Obama: Clinton Is More Of The Same

AP:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday that the front-runner for his party's nomination, Hillary Rodham Clinton, does not offer the break from politics as usual that voters need.

Both Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and her husband, former President Clinton, have criticized Obama for his lack of political experience.

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[pleeezzze]

Obama...At least Hillary KNOWS what she's talking about...not just TALKING and BADMOUTHING !!!!

BIG turn off !!!

[SensibleAmerican]

Yesssssssssssss "pleeezzze", keep posting pleeeeeeeeeease!!! LOL

[MalloMel]

There is no way in hell that Obama is going to be the next president of these here United States. Now I am a liberal and I do like Obama, but this is the U.S. of A.

Let's be practical. Even if he does get the nomination, you know that just about all of the Republicans will vote against him, along with most of the southern white Democrats, and many if not most of the other white Democrats.

I wouldn't be surprised if much of Obama's campaign money is coming from the Republicans. They'd like nothing more than to see him nominated.

If the Democrats want to commit suicide, at the same time allowing the Republicans to complete the assassination of this once great nation of ours, then they should nominate Obama and get it over with.

I'll tell you what, though... a killer combination would be Hillary and Obama as her running mate. Hillary would get almost all of the Democratic vote, along with much of the female Republican vote... although they wouldn't tell their husbands or boyfriends that they voted for Hillary. The Black vote will come out in mass for Obama as VP.

Obama is no idiot. I think he knows he can't be elected president, but perhaps he is positioning himself for the VP slot. The fact that he is trying so hard under the circumstances leads me to believe he is after that position.

I wish I could say I told you so, but this message of mine will be forgotten tomorrow, but just in case someone remembers... I TOLD YOU SO.

[SensibleAmerican]

Right on target MM!

[SensibleAmerican]

As an afterthought and the only point of my differing is that no matter who Hillary picks on the ticket, the black vote WILL come out in droves for her! Bill Clinton has been quoted as being the "First Black President" of the USofA! Also, the cultural conservatives amongst the Repugnants who put Bush over the top in Ohio 2004 are fairly disgruntled after Katrina and the recent (non)showings of the right wing candidates

My take is that the Repugnants have pretty much lost all Afro-American support except one cross- eyed mouthpiece who shows up on most talk shows, 1-2 congressman and Chaka Khan!

[republicansscareme]

Notice how Republicans just can't resist attempts at character assassination.

Barack Hussein?

The Republican Party is The Nazi Party. Pass the wword.

[SensibleAmerican]

We already know that! Just like we know all about fluffy OhBomba! Hot air fizzles out pretty darn soon you know!

[MrXfromplanetX]

Slamming Barack for the fun of it is bad, but I don't like his policies.

Barack has talked about going into Pakistan and and increasing foreign spending by 50 Billion. I can see going into Pakistan right after 911, but not now.

We need to get the hell out of the middle east.

This is a great video showing how Rumsfeld claimed there were weapons of mass destruction, and then lied later and said he never said that.

It also shows how Bush lied saying there was a link between 911 and Iraq http://youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o

We are foreign invaders.

[FogBelter]

Obama is right ... Clinton is the Status Quo Candidate.

[SensibleAmerican]

Wow! Now please explain how?! Oh and also how Barack Hussein is any different?! Facts please ...

[FogBelter]

Not to pollute your world with the evils of cognative reasoning, but I do believe she was an occupant of the White House for eight years. She has a strong relationship with the Washington Elite and the Corporate Elite through her time as a politically engaged First Lady and the carpetbagging Senator of the state of New York.

Her husband, the Democrat savior Bill, is extremely chummy with the Elder Bush ... even appearing to be, at times, the son the old GHW never had.

"And we were stokin the fires and oilin up the machinery
Until the gods found out we had ideas of our own
And war was coming and the earth was shaking
And there was no more ruin in the garden of allah

Today I made an appearance downtown
I am an expert witness because I say I am
And I said gentlemen, and I use that word loosely
I will testify for you, Im a gun for hire,Im a saint, Im a liar
Because there are no facts, there is no truth
Just data to be manipulated
I can get you any result you like
Whats it worth to you?
Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution, no remorse, no retribution
Just people selling t-shirts
Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, winning

It was pretty big year for predators
The marketplace was on a roll
And the land of opportunity
Spawned a whole new breed of men without souls
This year notoriety got all confused with fame
And the devil is downhearted babe, cause
Theres nothing left for him to claim."

The Garden of Allah - Don Henley

[Kungfublood]

When your pot calls the kettle black it is time to make flapjacks", Dennis Kucinich for President.

