Bill O'Reilly's "Imus Moment" Goes Wide

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First Posted: 09-26-07 08:24 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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2007-09-26-OReillySylvia.JPGLast Friday evening, Media Matters published an entry about Bill O'Reilly, focusing on comments made by O'Reilly on his Sept. 19, 2007, radio show. O'Reilly was talking about going to dinner with Al Sharpton at Sylvia's, a famous restaurant in Harlem, in the context of generally discussing the black experience in America and the perception of black culture by whites. It is, however, the perception of black culture by one white — O'Reillly — which is at issue here with this statement :

"[W]e went to Sylvia's, a very famous restaurant in Harlem. I had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful. They all watch The Factor. You know, when Sharpton and I walked in, it was like a big commotion and everything, but everybody was very nice.

"And I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship."

Media Matters has the full clip and quote here.

The item was picked up across the liberal media, at TPM and Kos, and then wider, by the Village Voice and the Onion AV Club. Then this week, CNN picked it up — wondering if it was his "Imus Moment" — running numerous segments about it with Rick Sanchez on Monday evening and "American Morning" yesterday, followed by more with Sanchez yesterday afternoon and last night. On MSNBC, both Keith Olbermann and Joe Scarborough addressed the episode, on Monday night and Tuesday morning respectively. Today, the moment goes mainstream, with an AP story by David Bauder — picked up in hundreds of newspapers across the country.

This story, it would seem, has tipped. So what happens next?

That remains to be seen. So far, O'Reilly has defended himself, both to Sanchez on CNN and on his own website, calling Media Matters a "far-left smear website." Fox echoed that line in its statement to the AP ("This is nothing more than left-wing outlets stirring up false racism accusations for ratings"). But it 's out of their hands now.

Now, it's about how the story plays out — and catches on. With this AP pickup, the story will be blasted wide across blogs and other newspaper outlets (the NYT's Mike Nizza wrote of it on "The Lede" blog last night; the NYDN has their own story today). Watch for it on network news tonight — ABC News has their own story on it today — and that will no doubt trickle down to the morning shows — and their huge mainstream audiences. CNN and MSNBC have obviously found it, and it's likely that O'Reilly, never shy about defending himself, will make this an issue on his show. Letterman, Leno, Stewart, Colbert, Conan and the gang are sure to follow. Also, this is just a hunch, but someone will probably ask people like Kanye West and Nas what they think.

Upshot: The story is bigger than an initial left-right online flamewar, and is perfectly poised to grow — just like Imus. Should O'Reilly be worried? Well, yes, that was a freaking gong show, exacerbated by Imus' non-apology followed by his non-apology apology. But there is a difference here, a big one: Imus' "nappy-headed hos" remark was clear-cut, shocking racism with a hefty dash of sexism to chase. O'Reilly's comments were ignorant as hell and betrayed some preconceived notions, that's for sure, but if you read his comments in full, they read like "clueless white guy" rather than "deliberate racist." A comment that has been taken out of context is this one:

There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, "M-Fer, I want more iced tea."

Sounds awful, to be sure, but it makes sense in context, following as it did this comment:

"[T]his is what white America doesn't know, particularly people who don't have a lot of interaction with black Americans. They think that the culture is dominated by Twista, Ludacris, and Snoop Dogg."

Fair comment? Reader, decide for yourself but in the meantime I refer you to the lyrics for "Gin & Juice."

Speaking of being fair, it should also be noted that the premise of the discussion — with Fox News' Juan Williams, who is black — was about his perception that black Americans were moving away from being dominated by racial issues: "starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture." O'Reilly also prefaced these remarks by acknowledging the "very, very tough go of it" that has defined the history of blacks in America (to put it mildly, obviously), and further noted that "I don't think there's a black American who hasn't had a personal insult that they've had to deal with because of the color of their skin. I don't think there's one in the country."

If you read the comments from beginning to end it is not difficult to conclude that O'Reilly betrayed his own ignorance and preconceptions by his remark about Sylvia's. He made assumptions about what "white America" thought of "black Americans" unsupported by any data, other than his perceptions of an Anita Baker concert and his perception of rap music. Hearing him say "I like the soul food" sort of makes you feel a little uncomfortable, even though there's nothing inherently wrong with the statement. But the overarching theme of the segment was about commonalities between black and other cultures within American culture, and why the stereotypes being cited were becoming obsolete. Said O'Reilly:

It was the same, and that's really what this society's all about now here in the U.S.A. There's no difference. There's no difference.


Media Matters spokesperson Karl Frisch described O'Reilly's comments as "ignorant and racially charged." Ignorant? Totally. That Sylvia's comment will make you cringe, again and again, despite the apparent lack of malicious intent. Racially charged? Well, they sure are now.

