Bill O'Reilly's "Imus Moment" Goes Wide

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First Posted: 09-26-07 08:24 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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2007-09-26-OReillySylvia.JPGLast Friday evening, Media Matters published an entry about Bill O'Reilly, focusing on comments made by O'Reilly on his Sept. 19, 2007, radio show. O'Reilly was talking about going to dinner with Al Sharpton at Sylvia's, a famous restaurant in Harlem, in the context of generally discussing the black experience in America and the perception of black culture by whites. It is, however, the perception of black culture by one white — O'Reillly — which is at issue here with this statement :

"[W]e went to Sylvia's, a very famous restaurant in Harlem. I had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful. They all watch The Factor. You know, when Sharpton and I walked in, it was like a big commotion and everything, but everybody was very nice.

"And I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship."

Media Matters has the full clip and quote here.

The item was picked up across the liberal media, at TPM and Kos, and then wider, by the Village Voice and the Onion AV Club. Then this week, CNN picked it up — wondering if it was his "Imus Moment" — running numerous segments about it with Rick Sanchez on Monday evening and "American Morning" yesterday, followed by more with Sanchez yesterday afternoon and last night. On MSNBC, both Keith Olbermann and Joe Scarborough addressed the episode, on Monday night and Tuesday morning respectively. Today, the moment goes mainstream, with an AP story by David Bauder — picked up in hundreds of newspapers across the country.

This story, it would seem, has tipped. So what happens next?

That remains to be seen. So far, O'Reilly has defended himself, both to Sanchez on CNN and on his own website, calling Media Matters a "far-left smear website." Fox echoed that line in its statement to the AP ("This is nothing more than left-wing outlets stirring up false racism accusations for ratings"). But it 's out of their hands now.

Now, it's about how the story plays out — and catches on. With this AP pickup, the story will be blasted wide across blogs and other newspaper outlets (the NYT's Mike Nizza wrote of it on "The Lede" blog last night; the NYDN has their own story today). Watch for it on network news tonight — ABC News has their own story on it today — and that will no doubt trickle down to the morning shows — and their huge mainstream audiences. CNN and MSNBC have obviously found it, and it's likely that O'Reilly, never shy about defending himself, will make this an issue on his show. Letterman, Leno, Stewart, Colbert, Conan and the gang are sure to follow. Also, this is just a hunch, but someone will probably ask people like Kanye West and Nas what they think.

Upshot: The story is bigger than an initial left-right online flamewar, and is perfectly poised to grow — just like Imus. Should O'Reilly be worried? Well, yes, that was a freaking gong show, exacerbated by Imus' non-apology followed by his non-apology apology. But there is a difference here, a big one: Imus' "nappy-headed hos" remark was clear-cut, shocking racism with a hefty dash of sexism to chase. O'Reilly's comments were ignorant as hell and betrayed some preconceived notions, that's for sure, but if you read his comments in full, they read like "clueless white guy" rather than "deliberate racist." A comment that has been taken out of context is this one:

There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, "M-Fer, I want more iced tea."

Sounds awful, to be sure, but it makes sense in context, following as it did this comment:

"[T]his is what white America doesn't know, particularly people who don't have a lot of interaction with black Americans. They think that the culture is dominated by Twista, Ludacris, and Snoop Dogg."

Fair comment? Reader, decide for yourself but in the meantime I refer you to the lyrics for "Gin & Juice."

Speaking of being fair, it should also be noted that the premise of the discussion — with Fox News' Juan Williams, who is black — was about his perception that black Americans were moving away from being dominated by racial issues: "starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture." O'Reilly also prefaced these remarks by acknowledging the "very, very tough go of it" that has defined the history of blacks in America (to put it mildly, obviously), and further noted that "I don't think there's a black American who hasn't had a personal insult that they've had to deal with because of the color of their skin. I don't think there's one in the country."

