Black Republicans Sharply Divided Over GOP's Shunning Of Black Voter Forum

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First Posted: 09-20-07 10:22 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Reaction among black conservatives is divided over news this week that Republican presidential frontrunners had pulled out of a long-scheduled debate at a historically black college.

"Many people think that Republicans don't care about the black community," Don Scoggins, President of Republicans for Black Empowerment, told the Huffington Post. "I know that's not true, but it's hard to dispel when have we major candidates who say they have scheduling conflicts."

Other black conservatives were far more forgiving.

"I truly believe that Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and John McCain can't make it because of scheduling conflicts," said black conservative pundit La Shawn Barber on her blog Wednesday. "I'm hopelessly naïve, I guess."

The Huffington Post reported on Monday that former senator Fred Thompson was the last of the Republican frontrunners to decline an invitation to debate at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Md. The debate, scheduled for Sept. 27 and sponsored by PBS, will include Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS), former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), and Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO). The campaign of Alan Keyes, who only entered the race last week, did not say whether he would attend, or whether he was invited.

Tavis Smiley, a PBS TV host who is moderating the debate, earlier expressed doubts that Republican front runners had scheduling conflicts that prevented them from attending. His skepticism was shared by Scoggins of Republicans for Black Empowerment.

"This wasn't something that just came up, this has been planned for months," Scoggins said, noting that the Morgan State debate was announced at the same time Democrats debated at Howard University in Washington DC in June.

"For the major candidates, considering how much time they have to spend on fundraising, they probably feel that the black community doesn't offer much of a return, and they spend their time elsewhere," he said.

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But the leader of another black Republican organization said Scoggins' disappointment was misplaced.

"The message the Democrats are sending to black children is that they should celebrate their victimhood rather than get a good education, become prosperous, and god forbid vote for a Republican," said Frances Rice, the chairwoman of the National Black Republican Association. "If you do that, they will castigate you as an Uncle Tom, an Aunt Jemima, or as a House N-word, when it's the Democrats who are devastating our communities. That is what we should be talking about."

She argued that the debate has been stacked against Republican candidates.

"I have no idea what Tavis Smiley will do, but I know his behavior and conduct in the past has been highly supportive of Democrats, and highly critical of Republicans," Rice added. "There are people who just want an opportunity to beat up on Republicans."

But Scoggins questioned the notion that the forum would put Republicans in front of a hostile audience. He said that groups like his had been asked to bring in audience members who would be receptive to the Republican message. More importantly, he said that Republican candidates should be ready to brave waters that might at first appear choppy.

"The community has matured and they're ready to hear what people have to say," he argued. "You can't assume a black audience will not be well received, they have to break the ice so we can move on."

Scoggins said he hoped that Republican Party leaders could still prevail upon the top Republican hopefuls to debate at Morgan State. The Republican candidates have also been invited to a November debate hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News.

Georgella Muirhead, a spokeswoman for the CBC Institute, said she could not say at this time which Republican candidates had accepted or declined the invitation, but said an announcement was forthcoming.

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Black republicans make as much sense as log cabin republicans both are oxymoron's. Well lets just put plain and simple they are morons. They don't vote for their best interest they vote republican because of reasons even they can't articulate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/20/2007

I actually know a few black republicans who defend the republican boycott. When I ask them why they aren't insulted by the republican neglect, to a man they responded with stereotypes of black shortcomings. It occured to me their defense of republican actions involved self hatred as common theme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 09/20/2007
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I am amazed whenever any black person, gay person, poor person, middle class person, or intelligent person joins the Republican party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 09/20/2007
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

That only happens when they are filled with insufferable amounts of fear or greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 09/20/2007
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Wow, there's still black republicans? Are they masochists or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/20/2007
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Democrats do patronize blacks. They do expect the black vote while offering little in return. And there is something to be said for the notion that liberals celebrate victim-hood although it is usually grossly overstated.

Black Conservative Republicans? I can't think of a better oxymoron. The GOP doesn't care about middle and lower class whites. Black voters don't register and I mean that literally (just look at how they were disenfranchised in Florida and Ohio in 2000 and 2004).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 09/20/2007
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 74 fans permalink
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Kudos for your honesty all the way around!

One small technical correction: The term "black conservative republican" isn't exactly an oxymoron, like (say) "military intelligence" or "jumbo shrimp" or "compassionate conservatism".

But black conservative republicans are, in fact, morons - and oxy[gen] deprivation may have something to do with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/20/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

"Democrats do patronize blacks. They do expect the black vote while offering little in return. And there is something to be said for the notion that liberals celebrate victim-hood although it is usually grossly overstated."

The same can be said for white feminists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 09/21/2007
- bdl0715 I'm a Fan of bdl0715 8 fans permalink

I think you're allowed to be a black republican if you have lots of money. But then, so many blacks that become wealthy suddenly forget they are black. All my black friends are in the lower economic class, so they tend to be democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/20/2007

If Republicans fear a snowman, how much more do you think they fear a black man?

They only have balls in front of friendly audiences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/20/2007
- oafishcad I'm a Fan of oafishcad 45 fans permalink

Bush for example-he only speaks to republicans or soldiers. He has never been President of the United States, only of the select few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/20/2007
- opines I'm a Fan of opines 29 fans permalink

The political calculation by the Republicans, simply put, is that it is more important to signal to their cracker, red state base that they will continue their 'give 'em nothing' program for blacks than chasing after some black votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/20/2007
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 74 fans permalink
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Exactly so!

This is pure Rovian calculation...just playing the numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 09/20/2007
- dwillisno1 I'm a Fan of dwillisno1 57 fans permalink
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Nailt it!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 09/20/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 650 fans permalink
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Black Repubs, Log Cabin repubs, Jews for Jesus...enough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 09/20/2007
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 74 fans permalink
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but actually all of his original followers ( with the exception of Luke) were Jews For Jesus.

