Is The GOP Committing Suicide?

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First Posted: 09-30-07 10:23 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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After convention speeches by the two Pats - Robertson and Buchanan - in 1992 helped elect Bill Clinton, organizers of the GOP's quadrennial gatherings effortlessly replaced Holy Roller hellfire with Happy Days hip hop.

In theory, political parties, whose function is to win first and govern later, are constantly evolving and adapting to changing demographics, issues and culture shifts.

But in practice in 2007, the Republican Party is diving for bottom. George Bush, the party's presidential candidates, and Republicans in Congress have set about destroying virtually everything they built.

They are defying all theories of rational self-interest, with behavior comparable to that of the Mets, that have in just 18 games thrown away a seemingly insurmountable advantage. Or, in the world of poker, behavior comparable to Mike "Full Tilt" Matusow, who has blown millions in stunning displays of ineptitude.

In fact, it is hard to find a match for the GOP's hodge-podge of manic stupidity: (Read more below)


The Supreme Court nomination of Harriett Miers; the mangling of New Orleans; the perseverating support of Rumsfeld and Gonzales; the insulation of Tom DeLay from ethics inquiries; the shunning of a presidential debate at Morgan State, a historically black college; the meticulous cultivation of corruption on Capitol Hill; the derisive treatment of such appointees as Paul O'Neil and Christine Todd Whitman turning them into attention-getting critics of the administration.

Nothing however, better exemplifies the compulsive irrationality that has taken over the Republican Party than its handling of the Hispanic electorate.

Latino voters, as Bush demonstrated in 2004, are by no means locked into the Democratic fold. On top of that, Republican strategists have been pounding for a decade the theme that Hispanics are crucial to the GOP future.

Ken Mehlman, who ran both Bush's 2004 campaign and the RNC, declared in a July 2006 speech (one of many on the subject) that as party chair,

"I know...that a Republican Party that does not reach out to Hispanics cannot win ... and a Republican Party that does not reach out to Hispanics does not deserve to win."

Similarly, Ed Gillespie, who ran the RNC before Mehlman, and who is now counselor to the president, laid it on the line in an April 2006 Wall Street Journal op-ed:

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"The Republican Party cannot become an anti-immigration party. Our majority already rests too heavily on white voters, given that current demographic voting percentages will not allow us to hold our majority in the future. Between 2000 and 2004, President Bush increased his support in the Hispanic community by nine percentage points. Had he not, John Kerry would be president today.... Anti-immigration rhetoric is a political siren song, and Republicans must resist its lure by lashing ourselves to our party's twin masts of freedom and growth -- or our majority will crash on the shoals."

House and Senate Republicans have not only led the charge in killing immigration reform legislation, however, but their rhetoric has served to legitimize explicitly anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic calls to action in city councils, on numerous web sites, on talk radio, and in public discourse generally.

Before the massive May 1, 2006, "A Day Without Immigrants" protests, Iowa Representative Steve King (R) declared:

"What would that May 1st look like without illegal immigration? There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines that plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of meth that day by 80%. The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals. Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals. Eight American children would not suffer the horror as a victim of a sex crime."

King's rhetoric undoubtedly appeals to many of his constituents - he gets re-elected by large margins - but some might suspect that the Iowa congressman is a Democratic plant. King's remarks, needless to say, are extensively covered in Spanish language media.

Conservative radio talk show host Neal Boortz does him one better.

"When we yank out the welcome mat, and they all start going back to Mexico, as a going away gift let's all give them a box of nuclear waste.... Tell 'em it'll heat tortillas."

Add to this the behavior of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates, all of whom know the importance of Latino voters in the general election.

In 2000 -- the last contested fight for the GOP nomination -- it would have been inconceivable that the candidates would have turned down a debate on Univision, the largest Spanish language television network in the country.

This year, with the exception of John McCain, they did.

Along similar lines, as recently as March 2006, Romney backed legislation that would have put millions of illegal immigrants on a "path to citizenship." Giuliani, in turn, was an outspoken supporter of immigrants, legal and illegal. Now, both of them have become unabashed critics of immigration reform, and treat as radioactive talk focused on immigrants' rights.

Of course, there could be a more subtle strategy at work here.

