Black Republicans Sharply Divided Over GOP's Shunning Of Black Voter Forum

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First Posted: 09-20-07 10:22 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Reaction among black conservatives is divided over news this week that Republican presidential frontrunners had pulled out of a long-scheduled debate at a historically black college.

"Many people think that Republicans don't care about the black community," Don Scoggins, President of Republicans for Black Empowerment, told the Huffington Post. "I know that's not true, but it's hard to dispel when have we major candidates who say they have scheduling conflicts."

Other black conservatives were far more forgiving.

"I truly believe that Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and John McCain can't make it because of scheduling conflicts," said black conservative pundit La Shawn Barber on her blog Wednesday. "I'm hopelessly naïve, I guess."

The Huffington Post reported on Monday that former senator Fred Thompson was the last of the Republican frontrunners to decline an invitation to debate at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Md. The debate, scheduled for Sept. 27 and sponsored by PBS, will include Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS), former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), and Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO). The campaign of Alan Keyes, who only entered the race last week, did not say whether he would attend, or whether he was invited.

Tavis Smiley, a PBS TV host who is moderating the debate, earlier expressed doubts that Republican front runners had scheduling conflicts that prevented them from attending. His skepticism was shared by Scoggins of Republicans for Black Empowerment.

"This wasn't something that just came up, this has been planned for months," Scoggins said, noting that the Morgan State debate was announced at the same time Democrats debated at Howard University in Washington DC in June.

"For the major candidates, considering how much time they have to spend on fundraising, they probably feel that the black community doesn't offer much of a return, and they spend their time elsewhere," he said.

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But the leader of another black Republican organization said Scoggins' disappointment was misplaced.

"The message the Democrats are sending to black children is that they should celebrate their victimhood rather than get a good education, become prosperous, and god forbid vote for a Republican," said Frances Rice, the chairwoman of the National Black Republican Association. "If you do that, they will castigate you as an Uncle Tom, an Aunt Jemima, or as a House N-word, when it's the Democrats who are devastating our communities. That is what we should be talking about."

She argued that the debate has been stacked against Republican candidates.

"I have no idea what Tavis Smiley will do, but I know his behavior and conduct in the past has been highly supportive of Democrats, and highly critical of Republicans," Rice added. "There are people who just want an opportunity to beat up on Republicans."

But Scoggins questioned the notion that the forum would put Republicans in front of a hostile audience. He said that groups like his had been asked to bring in audience members who would be receptive to the Republican message. More importantly, he said that Republican candidates should be ready to brave waters that might at first appear choppy.

"The community has matured and they're ready to hear what people have to say," he argued. "You can't assume a black audience will not be well received, they have to break the ice so we can move on."

Scoggins said he hoped that Republican Party leaders could still prevail upon the top Republican hopefuls to debate at Morgan State. The Republican candidates have also been invited to a November debate hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News.

Georgella Muirhead, a spokeswoman for the CBC Institute, said she could not say at this time which Republican candidates had accepted or declined the invitation, but said an announcement was forthcoming.

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- nunzia I'm a Fan of nunzia 31 fans permalink

Black Repugnican. That's another phrase for "big fish in small pond", or opportunistic, greedy ingrate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 09/20/2007
- maninla I'm a Fan of maninla 2 fans permalink

That's it? That's the article?

The title of the article is Black Republicans Sharply Devided...­and the best they can come up with are a bunch of nobody black GOP'ers that not even I have heard of.

No Michael Steele, no Armstrong Williams, no Colin Powell, no Condi Rice, no Kenneth Blackwell, no Alan Keyes (he's running again, this outta be good for a laugh or two), no Larry Elder. This is exactly what I've come to expect. Don't speak out loud about the party that pays you even if it means looking even worse among AA's those you say you want to reach.

"Republican candidates should be ready to brave waters that might at first appear choppy." Indeed, if you aren't even going to try and make the attempt, then why should we? After all and let's be honest, considering the long GOP history of southern strategies, caging and voting rights violations (just for starters), it goes without saying that if anyone should be going out of their way (kissing ass) to bridge the gap, it's the GOP.

You go first, GOP. You show me you want my vote. Yes, you have a ton of hoops to jump through, but that's all your fault for continuing to pull the football away at the last second.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 09/20/2007
- rras I'm a Fan of rras 2 fans permalink

I guess that we're a bunch of dumb butts. I know how hard it was to convince my parents that the Democrat party was who we should back but after the dirty tricks the republicans pulled on thousands of Black servicemen with the voter caging in Florida I know where my family stands 100 percent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 09/20/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.

The L.A. Times, they called him that

'Cause he's not authentic like me.

Yeah, the guy from the L.A. paper

Said he makes guilty whites feel good

They'll vote for him, and not for me

'Cause he's not from the hood.

See, real black men, like Snoop Dog,

Or me, or Farrakhan

Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.