If you read the comments from beginning to end it is not difficult to conclude that O'Reilly betrayed his own ignorance and preconceptions by his remark about Sylvia's. He made assumptions about what "white America" thought of "black Americans" unsupported by any data, other than his perceptions of an Anita Baker concert and his perception of rap music. Hearing him say "I like the soul food" sort of makes you feel a little uncomfortable, even though there's nothing inherently wrong with the statement. But the overarching theme of the segment was about commonalities between black and other cultures within American culture, and why the stereotypes being cited were becoming obsolete. Said O'Reilly:

It was the same, and that's really what this society's all about now here in the U.S.A. There's no difference. There's no difference.


Media Matters spokesperson Karl Frisch described O'Reilly's comments as "ignorant and racially charged." Ignorant? Totally. That Sylvia's comment will make you cringe, again and again, despite the apparent lack of malicious intent. Racially charged? Well, they sure are now.

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- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

I don't believe I have heard any response from Al Sharpton accusing Bill of lying and or being rascist. And being one himself you know he would not have passed on the opportuinity if he had. Olberman is in the journalistic catagory as Stewart and Colbert. Very funny but not taken seriously except his ratings are not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 09/26/2007
- Melkor I'm a Fan of Melkor 16 fans permalink

What is a "clueless white guy" if not a racist? What, you need to be especially informed to not believe that all members of a race are represented by an extreme minority?

But more importantly, if you are truly a media critic then you'll know that for years O'Reilly has been using the tried and true coded GOP racist talking points to deal with black people. Google what he said about the Katrina victims.

Even if this was supposed to be some kind of fig leaf to black America he can keep it. He's still operating from the paradigm of a superior person looking down on the little people. He can keep it.

You know I was on a subway train the other day and met a very articulate and civilized white man. He wasn't a lying racist blowhard or anything. What a surprise!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 09/26/2007

One time our family hosted my father's black coworker and his girlfriend for Thanksgiving Dinner.
While serving dinner, my very nervous and uptight mother apologized to the couple for serving turkey, saying she knew they would have probably preferred "spare ribs and blackeyed peas."
Bill O'Reilly's comment about Sylvia's reminded me of that incident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 09/26/2007
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Right, Raitch.

Billo's a deliberate racist who, for a moment,
spoke like a clueless white guy.

I love you, BTW.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 09/26/2007
- jimpryor99 I'm a Fan of jimpryor99 4 fans permalink

As she said, when you take the WHOLE CONVERSATION in context, he was point on with his words, and they weren't racist in the slightest. Of course, the liberal media will never tell you that. Most of you only read the headlines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 09/26/2007

You should have heard how pissed Juan Willaims was last about the whole thing, too.

Most of the umbrage seemed to be at CNN, but quite a few media outlets got blasted and I actually think Juan was more pissed than O'reilly.

Al Sharpton is supposed to be on Fox with Bill tonight, so we'll hear what he thinks about the whole thing (given that he was with Bill at Sylvia's).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 09/26/2007

O'Reilly needs to lose his sponsors. That's what did Imus in. Money talks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 09/26/2007

Your feelings are not shared by the country in general. Ever looked at O'Reily's ratings? You fellow countrymen absorb every word he says. In fact, based upon his ratings, it seems that he is worshiped by Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 09/26/2007

So, ratings indicate validity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 09/26/2007

Let's not kid ourselves. The guy made an incredibly stupid, inflammatory remark - "...even though it's run by Blacks..." - and he said it in such a way as to believe he was actually paying a compliment. If you can't hear the quote as character revealing, then you purposely have your fingers in your ears.

There's no point in trying to justify what he said by dragging in comments made by other TV pundits and reporters - keep the issue where it should remain; squarely on O'Reilly's bigoted shoulders.

A non-story? Hardly. The guy's broadcasting approach is direct, in-your-face, and loud. He has a microphone, and for many he has influence. Such statements need to be high-lighted and rediculed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 09/26/2007

In its attempt to be "fair & balanced" this article has to strive too far to keep its balance. I can say nothing positive about O'Reilly. There is plenty enough wrong with the man, his words, his actions, his show, his attitude... we don't need to manufacture insanity. I'm all for full transcripts vs. soundbytes­/pullquote­s out of context, even when it comes to Bil-O.