Perhaps Republican kingpins consider the best possible long-term strategy letting Democrats take over responsibility for the extraordinary mess Bush will leave behind. The next president will have to deal with Iraq, Iran with the bomb, biological and chemical threats, $8.98 trillion in national debt, global warming, rising gas prices, a Mideast on fire, overstretched troops, a legion of returning wounded soldiers, a country unprepared for its aging population, North Korea's supply of nuclear technology to Syria, a steadily eroding dollar, a surging China, and an exponential increase in the number of those who wish America ill.

Is this why the party plagued by weak allegiance on the part of female voters has three frontrunners for the nomination with a combined total of seven marriages and three trophy wives? And the fourth top candidate a Mormon at a time of anti-Mormon caricature (Under the Banner of Heaven, Big Love) facing major hurdles with the party's evangelical base?

There is a precedent for this. The last time the Republican Party was this stupid was in 1972 with Watergate. In the 1974 elections the Democrats triumphed in Congress, and in 1976 Jimmy Carter won the White House.

Success was, however, short lived: Interest rates, inflation, and joblessness skyrocketed; Iran took hostage 66 Americans at the U.S. embassy in Teheran; and the 1980 election produced the most conservative presidency in decades, kicking off 24 years of Republican ascendancy.

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- PerryLogan I'm a Fan of PerryLogan 13 fans permalink
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Katrina broke the back of the Republican Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 10/01/2007
- davesideas I'm a Fan of davesideas 7 fans permalink

it can be argued that the exact opposite has occurred, that in fact, through corporate and governmental inaction, the Republican, and now Democratic, parties have broken the back of New Orleans.
The current administration and government have succeeded in turning New Orleans into an after-thought...New Orleans will remain off the front page until the next northerly sweeping hurricane floods the ninth ward...at that point, there will be a weeks worth of lament with fingers being pointed at the Army Corp of Engineers.
How pathetically sad is that? What does that say about the loss of humanity in America?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 10/01/2007
- doctorj2u I'm a Fan of doctorj2u 16 fans permalink

My feelings exactly. What was the democratic response after the storm? They decided it was an issue that didn't work for them and deserted it like they did the city. Will America wake up to the fact that they abandoned their own citizens? It is not too late to make up for the wrongs of the past, but will America step up? History says no. PLEASE,PLE­ASE,PLEASE prove me wrong. My hometown needs you. The major thing going for the democrats is that they could not possibly do a worse job than the republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 10/01/2007

If they're not trying to actively commit political suicide- we'll be more than happy to hand them the gun and put them out of their (and our) misery in a more timely matter (way over due). Would I like to see them suffer a long drawn out painful death- sure. But I'd be just as happy to be done with them quickly and completely

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 10/01/2007

More wishful thinking from the Democrats. This is how they will conduct the war on terrorism. Write articles asking if the terrorists are committing suicide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 AM on 10/01/2007
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 121 fans permalink
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Do you actually believe the crap you continuously spew? Patriotism is not a purely republican virtue (as if the repubs actually possessed any virtue). Your inane repitition of the shit you are fed by the repubs and talk radio demonstrates your inability and/or unwillingness to think for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 10/01/2007
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

Even articles would probably be more effective than the Chimp's strategery of pulling virtually all troops out of the area where the actual terrorists were, invading a random, completely unrelated country that was contained by the UN and absolutely no threat and turning that country into athe most successful training ground for anti-US terrorists in history.

At least articles would have no effect, where as the Chimp-in_Chief has actually had a massively negative effect and become Al Quieda's most successful leader/rec­ruiter/spo­kesperson in history. Even Bin Laden never managed to inspire as many people to sign up for Al Quieda as the Chimp has managed to do. It's ironic. Our troops are in Iraq when the single most effective ally Al Quieda has ever had is currently easily accessible because he resides right here in the Oval Office.
number 1 man in Al Quieda


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 10/01/2007

I wonder if you guys can read for comprehension. At least you could address my comment rather than go off on some tirade that has nothing to do with the thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/01/2007
- Tator I'm a Fan of Tator 9 fans permalink

What is so laughable is Liberals actually think Democrats are much different from Republicans. They are not. Both parties see Hispanics as their future. The boarders will never be sealed and illegal immigration will not be reduced. The Democrats see the Hispanics and another group of African Americans to put on the plantation and farm their votes by getting them on every kind of government handout. The Republicans see the Hispanics as a working class that will supply tax revenue to put off the day they have to tell America Social Security, Medical, Nation cradle to grave Health care are broke and can no longer be paid. Democrats and Republicans one in the same.

