the fuck is the matter with these people? And, is there any such thing as a black republican? Do conservatice republicans identify with blacks? Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 09/20/2007

I'm not black and I'm not white either. When I asked my black friend how he could be a Republican his fiancee got a little angry. I thought it was a legitimate question. Only when I went to his wedding did I realize that he and her came from a wealthy upbringing even though most of his close friends did not.

Howard Zinn attempts to explain this phenomenon when he taught at a black college. He says an oppressive group in power will always use a very small slice of the oppressed minority to act as a buffer and a facade of moral righteousness. Essentially, they treat a select group well, as long as they stay in line and keep the others in line, while oppressing the entire minority race as a whole. This happens whenever there is oppression in any society.

How many Black Republicans are in Congress? When I checked--none. It seems as though no matter how hard a black person tries to fit into the Republican ideology--the raison de'tre of that ideology has no choice but to ultimately reject them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 09/20/2007

I wonder if KKK Senator Byrd will participate??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 09/20/2007
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