[talak]

Obama is my senator and there are some things that I admire about him. I like that he is calling for publicly funded elections and the end of candidates being indebted to special interests. He has a proven ability to inspire others with his speeches. But Obama also has some ideas and behaviors that bother me.

His economic advisors are from the same group of people as Hillary's, the "free" trade loving Rubinites. I was amused to see him in the UAW picket line when it is the free trade policies that have done the most to weaken the position of organized labor.

In the beginning of his campaign, Obama was loathe to give us any details of his plans and relied on his "it's all about hope" rhetoric. I'm glad that he decided that he needed to be more specific, but his initial plan was to be as unspecific as possible and that communicated to me a certain amount of disdain for us.

But the thing that really bothers me is that he doesn't show up for important votes and seems unwilling to stand up when there are hard issues to decide. He missed the votes on Kyl-Lieberman and the funding bills that passed almost unanimously this past Thursday. I have read about the rumor that Sen. Reid misled him on Kyl-Lieberman, but he could have kept in touch with the Senate to see if it was coming up for a vote. There is simply no excuse for this.

[SensibleAmerican]

See Barack Hussein's actions and actual voting record. Then hear his fluff. You'll get, just like most are getting it!

Ofcourse, the Nader-herd won't get anything but that is a foregone conclusion ...

[eaglecapri]

I would love for Obama to be more direct in his 'attack' against Hillary. What is obvious to some may not be obvious to most. I would love, love, love for him to say that Hillary is trying to seduce us with Bill and not to buy into it. And if we looked at Bill's wife as a candidate and not a Clinton - She ain't all that! If Hillary wasn't married to Bill, she would've been history long ago. Bill, Schmill....I totally believe that Obama is much smarter than Bill ever could be and would make a much better president. Even though some argue Obama's emphasis on voting against the war is a non-issue and being over- played, I disagree. He couldn't be fooled then when everyone else was - unlike Senator Clinton and her husband (who I'm sure she consulted) - nor was he afraid to break against convention. It's a very important point and a very big issue! Obama is brilliant!

[Centauri]

Do you want 8 more years of Repubs??? I want Dems to win!!

[aahpat]

If the Democrats who win are no better than the Republicans it makes no difference to me.

Drug warriors are all right-wing Jim Crow creeps.

I want the leading Democrats, Obama and Clinton, to stop pandering to the Jim Crow right-wing of america by supporting the drug war. Until the do that they are no different from the worst of the GOP.

As America's leading organization of elected local executives, who represent the social interests of a vast majority of urban America, put it this summer:

"NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed..."

While Obama and Clinton call for more police and prisons to further oppress and disenfranchise the urban poor and mminorities of America Republican Ron Paul is being CHEERED BY BLACK AUDIENCES for stating: "We don't have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn't working." He concluded: "That is one way you could have equal justice under the law."

The Democrats who echo these sentiments are vilified and marginalized by the Jim Crow Party regulars. Mike Gravel last week said: "The war on drugs is the most ridiculous thing going on." But Hillary and Barack are calling for more police and more prisons.

SEE: Seeds of Insurrection in America's Field of Dreams
http://aleftindependent.blogspot.com/2007/09/seeds-of-insurrection-in-americas-field.html

My letter to Bob Casey as a member of the Joint Economic Committee that this Thursday will hold hearings titled: "Mass Incarceration in the United States: At What Cost?"

[NoFactsJustTruth]

Most of the commenters here don't believe Hillary OR Obama would be a win for anyone. And again, this is NOT a 'Democratic Party' website.


I wouldn't be here if it was.

[eaglecapri]

Have no fear Centauri! Fear will continue to keep us back! Vote for Obama!

It's an unsettling feeling to know that people will vote for Hillary just because they believe Obama, although he is the best candidate for the job, has no chance because he is black! What a sad country!

And, yes Hillary is a woman, but we all know Hillary voters are only voting for Bill. So, therefore, Bill=Hillary and does not equate to voting for a woman. Because if Hillary had not been married to Bill, this would be a non-story. Would she even be in the senate?

I guess we fearless will have to show everyone what living without fear truly means. The power of the movement, the power of change!!!!! Obama '08!

[frost]

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Clinton is more Bush failure..

but so are you Obama..

time for real change..

Gore or Edwards..

and throw out these whores that keep voting for Bush plans..
.

[aahpat]

I agree with Obama that Clinton represents the status quo in American politics. Her support by Rupert Murdoch should make he persona non grata among thinking liberals/progressives/leftists.