I still bust out laughing when I hear the naivety of Liberals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 AM on 10/01/2007

What an offensive and ridiculous comment Tator. Are you implying it is Democratic strategy to get Hispanics and African Americans on welfare to ensure they vote for them? Hispanics and African Americans are disproportionately poor, and the U.S government has neglected them for many, many years. At least the Democrats feel some responsibility towards them, rather than the Republicans who either ignore them, or want to use them for cheap labor. You might want to do some reading on the subject rather than spout fringe conspiracy theories.

www.thedailybanter.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 10/01/2007
- Evelyn I'm a Fan of Evelyn 16 fans permalink
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Hispanics **are** the working class and they **do** supply the tax revenue needed to pay Social Security, as well as supplying the nannies so that American women can work full-time as doctors and lawyers. I am a Democrat and I can see that. And I can also see that as members of the working class, naturally Hispanics will tend to vote Democrat--not because they are on welfare but because they vote for a party that represents their interests, and not for a party that demonizes them. Look, dear Republican friend, it is economic forces, market forces, that attract Hispanics to the United States. Rue it all you want, but resisting these forces is like trying to hold back the tide. Better get used to it. And don't worry about learning Spanish--Hispanics are far more efficient at becoming bi-lingual than Anglo-Americans are. Market forces at work again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 10/01/2007
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Evelyn: As a now hated, anti-illegal immigration, white, nonsouthern, non trailorpar­k-inhabiti­ng, non-inbred, member of the REAL working majority in this country,(I know, it's misleading) I must say yours is the most classist, racist, uninformed and self serving opinion on ILLEGAL immigration yet. Hopefully, sanity will prevail, and you won't find yourself unable to pay your Hispanic nanny due to the inability of the deposed American middle class to afford your "doctors and lawyers" service. Good luck with that overlord over the underclass dream....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 10/01/2007

"It seems to me that the Conservative Party in the UK is much more fiscally conservative than many American politicians who call themselves conservative," he said.

"Too many of them want to run up enormous deficits and hope that some way, somehow -- someone else will pay for it. That's not conservatism, that's alchemy, or if you like, lunacy."

-Michael Bloomberg

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070930/pl_nm/britain_politics_bloomberg_dc;_ylt=Ar97qUjaHcNKoUwytlEOVU.s0NUE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 10/01/2007

It is the war. That combined with lil George's inability to learn and adjust to changing circumstances. He doesn't want to govern, he wants to rule. Lincoln said you can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. We are there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 10/01/2007
- BCP I'm a Fan of BCP permalink

Edsall and others either deliberatly or without thinking fails to draw the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants with lines like:"The Republican Party cannot become an anti-immigration party."
Many people including myself know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal ones. I see it everyday in my middle class community on Long Island. And that is why Dems like me will be voting for more Repuplicans than Democrats in the next election. Yes, I am a registered Democrat but, not a dumbocrat. When it comes to doing something about the illegal immigration problem here in our middle class communities. I am increasingly looking at the Republican candidates than Democrats lately.

BCP
http://beercanpolitics.blogspot.com

I BLOG AND I VOTE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 AM on 10/01/2007

Yep, reward those swell folks in the R party for the mess they've made of our country by voting for them. Then you can shout, "Four more years!" Sure makes sense, NOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 10/01/2007

Of course you can say you're a democrat. And you probably are, hey, are you Joe Lieberman? Other wise there's no excuse, you're a republican @ heart even if you're registered dem. Give it a rest, will ya, about all those illegals in LONG ISLAND!? I'm by the border in southern California...you've no clue what illegal immigration is by comparison, bucko! Btw, beer, it IS easy to spot immigrants, I agree, they speak 2 languages. These are not stupid or lazy people.

What's more, if we'd have put only a small portion of our iraq war fund into helping Mexico's people overcome it's government (what? is their government any less corrupt that Sadam's or GWB's?) perhaps they'd be willing to stay home. However, as long as the usa keeps using mexico as it's cheap labor farm, they'll keep coming to work. It sucks we don't have a southern neighbor that's more in tune with canada. How long has this problem been going on? My mom remembers it in the 40's in Los Angeles. Until we direct our energy towards the betterment of mexico's people (not like we're helping the iraqi's, please) instead of using them as disposable labor the 'problem' will continue unabated no matter who's in power.

