Neck-And-Neck

Congressional Quarterly   |  CQ Staff   |   September 29, 2007 08:25 PM


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With less than 30 hours before the third quarter deadline, the top Democratic presidential candidates appear to be running neck-and-neck in the money race. An aide for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama estimates that his campaign will have received between $18 million and $19 million in contributions in the third fiscal quarter of the year, which ends Sunday at midnight.

That is well below the $32.9 million the campaign raised in the second quarter, which ended June 30. But it appears to match the projection of his main Democratic rival, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose campaign estimated earlier in the week that it would raise between $17 million and $20 million for the quarter. Clinton raised $27 million in the previous quarter.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 09/30/2007

Wonderful expose on Cspan and the evolution of the democratic canidates stance on the Iraqi war through their own words. HRC and Edwards are the political whores in this race. HRC voted for the authorization to give Bush the authority to invade Iraqi because she was both delusional in thinking that Sadaam had wmd, she was so stauch in her support of Bush. Needing to appear hawkish in order for a woman to be thought of as commander in chief. Edwards personally doubted to give Bush the authority but his political advisor told him it would be political suicide to go against the drumbeat of war. Both cared more for their political careers than our soliders dying. Which is the worst sin of humanity. Only Obama has been consisent with his good judgement in saying going to war was a bad idea, even when it could have cost him his senate seat. He is the only canidate that hasn't or will play games with the young men and women in the military. That is why he is getting most of the militay donations. I'm sick and tired of politicans putting their political gain above the public good. Obama 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 09/30/2007

They are both a pair of sell-out whores..!

Bilderberger bitches..Edwards too..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 09/30/2007

If you wanna know how much Repubs really 'support the troops' look at the Walter Reed Hospital scandal. Look at the mold on the walls and the cockroaches crawling across the floor. That's how much Republicans value military service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/30/2007

Or how it took them about 30 seconds to call soldiers "bad apples" when the Abu Ghraib scandal was reaching the Bush White House. Those soldiers were following Bush policy.

But Repubs are more than happy to send soldiers up the river if it looks like Dubya might get ensnared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/30/2007

Get the point here, Rush?

You weren't just flat out wrong, you offended a majority of those of us who actually had the courage to go to Iraq and serve, while you sat back in your nice studio, coming up with crap like this.

My challenge to you, then, is to have me on the show and say all of this again, right to the face of someone who served in Iraq. I'll come on any day, any time. Not only will I once again explain why your comments were so wrong, but I will completely school you on why your refusal to seek a way out of Iraq is only aiding al Qaeda and crippling American security.

Ball's in your court.

Ball's? You can't use that term when talking about Rush the oxycontin and viagra man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 09/30/2007

This is from Jon Stoltzs' column - trollz should read it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 09/30/2007

Soltz. Sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/30/2007

Rush Limpbaugh calls people 'phoney soldiers'. He avoided Viet Nam because he had a boo-boo on his bootie. A big stinky sore on his big, stinking arse. It's a good thing he didn't go to Nam - who'd have wanted to be in a hole next to that fat, pill poppin sissy - sweating like a rainstorm and shaking like a leaf on a tree? Not me. But where is the outrage among Repubs??? He bad mouthed the troops!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 09/30/2007

But you forgot the Big Rule, JoJo---IOKIYAR.

You know---It's OK If You're A Republican.

Republicans---especially trolls---are the ne plus ultra of double standards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 09/30/2007

How many Huffpo trolls have condemned Saint Rush for trashing out the troops? You could count them on Max Clelands' toes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 09/30/2007

For those of you who missed that Max Cleland doesn't have any toes. He left them in Viet Nam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 09/30/2007

Democrats raising more money than Repubs? That hasn't happened often in my life. The Repubs are like a bunch of bowling pins and 08 is rolling down the aisle for a strikeroonie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 09/30/2007

Hey Hillbilly - stop fondling Sydsdad and read this:

WASHINGTON - It is gallows humor time for Republicans in Congress, where one lawmaker jokes that "there's talk about us going the way of the Whigs," the 19th century political party long extinct.
"That's not going to happen," Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., hastens to add, although a little more than a year before the 2008 election, the major leading political indicators still point downward for a party abruptly turned out of power in 2006.