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- connski I'm a Fan of connski 11 fans permalink

This is a no-brainer. Why do conservatives preach to black americans about being color blind and "not concerned with race issues" and then inevitably play the race card during elections? Why are Guiliani, Rommney, McCain and Thompson absent from the Morgan State debate?

Katrina? Affirmative action? Voter caging?
National ID cards? Polling place fraud and voter intimidation? Resegregation of school districts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 09/28/2007

I have the Dirtiest Dirt on the so called 'Reverened' Al Sharpton.

http://www.maytheygetwhattheydeserve.com/ReverendAl.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/27/2007
- comatoast I'm a Fan of comatoast 4 fans permalink

I'm truly shocked that Rachel Sklar would allow herself to be used by the left wing liberal O'Reilly bashers. Isn't it obvious that this fair (and balanced) minded, easygoing, bastion of circumspection hasn't a racist bone in his body? Unlike that horribly prejudiced, sheet-wearing Don Imus- despicable hater of any and all people of color- the friendly Factor host celebrates the variety of cultural differences that make up this wonderfully harmonious land.

LOL

But seriously folks, is there ANYBODY out there who doesn't realize what Billo is all about by now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 09/27/2007

Oreilly works for Fox. His audience and co-workers share those sames views. There was no down side to letting his view that there were no shootings, stabbings, or cursing be known. The real surprise is that so many of you fail to realize the views of those isolated from social inter-action with blacks. The real question is " when was the last time someone who was Black was in your home for dinner or drinks. Other than serving them to you and your guest. just A Thought!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/27/2007
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 150 fans permalink

What O'reilly said can be compared to what Sen. Craig did, in that neither action was all that harmful to others, but, in both cases, the actions of the right-wing fear-mongers was so contrary to the public persona that they try to construct. Sen. Craig pushes a homophobic agenda, to his personal benefit and the detriment of the country, and O'reilly pushes right-wing lies and spin, also to his personal benefit and the detriment of the country.
Such obvious and blatant hypocrisy makes one wonder why these men have chose to live this way, to "embrace the dark side."
It is not surprising that a slime machine like Fake News would embrace this type of men, given that they have done it consistently since Rupert Murdoch bought out the organisation.
What is surprising is that even a minority of Americans choose to pay any attention to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 09/27/2007
- Scribe57 I'm a Fan of Scribe57 54 fans permalink
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Let me guess, Sklar...job opening at Fox? That resume is looking great now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 09/26/2007

I re-read Bill O's full comment again, and upon a second reading, still could not agree with Ms. Sklar's defense of him. O'Reilly was not talking in the third person about other Americans' view of African-Americans; he used the first-person "I" more than once. And just to clear the fog, here's his comments again:

"I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship." Later, during a discussion with National Public Radio senior correspondent and Fox News contributor Juan Williams about the effect of rap on culture, O'Reilly asserted: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all." O'Reilly also stated: "I think black Americans are starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the [Rev. Jesse] Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture. They're just trying to figure it out. 'Look, I can make it. If I work hard and get educated, I can make it."

The blatant racism of the man is astounding -- and so is Ms. Sklar's misguided defense of him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 09/26/2007
- Centaur I'm a Fan of Centaur 2 fans permalink

I've been using this quote for many moons now for Bill'O' and for those of his ilk and they still don't get it. It goes like this.."Better to think one is a fool by keeping one's mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 09/26/2007
- blaze I'm a Fan of blaze 3 fans permalink

O'Reilly implies (not for the first time) that anyone who supports Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton is some kind of mindless sheep who is intent on "racializing" everything. It's only when a black person speaks Republicanese that O'Reilly begrudges them humanity "like the rest of us".
Larger context, ie: his complete body of shows, shows O'Reilly's racism very clearly. His racism isn't defined by a sentence or two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 09/26/2007

Please, Ms. Sklar, you shouldn't defend Bill O' and you should recognize that "ignorant white guy" is racism. What don't you get? I don't go into Chinese restaurants, Mexican restaurants or any other restaurant and marvel that they know how to work the cash register, the phone or bring the food on plates. I am not surprised when Blacks--or, for that matter, any other ethnicity--act just like me. I don't walk around thinking whites are BETTER than a person of another color so I am not surprised that they would eat at tables with their pants on (at least in a restaurant). Heck, I even recognize, unlike Tom Friedman (check out the Media page), that Ahmadinajad is a human being and, as Americans, the very essence of freedom is to allow (even encourage) speech we might not like. BTW, I bet every word Friedman wrote about Ahmadinajad applies in spades to Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 09/26/2007

...Ms. Sklar, i am quite surprised by your "pleading cultural ignorance" on behalf of Bill O'Reilly....this guy is the absolute epitome of the DIME A DOZEN Long Island bigot, replete with the aggressive misogyny......being startled by black "normalcy" reveals all about this guy.... yet again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/26/2007

As an example of unconscious racism, O'Rielly's example is pristine. It should find its way into textbooks.