I'm sure there will be plenty of posts about 'why should we help them', blah, blah, blah... Here's a hint, einsteins, borrow a history book. See if we got our country in order without help. And realistically look @ the work many illegals do here. It's stuff I don't want to do, do you? We're a country founded by illegal immigration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 10/01/2007

I do not like to make such distinctions between Republican and Democrat, they are opposite sides of the same coin. I think this Mr. Edsall is half right, it could also be said that the Dems are missing an opportunity to win over moderates, such as myself, on being more firm on the value of US citizenship and secure borders. Republicans may be listening to “xenophobic” aspects of our society but Dems are pandering as well. I am a Gore Democrat, the environment is my first priority, and 100 million more Mexicans becoming Americans, which is not much of an adjustment, is not in the environments interests. And as far as helping Mexico, Mexico gets billions of dollars in aid, billions of dollars in remittances and billions in tourism, we are its economy, Mexicans need to help themselves and stop using the US as their jobs program. I am pro diversity, but as an Arizonan/C­alifornian can tell you, Mexicans are no different from Americans, they are misogynistic, homophonic, materialistic, God fearing, SUV loving… need I go on, like I said, just like Americans. I want diversity, send us some Iraq refugees, Darfur, Chinese…Diversity does not mean, anything but white!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 10/01/2007

Oh please. The Republicans had a winning formula until those ex-democrat neocons got us into this war.

All polls show that people want less immigration, including democrats and even a strong plurality of hispanics!

The Iraq has become the Republican waterloo and Bush our Nepoleon. France was never the same. Nor will the Republican party never will be the same again.

Everyone will want to say that their pet cause was the reason - "abortion" or "immigration" or "FEMA" - that's a joke.

It begins and ends with the war and the neocons who have damaged this country in ways that will take decades to repair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 AM on 10/01/2007

Cheney shows Democratic leanings? w was a Democrat? Rummy, Fredo? Hmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 10/01/2007
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 77 fans permalink
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"All polls show that people want less immigration"

I am not against immigration. It is ILLEGAL immigration that I have a problem with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 10/01/2007
- INQUIRER I'm a Fan of INQUIRER 4 fans permalink

The trolls on this board are getting really sophisticated. They used to just recite variations of "liberals are evil". (It was liberals, you know, who helped to overthrow Jim Crow.) Then it was "Democrats are cowards". Now it's "Democrats are cowards and no different from Republicans". What a crock!

It was Republicans who caused all of our contemporary disasters. It's mostly Republicans who continue the Iraq occupation, who do everything in their power to steal elections, and who have fattened on the blood of the nation like giant ticks but STILL want to keep cutting corporate taxes. It's Republicans who are systematically destroying the Constitution. At most, some Democrats have been holding their coats for them.

Democrats aren't blameless, but compared to the Republicans, their crimes look like shoplifting.
Republicans, with their war against a vastly overmatched and undergunned enemy who had no real means of putting up a defense, are literally murderers. Furthermore, many of them revel in the blood they have spilled and clamor for more.

Democrats may be fumbling, leaderless, and some of them even corrupt, but Republicans are the spawn of the devil. The rules simply don't apply to them, according to their ideology. The people have spoken, but money talks louder, and it's Republican money talking, even if some of those listening to what it has to say are Democrats.

Republicans live in a dream world, but the reality for this country is a nightmare.

Republicans and Democrats are not the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 AM on 10/01/2007
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 77 fans permalink
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"many of them revel in the blood they have spilled and clamor for more. "

I agree. It is a kind of insane feeding frenzy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 10/01/2007
- atomic I'm a Fan of atomic 64 fans permalink
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A) This only matters if you believe we actually have fair elections in the United States. We do not.

B) The Bush/Cheney criminal shadow government who represent the Globalists will either cause another attack on US soil and blame it on terrorists so they can invade Iran thereby using it as means to either cancel elections or make the Democrats look even weaker than they are.

C) It doesn't matter because the Globalist elite have slated Hillary to be the next president and she is more a Republican than Bill was and she has already agreed to continue the resource wars and to allow the United States to be combined with Canada and Mexico.

D) Nobody gets into the White House or is allowed any real power unless they conform to the rules of the powerful controlling elite that enslave us all.

E) If there is any freedom in this country it is being snuffed out right from under us. Most of what we have called freedom was an illusion anyway as the Federal Reserve a group of privately owned banks who took over this country over 80 years ago in a coup against our government and our constitution. They have run the government and military ever since. The IRS is nothing but a mob operation for the elite to take even more money from the people...they have never accounted for the money, there never been an audit of their books, it has gone almost directly into their private pockets.