Fundraising for Republican campaign organizations lags. That is strikingly so in the House, where the party committee spent more than it raised in each of the past two months, reported only $1.6 million in the bank at the end of August and a debt of nearly $4 million.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/30/2007

And yet, a Democratically led Congress condemned the Moveon.org ad but is silent - as is the country - over Rush Limbaugh's "Phony soldiers" comment, as they were when Bush surrogates routinely attacked the combat service of veterans and conflated some of their faces with bin Laden and Hussein.

Don Imus was forced out of his job but crickets are chirping w/r/t O'Reilly's comments that reveal a bona fide racist.

Dan Rather has had a respectable career completely sullied over one story that was true but some documents questionable, while Bush's KNOWINGLY using questionable and forged documents , while lying to Congress and the American public, to start a war we didn't need and then completely fucking it up to an unimaginably disastrous degree, goes unchallenged by anyone.

I don't count the GOP out by any stretch. This country is screwed up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/30/2007

Dems are cowed by Gen. Petroleum in his uniform. They should intoduce a bill condeming Flush Slimeball for his 'phoney soldiers' comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 09/30/2007

Who cares about this? This country has tons of money for campaigns and war and none for healthcare and education and helping poor people.

This is the equivalent of drooling over a baseball player signing a 30 million dollar contract; it's obscene.

Read the Hussein story below. THAT is news. THAT should be all over the place, Bush should be arrested and taken to the Hague.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 09/30/2007
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i completely agree with you thalia.

but anymore, i don't have the energy or the will to fight for much of anything.

i'm starting to think that the installation of a feudal society is complete.

issues? real people's problems? very little place for discussion.

being poor is the biggest sin in america today. it really is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 09/30/2007

The big paradox in America now is the obsession with not only money but obscene amounts of money for the few and the current fad (I call it a fad) over religion, with Americans yammering on about how Christian and pious they are.

The real god in America is money, but that is contradictory to Christian principles, and the irony is that they hide behind "God" to disguise the greed.

I live and work around very wealthy people, and I cannot tell you how sick I am of listening to them talk aobut how they've practically got one foot in the poor house.

The real problem in this country is a plague of narcissism.

Btw, did you read the Hussein article? Not surprising, but infuriating to read nonetheless. Another "Downing St. Memo." It too will go nowhere, of course. Even HuffPo has it as a secondary story.

Americans hate the war, but they don't want to talk about it or how we got into it or Bush's criminality in getting us there. It's so sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 09/30/2007

I agree also. I don't see why these stories are always the headliners. WHO CARES? The top few posters are posting like they are insiders to the campaigns themselves and it's a game to them. Pathetic.

We have real problems Ms. Huffington with no solutions. These Democrats are NOT THE SOLUTION! Can you please put on some real progressive information? It's pretty clear the Democrats are counting the lobby money right now for 2009 and not focusing on the American people. Talk is cheap. Can you put on some of the alternative progressive alternatives? Like Unity08? We might find something we like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 09/30/2007

Is this good news or bad? Doesn't anyone at Huffington Post get the point, that the more politics is infused with $$$$$, the worse it gets? That the more time and effort candidates expend on making $$$$$, the less time they have to improve the country? That the more time candidates spend on making $$$$$, the greater the influence over them by people with their own private agendas?