Not come in late and won!

[refrain] Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.

The L.A. Times, they called him that

'Cause he's black, but not authentically.

Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.

The L.A. Times, they called him that

'Cause he's black, but not authentically.

Some say Barack's "articulate"

And bright and new and "clean."

The media sure loves this guy,

A white interloper's dream!


But, when you vote for president,

Watch out, and don't be fooled!

Don't vote the Magic Negro in --

'Cause -- 'cause I won't have nothing after all these years of sacrifice

And I won't get justice. This is about justice. This isn't about me, it's about justice.

It's about buffet. I don't have no buffet and there won't be any church contributions,

And there'll be no cash in the collection plate.

There ain't gonna be no cash money, no walkin' around money, no phoning money.

Now, Barack going to come in here and --

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705080003

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 09/20/2007
- nihilon x I'm a Fan of nihilon x 39 fans permalink

To be fair, Barack has walked the walk as well.

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As the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama had his pick of top law firms. He chose Miner's Chicago civil rights firm, where he represented community organizers, discrimination victims and black voters trying to force a redrawing of city ward boundaries.

Like many lawyers, Obama never took part in a trial. He spent most of his nine-year career working as part of a team, drawing up contracts, briefs and other legal papers.
Today in Americas

The firm of Miner Barnhill & Galland, many of whose members have Harvard and Yale law degrees, has a reputation that fits nicely into the resume of a future presidential candidate.

"It's a real do-good firm," says Fay Clayton, lead counsel for the National Organization for Women in a landmark lawsuit aimed at stopping abortion clinic violence. "Barack and that firm were a perfect fit. He wasn't going to make as much money there as he would at a LaSalle Street firm or in New York, but money was never Barack's first priority anyway."

The firm offered another advantage to Obama. It was close to the political action.

Miner was Chicago's corporation counsel under Harold Washington, the city's first black mayor, in the 1980s when Washington was battling for control of the City Council against remnants of the once-mighty Machine.

Miner introduced Obama to a number of people in politics. Obama already knew many others, having worked as an organizer in the black community before he entered law school.

Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/20/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-Attorney-at-Law.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 09/21/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

What would be funnier would be similar to conan Obrien's bit where the mouth of a politician is changed to an offstage actor.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/231/callmeharoldqr5.jpg

Except have a Black Actress's mouth being used in this model's photo....H­A!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 09/20/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

I think Travis should snatch a portion of the anti-Harold Ford commercial (racist closet case Ken Mehlman made.)
Open the debate with the blonde woman saying

"call me...JOHN. FRED, MITT, RUDY"

the finale could be Rush Limbaugh's "the MAGIC NEGRO."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/20/2007

' "The message the Democrats are sending to black children is that they should celebrate their victimhood rather than get a good education, become prosperous, and god forbid vote for a Republican," said Frances Rice.'
What bull.....
Why can't these conservatives be honest. Who more than any other interest group use that 'victimhood' more than corporations hijacking the government for their own end where the tax payers are forever paying for their greedy misdeeds of scamming the American people. The Great Depression, all kinds of bailouts, low taxes, deregulations, privalization of government & military, free unrestricted and unaccountable markets, subprime mortgages, S&L, Enron, etc. - all this happened on Republicans' watch. But when Democrats want good education for our children, health care for all, equality and fairness for all, accountability, then we are accused of some repub talking point of celebrating 'victimhood'. This person is shameful and truly dishonest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 09/20/2007
- AnnArky I'm a Fan of AnnArky 34 fans permalink
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Q: WTF is a "Black Republican?"

A: Confused, deluded, gullible, whitey-wannabe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 09/20/2007

Don't know why folks are frett'n this so. Why beg these white men to stand before black people whose only intent it is anyway to continue to perpetuate the racial and bigoted divide in this nation? I think black people are stupid for constantly worrying over this, begging them. They need to be totally ignored. And black people who vote for them are idiots. And I think black people who join the republican party and keep that party the way it is, are even bigger idiots! They might as well be walking with a noose around their necks. If these republicans don't want or need the black vote, great!! It only says where their true presidential canvas lies, if you want to put the word 'presidential' in there -- OF the whites, BY the whites and FOR the whites, so help them God. And they are running for president of the United States? Go figure. If with men like these continuing to run our country, like Bush, we surely remain two Americas -- black America and white America. There will never be American unity, equal justice, all men created equal, etc., as far as they are concerned. There really is no such thing to them. Their snubs are simply a 21st century way of indicating their 18th and 19th century mindset towards blacks. And until just one truly reverses that mindset, it will always be, it will never change, and so here we are in 2007 still begging and bowing and moving to the side, as unfortunately, it only brings a parallel to the Jena 6 case, and the march today. It is this same mindset as to why our thousands of black people are marching in protest and outrage today in Jena, La. Unbelievable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 09/20/2007
- jaschrod I'm a Fan of jaschrod 21 fans permalink

Why is there a black forum in the first place? Why do you not join all other forums with other people of other races? It appears to me that you are the one that is separating the races. Do you consider yourself a people, or a color?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 09/21/2007

I'll offer an explanation. The reason we have our own forums is that if we didn't, none of our concerns would be addressed.