F) The Wars of this past century have all been fabricated by the elite and are created to make them more wealth and consolidate their power. Many American Companies continued to do a thriving business with the Nazis during the war like Coke and Ford and many others. Even now corporations are making huge profits while our men and women and innocent civilians are slaughtered. This is what the modern media elite don't want you to focus on. The media owners are part of that profiteering elite that don't care about your families or your deaths.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 AM on 10/01/2007
- WIDESTANCE I'm a Fan of WIDESTANCE 3 fans permalink


in 1959(?), then president dwight eisenhhower warned the american people, in a major speech, to beware of the influence and power of the "military/­industrial complex"

this has always struck me as quite an extraordinary statement for an american president to make - if this is what ike was willing to say, we can only wonder what he knew that would prompt such a warning

nearly 50 years later, it is now clear that ike's warning to america was actually a prophecy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 10/01/2007
- Pete Ross I'm a Fan of Pete Ross 8 fans permalink

It made sense when Eisenhower said it because that's what Nazi Germany was. That's what fascism is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 10/01/2007
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

I listened to Pres. Daniel Ortega's address to the UN from last tuesday.
It was refreshing to hear a world leader addressing the growing spread of global empire capitalism.
Truth is, even if the dems win in '08, NOTHING will change the visions of empire. oh yea the dems will play good cop for a while but our troops will still be deployed all over the world for the benefit of corporate empire.
No democrat will question WHY do we think it is our white mans' burden to run slaughter the world where ever there are resources to steal?
I want a Society where children aren't indoctrinated into a pro war mindset.
Yes the repugs are being pulled back by powers unseen....­......they have stolen so much and ruined the economy to such an extent that the population has noticed...­.......now those very same powers will annoint a democrat to shift tactics (not the goals).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 10/01/2007
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 77 fans permalink
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"our troops will still be deployed all over the world for the benefit of corporate empire."
USA, close your military bases all over the world and GO HOME!

"I want a Society where children aren't indoctrinated into a pro war mindset."
Me too, but you won't find it in the USA. Just look at what TV feeds the children ... WAR WAR WAR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 10/01/2007

And the Democrats? Labelling eachother, and then fighting: moderate - far left, I can't remember all the labels.

I truly hope for new parties, 2, 3, 4, ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 10/01/2007
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 77 fans permalink
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For me the issue is Iraq, and I see that is what is splitting the Democratic Party.

Liberal Democrats want to pull out immediately, but centrist Democrats want to stay and continue with the plan to NEVER leave the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 10/01/2007

It doesn't really matter in the long run anyway. Whomever is elected in 2008 faces such daunting issues that their re-election in 2012 is unlikely unless they are able to rally the nation in re-tooling the economy. The United States is hopelessly divided as the last two elections have shown. Democrats do well in urban areas, Republicans do well in rural areas and suburbs are the swing. The problem is suburbs are the worst investment we have ever made and they need to be undone but how do we undo 60 years of an urban policy mistake in 10-15 years? We are either just past peak oil or about to hit it in the next decade. And as those effects begin to hit us, this house of cards comes tumbling down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 10/01/2007
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If the GOP's collective party credibility was an airplane, it'd be a WWII german Stuka,
smoke and flame streaming from the bullet holes in the wings and fuselage, trailing a jet-black cloud with little spirals into it, headed straight for the ground In A Big Hurry, and
Airman(?) Coulter still fighting for control of
the plane. They're done...of course, in the next crater over, you see what's left of the DNC glider, there...we need Independents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 10/01/2007

They can commit suicide because the system has enough redundancy. There is not much difference between Dems and Reps. They all work for the same boss; corrupt war mongering corporations. Democratic candidates confirmed this recently by declaring their support for prolonging of the war. They don't listen to the generals as they claim, they listen to the corrupt corporations.

True slave is given, true master is hidden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 10/01/2007
- mikeodd I'm a Fan of mikeodd 4 fans permalink

It is the Democrats who should die at least a semi-honourable death. They are the Whigs of this century, even less irrelevant actually. Their continued capitulation and gradual adopting of conservative positions renders them useless even as an opposition party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 10/01/2007

While I'll agree that their alarming embrace of corporate America renders them more like their Republican counterparts, to characterize them as being useless or indistinguishable from Republicans is a misrepresentation. This administration is so radically right-wing and anti-American (any party that openly endorses policies that are counter to the constitution is anti-American), they actually make the Democrats more relevant and a more viable opposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 10/01/2007

Oh please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 10/01/2007
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