But Obama is no better. No better at all.

I wrote more about this after Obama appeared on the Daily Show and asserted the empty claim that he is challenging conventional wisdom. Hell, his legislative record is the stereotype of conventional wisdom.

His support for drug war policies is flat out counter-productive, ill-thought out and detrimental to Black and poor Americans oppressed and politically disenfranchised by the drug war.

Obama's solution to the crime problem that has plagued New orleans since Katrina is to send in more drug police to politically disenfranchise and incarcerate more of the poor people who have no other economic opportunty in that racist community other than to sell drugs.

SEE: Barack Obama: A Stereotype of Conventional Wisdom
http://aleftindependent.blogspot.com/2007/08/barack-obama-stereotype-of-conventional.html

AND:
Sen. Obama's solution for post-Katrina poverty; police oppression
http://aleftindependent.blogspot.com/2007/08/sen-obamas-solution-for-post-katrin.html

I would love nothing more than to vote for the first Black president ofthe United States. But first and foremost I vote for people who will do no harm. Obama's drug war support makes him no better than Hillary Clinton and her promise to return America to the world record prison population days of her red neck Jim Crow husband Bill Clinton.

[nolalily]

I live in New Orleans. When you have a crisis crime problem directly related to drug wars and you have it threatening an entire community, you send in more police.

This is no time to get down to a sociological study of the problem and figure out rehabilitation programs. Although not opposed to these programs, we are in an emergency situation.

[aahpat]

"I live in New Orleans. When you have a crisis crime problem directly related to drug wars and you have it threatening an entire community, you send in more police."

Wrong.

To solve the street crime problem you send in massive drug rehab to get the people who commit most of the street crime out of their need to support themselves this way.

Obama promised a few more DEA agents AFTER he is elected. Nothing in the mean time.

All that you do when you criminalize more and more already poor people is make them more dependent on crime for economic sustenance. It is counter-productive to reducing crime. See the Boston Globe column, "Life Sentence"
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n1092/a10.html?84489

This is real and proven economics.

Violence and crime went through the roof during the 1920's alcohol prohibition. Crime and violence receded in the ten years after prohibition even though the entire nation was living through the GREAT DEPRESSION.

The Democrats and Roosevelt ended the alcohol prohibition in part to help re-inflate the economy and tax coffers. New Orleans could use having its tax base and economy re-inflated while having crime reduced and more people restored to economic viability by ending the drug war NOW!

[aahpat]

Arianna Huffington quantified this issue in an Op/Ed in the LA Times in March of 2007, The War On Drugs' War On Minorities http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n371/a07.html?79584

"A 2000 study found that 1.4 million African American men -- 13% of the total black male population -- were unable to vote in the 2000 election because of state laws barring felons access to the polls. In Florida, one in three black men is permanently disqualified from voting. Think that might have made a difference in the 2000 race? Our shortsighted drug laws have become the 21st century manifestation of Jim Crow."

[OETKB]

It is hard to remember that these two front runners are lawyers since their arguments seem to dance around the points they are trying to make. Probably some judge is needed to tell them, let's get to the point councillor.

If there is some policy or direction that is at issue, "Where is the beef?" This timidness of trying to unfold the logic of each of their positions based on what facts they are using is not helping to decide on their candidacy. If we get more of this back and forth non substantive rhetoric, we, the voters and citizens, will pay for it after one of them is elected.

[WigWamWag]

Again the Huff&Puff is promoting their darling O-Bomb-i-nation and slamming everyone else. It is so obvious that this site has almost no credability. Will it ever stop being a source of yellow journalism?

[eaglecapri]

If you believe this is true, then go away!

[vippy]

That being said and acting on the side of caution Richardson if not Kucinich are the only choices. People for Hillary believe in fairy tales for they cannot see the wolf in sheep
clothing. But I guess they have to learn their lesson when it is too late for us!

[WigWamWag]

Joe Biden and Chris Dodd are very viable canidates. Neither gets the credit and attention they deserve. Either would be better presidents than Billery, O-bomb-a, Edwards, Richardson and Kucinish becase they are well experienced and mature enough to lead.

[UpstateNYMom]

The biggest change Hillary brings is her gender- women make up 51% of the poluation it is about time we are equally respresented in govt.. Girl Power go Hill
Girl Power go Hill , Girl Power go Hill,
Girl Power go Hill , Girl Power go Hill

[placidwilbur]

The biggest change Hillary brings is her gender

Unfortunately, I think that's absolutely correct. Adn that's the problem.