Problem? You claim he wasn't being mean, intentional racist; he was being dumb, white-guy clueless racist and surely that's different? You give him the benefit of the doubt & ignore the evidence of his ongoing racist, homophobic, mysoginistic and xenophobic tendencies. (Oh, and he's batshit crazy.)
IF, someone else made the M-Fer/IcedTea quote, then claimed he was making a point about some misinformed white people, maybe you could stomach it. But it's not anyone - it's O'Reilly. He's said HE couldn't get over the restaurant HE was in was just like a regular white establishment, very civilized. Couldn't believe Sylvia's was like a real restaurant only black-owned. That's O'Reilly talking for himself. Now he's backpeddling: "oh, I wasn't talking about ME! I was just making a point that OTHER clueless white Americans think the black culture revolves around Twista, Ludacris and Snoop Dogg."
FACT: BILL O'REILLY IS THE FEAR-MONGERER WINDING HIS FLOCK UP TO FEAR, BOYCOTT, HATE & DISMISS THESE ELEMENTS THROUGH HIS OVER-THE-TOP PROPAGANDA. He starts the fire, fans the flames with rhetoric, empty gestures, impotent boycotts, character-­assasinati­ng crusades... and NOW says he's trying "enlighten" some of his listeners by telling them they're misinformed and confused about the black community and black pop/hip-hop culture?! BILL O'REILLY IS THE ONE MISINFORMING, CONFUSING & INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING THEM.
Trying to spin O'Reilly as not so bad on THIS story... really, what's the point? Tomorrow he'll say something just as stupid, inaccurate, pompous, fact-flawed, incendiary and/or ludicrous. His Flying Monkeys will eat it up & we'll shake our heads as usual.
When does Fox start selling bedpans, shovels and hipwaders with The Factor logo on it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 09/26/2007
- aaronburr I'm a Fan of aaronburr 4 fans permalink
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Careful, Rachel, by trying to present an objective analysis of this story you are likely to have your buttons ripped off and your sabre broken by those for whom nothing seen or said by a Fox commentator could possibly be OK.

I'm not a big fan of O'Reilly but I appreciate your effort to show the evolution (or devolution! of the story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 09/26/2007
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It really doesn't matter if you think Oralee is a "insenstive white guy" or a racist, a jerk is a jerk is a jerk!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/26/2007

Like McCarthy, this bigoted blowhards will eventually self destruct from his own noise. If this is not an Imus moment, then be patient. His utter inablity to put any issue or person in a positive will eventually be his undoing. His gun is still pointed at his foot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 09/26/2007

O'Reilly is not a racist, Don Imus isn't a racist - what is the matter with people? It's pathetic and only makes Fox and O'Reilly stronger by exposing what morons CNN/MSNBC are and turning off normal people. I heard the show and Bill sounded fine. Another stupid blog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 09/26/2007

everybody not already pushing up daisies is racist. what degree a particular person exudes and whether they manage it well IS significant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 09/26/2007

What a non-story...NEXT story please

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 09/26/2007
- BurtR I'm a Fan of BurtR 5 fans permalink
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I live in Peoria IL and almost never eat in a restaurant run by caucasians (I am a middle aged white guy). I eat vietnamese, Indian, mexican, Lebanese, and BBQ. I do eat Italian as an exception to the rula. When I think of resaurants run by whites, I think of Denny's or Perkins and it makes me nauseous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 09/26/2007

That's as racist as what O'Reilly said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 09/26/2007
- elkabong I'm a Fan of elkabong 151 fans permalink
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Don't you know that posting Billy's actual words - with context - on their website makes Media Matters "left wing smear merchants" according to Billy

I guess they must be selling Billy's smears and he's just showing his appreciation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 09/26/2007
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