Please, please stop with the fundraising stories!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 09/30/2007

How many people out there are sick-to-death of this damned "money race"? How much money or how much "name recognition" someone has should not be the deciding factor here. We all know shrub had buckets of money and everyone knew his name. Look at the miserable mess this nation is in now, look at the incompetent handling of everything that is important to the average person, look at the deaths gwb is PERSONALLY responsible for, listen to and FEEL the general despair that hangs in the air in this nation, and tell me that all we need for someone to become president is MONEY and NAME RECOGNITION?? We need brains, BACKBONE, ideas, integrity. The talk shows are focused on the "front runners" and to Hell with the people with the brains who SHOULD be being heard. E-mail Keith Olbermann and Chris Mathews, Chuck Todd, Richard Wolffe, and Dana Milbank. Tell these people who are fortunate enough to have a speaking opportunity that reaches the masses, that MORE NEEDS TO BE HEARD FROM THE IGNORED. These people have ideas that should be placed into the mainstream so people who are so busy and downtrodden with the unbelievable burden of simply keeping their heads above water (that encompasses about 75% of us) can give some thought to who is really going to be the best leader of this country. Most of us are too tired to do more than skim the headlines and read a few paragraphs, so the media have told us who we will be voting for, the front-runners. Most of us don't know anything about the others. Please people, wake up!! The republican party, or at least those who have appointed themselves emperors of same, has nearly killed this nation. They MUST be gotten rid of and that is going to take real intlligence, not money and looks! We have to get more exposure of those running who are not in first and second place. This is going to require a change in mindset, since the USA is the nation that sees money as God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 09/30/2007
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Thanks for saying what we are all thinking. You put it very well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 09/30/2007

You're right on the money. But it doesn't matter if you email them or not. The reason these people are where they are is because they serve their corporate masters. That's why Richardson, Kucinich, and Gravel were immediately assigned to the second tier. Remember, these people (the pundits and their brother and sister journalists in the media) all cheerled us into Iraq and were not fired or given any measure of accountability whatsoever for their responsibility in murdering and maiming young Americans and Iraqis. Then they supposedly opposed the war by simply dismissing the immediate withdrawal option in favor of pushing the modernized "domino theory" reason why we must stay -- that a calamity of biblical proportions would occur if we left. Now they simply dismiss presenting accurate war news in favor of "the surge is working". The only one held accountable was Dan Rather -- whose story was accurate but who used one bad source in presenting his accurate story about Chicken-hawk Bush during the Vietnam War.

And although Olbermann makes good comments, he is absolutely solicitous of the front-runner Dems -- all of whom won't commit to ending the war by 2013.

The Republican candidate will win the election by promising to get the troops out by 2013.

I think the media has a talking point that says every time you say Kucinich, say "of course he can't win". Every time you say Gravel -- smile as if he's some cute old codger. Make some pleasantries about Richardson but don't cover him too thoroughly.

It appears to be scripted and there's absolutely NO objective analysis of what kind of actual threat to the US is posed by Iraq and/or Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 09/30/2007

And what has changed in their positions that should push us in one direction or another. As far as I can see it is after Labor Day and the campaign season is in full swing. Is this really news? We know they both have money raising machines, but both remain vague on their direction of governance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 09/30/2007

I am so glad the media has determined who the democratic nominee will be. Or, at least narrowed the field to two. It saves us non-media people (aka the American voting public) from having to go through the trouble of actually voting. I am sure those few thousand people used in each media survey reflect what the entire 150 million registered voters think. Another job well done by those people who brought us the pre-Iraq War Bush party line which also saved us from having to make an informed decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 09/30/2007

Historically cash donations are lower in the third quarter. And this is accross the board of canidates. HRC has in the last two quarters try to low ball her amount raised and inflate Obama's so that it seems she is doing well and Obama's has missed the target. Obama usually low balls his numbers by 5 million. I think when all the money is counted, Obama will still be ahead of HRC in fundraising probably at the same rate as in the second quarter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 AM on 09/30/2007

This is why the story was "leaked" a couple days ago that Obama was blowing Clinton away in fundraising.

In reality they're neck and neck.

Gee, Clinton looks a lot stronger THAN I am supposed to have THOUGHT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 09/30/2007
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