And I suppose you're referring to self-segregation to some extent. I'll say there's definitely something culturally different between mainstream Americans and most blacks. After spending a forced 6-8 hours with FRIENDS, it's good to get back home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/21/2007

I don't know where Frances Rice is getting here info, but it's her notion that 'blacks who disagree with her position are not intelligent or independent enough to vote' (not a direct quote) that makes me worry if she's bought into the notion of black inferiority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/20/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

KE

There is a streak of "white supremacist" sentiment in both parties. I wouldn't be surprise that a black women (Frances Rice), who by the way is married to a white bigot, thinks that skin color somehow determines the way a person acts, thinks, or sees the world. Makes you think that interracial are very detrimental to Blacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 09/21/2007

I agree about the streak in both parties.

In college, a friend told me I was so radical, I'd probably married a white man just because of the shear irony of life. I have another friend who's grandmother married a white man when she was young, he's her grandfather as far as she's concerned. But she said her grandmother was the biggest reverse-racist anyone could ever meet, and has told her in his presence not to marry a white man.

I guess it depends on the individual, but mostly because I'm not in the mood to argue with the...you know who...I won't tell you what I told my brother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/21/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

Here's a note for future Historians

Cheney/Bush Administration wasn't just the Dark Ages 2, it was when REASON, TEMPERMENT, ENLIGHTENMENT got sucked down a Motherf*ckin' BLACK HOLE of IGNORANCE, FEAR, and HATE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/20/2007

QBEAR another libby fag lover

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 09/20/2007
- Rand I'm a Fan of Rand 54 fans permalink

AVERAGE JOE: Another moronic bigot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 09/20/2007
- oafishcad I'm a Fan of oafishcad 45 fans permalink

Black Republicans are torn? Maybe they should meet in some room somewherre and iron out their differences. There can't be that many.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/20/2007

The Republicans feel they already have it sewed up in the white south Nascar dad nation. Why would they want to screw that up by showing some respect to blacks? No doubt they don't want to be videotaped pandering to black voters, someone would use it against them in their southern campaigns.

I have to agree, for the life of me I cannot understand why any self-respecting black person could support any Republican candidate, much less BE Republican. That black guy on Hardball, Ron Christie, seems to me the epitome of black denial. Is he "trying to be white"? Does he have OJ syndrome, only wanting to be with white people? Why align with a group that disrespects you? I don't get it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/20/2007

"It's the Democrats who are devastating our communitie­s."

Isn't that typically Republican? She complains about other blacks celebrating victimhood, and then in the same breath plays the VICTIM! It's not black people's fault, it's the DEMOCRATS!

Sounds like she's in the party she belongs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/20/2007

Zaphod, is that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 09/20/2007
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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Well this is extremely disappointing. And the GOP wonders why donations are down. This is just as bad as the Dems who won't debate on Fox. How is it that we've gotten to the point where candidates for national office dictate,(or collude may be a better word), how and where they will debate?

It's a complete and total disgrace by all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/20/2007
- rcampbell I'm a Fan of rcampbell 9 fans permalink

NewRiver

I believe a significant part of the problem is the OUTRAGEOUS length of these campaigns. We still have another several months before the primary elections. The parties' candidates will be pretty much chosen by early Feb., so we'll then get another nine months of non-stop ads, debates before every conceivable constituency, appearances on radio/TV talkfests and every nights'news on every network.

I remember when each party had their nominating convention in mid-summer of election years. The candidate was actually selected there and then and not before. The "official" campaign season started immediately after Labor Day and the election came in November. BAM! It was done.

When did this all change? I don't remember that transition? What were the reasons to change that process? Was there a concern that we were getting candidates chosen by "..smoke-f­illed backroom politics..­.? Oh, my, how scandalous! Were we so self-absorbed that we, as citizens, felt we had to have our nose in the middle of this process?

This is NOT a better system. Each candidate now has to be continually raising millions upon millions of dollars just to compete in the primary process. They do this by pandering to special interest groups of all stripes. The actual nominees then have to raise even more in a second long round of fundraisers. This is madness!

We got John Kennedy and Richard Nixon the old way and we got Bill Clinton and George W Bush the new way. Are the candidates any better? Are the Presidents any better?

We need:

Federally finanaced campaigns
or

No contributions from businesses or unions or PACs or lobbyists--only individuals.
Free TV time for campaign ads w/equal time to both major paties.

Ninety-day campaign duration.

Corporations are NOT people and Money is NOT speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 09/20/2007
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