O'Rielly sincerely thought, and I'm sure still thinks, that he was actually complimenting the people in the restaurant when he noted that they weren't cussing out the waiters.

The gee-whiz tone of his radio remarks shows how new the concept was to him, that black folks could sit down and have a peaceful meal in a restaurant without shooting up the place.

His problem is far from uncommon, however, which is the very point blacks commonly make about whiteist attitudes, and their concerns are regularly denigrated by O'Rielly himself. He perennially points out that blacks are "too sensitive" on the subject of backhanded compliments, but he utterly lacks the ability to put himself in their shoes and see why their radars tingle when someone remarks on how "articulate" they are.

How would he feel, is the question, if someone thought they were breaking news by noting that O'Rielly knows how to "talk good," or that he didn't carry a gun to the restaurant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 09/26/2007

He should go the the UK for a nice extended stay and get a good dose of Irish jokes from English and Scots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 09/26/2007

Bill O'Reilly is a narcissistic demagogue intoxicated by his own success and bigoted rhetoric.

IMO, BOR suffers from delusions of grandeur and considers himself untouchable. Throughout his life he set himself on podiums or soap boxes then expounded his thoughts and bigotry too often tempered by his charm. While he allows interaction from others, he remains in control of who speaks and when the opposition is too much for him, he cuts them off.

Lately he has been more careless, upstaged by a teen a few months ago who threw one of O'Reilly's book quotes right back at him. His latest depiction of a dinner with Al Sharpton is so moronic not even Howard Stern or Elizabeth Hasselbeck could have thought of it.

He is an embarrassment to every race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/26/2007

I don't read this as a slam of black folks. O'Reily was trying to give a complement and you knuckleheads try to find a way to twist it into an insult. None of you have any credibility - you're finished - no one listens to you because you have abandoned rationality and reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 09/26/2007

You sound like one of Bill O'Reilly's producers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 09/26/2007

Wow! Sorry that I missed his complimentary astonishment that a black restaurant with mainly black patrons actually acted civil towards each other! Gee, maybe blacks are equal to whites!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/27/2007

I don't think that ONLY "him and others do not understand others 7,000 miles away" either.

It is totally obvious that "enlightened educators" like Bollinger (and everyone who thought what he did was really cool) don't understand others 7,000 miles away. Otherwise they'd know that mistreating a guest, even someone like Armegeddon-eye-jab, is a terrible insult to Middle Eastern culture.

Guests are inviolate. Had Colombia treated him with respect, he would have just come off as the shameful clown he is and embarrassed his own people even further and we would have appeared classy to the folks over there that don't hate us, yet.

Now we look like a bunch of barbarians (even the folks on the left who are supposed to be better than the "Crusader Christian rightwing thugs") and we jsut gave a huge recruiting boost to folks that hate us who will use this as proof that there can be no peace between Islam and the West.

To Moslems this is worse than Abu Ghraib and much of the other stuff that we do that they hate. Even our civilized people aren't civilized. We will pay a huge price for this in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 09/26/2007
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 214 fans permalink
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I have to go along with the majority here and agree that for a person of national stature who claims daily how smart he is and what a great service he is doing by bestowing that brilliance on the rest of us, calling him a "clueless white guy" rather than "deliberate racist" is giving him a huge pass. Personally, I started hearing this ""clueless white guy" stuff in about 1989. It suddenly became incorrect to call anything but the most blatant racist taunts "racist." I would hear it all the time, "That's really not racist, it's just stupidity." Down in Jena, Louisiana they are saying something similar after nooses were hung from a tree. "It wasn't racist, it was just a prank." It's almost as if real racism doesn't exist anymore, only ignorance and misplaced humor. Give me a break! That might have been an acceptable excuse in 1965, but to bring these same excuses all the way to 2007 is a bit of a stretch. And for O'Reilly, who lives in New York City, and has probably never been uptown before in his life, to make these claims is a travesty, and shows just what he expected and how he believes Black people act. Of course, he projected his cluelessness onto others, he's a national television personality and he was a defender (if I remember) of Imus, and he saw what happened, he doesn't need more grief or another law suit. Meaning he's not clueless at all, just covering his behind. I'm waiting for some real context, let's see some films from his shows around the time of Hurricane Katrina, when the rest of the right wing talk show world was claiming that all black people were looters and thieves. I think that is the context in which we should take the comments. I think then we will see whether or not he is actually a "clueless white guy" or a "deliberate racist." I'm won't be hedging my bets on the outcome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/26/2007
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