Jews for Hitler would be a better example...only I just made it up, otay?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/20/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 650 fans permalink
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OkeyDokey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 09/20/2007
- NYCIC I'm a Fan of NYCIC 8 fans permalink
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She said all that foolishness with a very serious straight face. Impressive, most impressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 09/20/2007

It's kinda like an indian cowboy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 09/20/2007
- byrdland49 I'm a Fan of byrdland49 5 fans permalink
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La Shawn Barber doesn't deserve any publicity at all...did anyone see her on the Daily Show Monday night where Samantha Bee just let this tool open her mouth and the most ridiculous, pitiful comments came pouring out. When asked here thoughts on a woman president, the highly evolved Ms Barber said that she felt it was important that we have a big, strong masculine president. Not competent of course...just big. And strong. To protect her pitifully self-demeaning ass....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 09/20/2007
- Wanjiru I'm a Fan of Wanjiru 13 fans permalink
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...I saw La Shawn Barber on The Daily Show as well....I threw up in my mouth...then changed my mind and threw back up on her face on the TV screen...after all the advances the feminist movement has made to get us here today...this idiot talks about how women are "nurturers" and she doesn't want a nurturer for a president.....was she being sarcastic in this instance too.....what a #$%^&*ng pathetic puss....
PS:...hey nurturer, come wipe this vomit off my TV screen........

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/20/2007
- maninla I'm a Fan of maninla 2 fans permalink
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Give LaShawn Barber a break, she's got her work cut out for her!! As a black woman in the GOP, she's got twice as much self-loathing to do as most.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 09/20/2007
- ipitombi I'm a Fan of ipitombi 3 fans permalink

Black Republicans? definition: self-deluding uppity morons, i.e., Supreme Court pervert-Justice Clarence Uncle Tom. You deserve the spit in your faces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 09/20/2007

What a racist comment. I hope the wind blows it back in your face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/20/2007
- ipitombi I'm a Fan of ipitombi 3 fans permalink

...and back to your face, you chimpy-ass

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 09/20/2007
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

"self-deluding uppity morons"

Uppity?

Typical white liberal racist motherfucker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 09/21/2007
- Qbear I'm a Fan of Qbear 51 fans permalink

Sum it up in a word....DISSED!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 09/20/2007
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((( "I truly believe that Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and John McCain can't make it because of scheduling conflicts," said black conservative pundit La Shawn Barber on her blog Wednesday. "I'm hopelessly naïve, I guess." )))

No, you're not "hopelessly naive," you're willfully disingenuous. Nobody's buying the "scheduling conflicts" ruse except for the few select pundits who owe their careers to the uniqueness of being both black and Republican (see also Larry Elder). They'll do anything to white wash the simple fact that the Republican Party is the exclusive power domain of straight white males. Gays, women, and minorities need not apply (this means you, too, Alan Keyes).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 09/20/2007
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 74 fans permalink
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buddhistmonkey opines: No, you're not "hopelessly naive," you're willfully disingenuous.

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Um...it seems pretty clear to me that she was being sarcastic because of her disappointment (as a black conservative) rather than disingenous.

But here...you're a monkey and a buddhist to boot. Go peel this banana for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/2kohjc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 09/20/2007
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You might want to go back and reread that link you posted. I didn't detect so much as a hint of sarcasm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 09/20/2007
- NYCIC I'm a Fan of NYCIC 8 fans permalink
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What happened to elder's tv show?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 09/20/2007

Hello when your vision is such that your looking at both ends of your nostrils with a divided perspective that your also seeing the world as the same, somewhat like seeing life through a kaleidescope?
All those pretty images and no defining image to anchor your life onto, no wonder hes sounds so blatantly anal retentive, his reality and convictions are confusing him and those who listen to him.
An excellent candidate for a remake of the movie ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOOS NEST, the hard part in casting is what role he would play?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 09/20/2007

one of the guards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/20/2007

In reading Frances Rice's comments about the possibility of Republican's being beat up at the debate has the sound of an EXCUSE...!!!

If the Republican candidates are not willing to address African-American and Latino voters because of their fear of being "beat up" is lame at its best and pathetic at its worst.

If the Republican candidates want their message to be heard, then they need to do whatever it takes to have it heard and if that means they have to endure some hostility, then so be it.

Being a Democrat myself, does not mean that I'm not interested in what the Republican candidates have to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 09/20/2007
- oafishcad I'm a Fan of oafishcad 45 fans permalink

Does that mean they were afraid of being beat up by gays at the gay debates they also rejected? I'd like to have seen that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/20/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

Why there not the ones who said "don't ask, don't tell".

Both MAJOR party's are a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/20/2007
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Now, now. Let's not be so unkind to the GOP.

After all, they claim they take a wide stance that includes everyone--the GOP is one huge bus!

The Republicans for Black Empowerment and the National Black Republican Association always have those two little seats in the back corner.

The luggage racks are reserved for the Republican National Hispanic Assembly.

And, of course, the Log Cabin Republicans are hidden in the luggage compartment (they're so accustomed to small, closed, dark environments.)

GOP Diversity! What more could a minority want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 AM on 09/21/2007
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

Yes, all the Republicans candidates are cowards.

What I find intersting is the idea that they would all be beaten up by the audience. Where to the GOPers get their ideas. Last mass political frenzy of that sort I saw was when George's henchmen were rioting outside the registrar of voters in Florida in 2000. They certainly cannot believe that everyone is like them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 09/21/2007

You want to know they have to say watch FOX NEWS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 09/20/2007
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