[SensibleAmerican]

UpstateNYMom: you go girl! It has taken 230 years for this Country to have its first woman Speaker of the House. High time we had a female Commander-In-Chief as well!

And I'm a guy incidentally :-))

[Centauri]

I hate to say this but Huffpost is becoming a mirror image of Foxnews on the left. There was an important aricle in NY times today about Mr Obama's earlier years in Illinois politics. Which makes it clear that he is no different than any othe politician.

[NoFactsJustTruth]

Take that HussPost is the same a faux snooze crap and stick it in your ear. This is NOT a Democratic Party web site, nor should it EVER be, as faux is for repubes. Spending ANY amount of time here and you would know most that hang here are 'independent'. Funny, most comments on this thread agree with you about Obama, aside from your 'I don't like it here' insult to HuffPost.

If Arianna wishes her sight to favor Obama over Hillary, that is her choice. Papers come out in favor of particular candidates all the time and their NOT all faux snooze. You CAN go to dem and hillary sites if that's what you want to see.

Get over your 'the world MUST be this way or that' self.

[WigWamWag]

Botton line:
This site blantently promotes O-Bomb-a. It is also a faux new broadcast without any humor. It is a campain outlet for the the personal agenda of Ms Huff%Puff which includes a profit motive. It much like Ohrah's tripe, but more political like Fox.

[Centauri]

I have seen on TV Arianna complain about the media many times. I do not see any thing wrong with what I said. Did you read the article on NY times ???

[NoFactsJustTruth]

Typo, - apologies 'HuffPost'.

[SensibleAmerican]

I think Arianna is fair and does allow all voices to speak. But see the Barack Hussein banners popping up on every page. Then notice the flood of "Oh-Barack-oh-baby-you-are-so-goooooood" posts popping up as well

You get the connection?! And no this question is not directed to the Nader-herd. Only to the sensible ones on this Board!!!

[NewsSophisticate]

Barack Obama is absolutely correct. Hillary Clinton is more of the same. Bushness as Usual. Clinton is another Yalie..28 consecutive years of a Yalie in the WH is not by accident. It is a complete subversion of DEMOCRAZY!!

Look is up...check my site. Here's a video of Brezinzki stating that Hillary is BUSHNESS as usual, he supports Obama, that he doesn't understand Condi, and that the Bush foreign poicy is an abandonment of 'Intelligent Diplomacy.'
http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/09/zbigniew-brzezinski-on-abandonment-of.html
Did you hear when Bush officials turned on Obama...calling him 'intellectually lazy'?
http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/09/hi-my-name-is-barak-obama-they-call-me.html

always something interesting http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/

[SensibleAmerican]

OK this getting beyond funny! Barack Hussein banners on every page and is it a coincidence there are posts here either bashing Hillary and/or slobbering over fluff and hot air!

Man! Is the Barack Hussein campaign so desperate that they will pay their way into having comments posted on them?!

But the facts remain the same: run away from voting when it really matters; vote like Hillary when he does vote and otherwise all fluff and hot air!

[SensibleAmerican]

The timing of the paid banners showing up and ALSO all the kootchikoo/gushing posts on Barack Hussein CANNOT be a coincidence!

[Lisette]

Dear SensibleAmerican

Barack does not vote like Hillary--she votes like

him!! I guess you are not aware that she lurks

in the back to see how he votes and THEN she

copies his vote'

[otispfudpucker]

Yes Barack is right and Brezinzki is a very intelligent man that knows what the fuck he is talking about.
The game here goes back to Howard Dean and the reason he lost is because Bush and Clintons had a deal that they would give George Jr, Kerry to run against in 04. so he could win and set it up for Killary in 08.
So they sabatoged Howard Dean, because if he won, then Hillary wouldn't have had a chance. They used the MSM as well as the swiftboaters to do this.
The Clintons are just as evil if not more than the Bush's and our country doesn't need more division, corruption, wars and misdeeds. Our country as well as our world need a powerful dose of healing and it is going to take some one new to do it. Not the same old shit and same old people.

[VSamuels]

I'm not sure if the Clintons played a hand in both Dean and Kerry's demise to the extent you cite, since the memory of Clinton's impeachment wasn't as far removed as it is today. However, it is clear that the Clintons have seemed only slightly involve in helping Dems during the past 2 elections.

But what does now seem clear is that Gore's and Kerry's lost did make Hillary's run for presidential a reality, that could not have happened if either of these 2 won. Did this create the motive for the Clintons to lie in the background and manipulate for their own selfish ends? Who knows for sure. But, just because it appears so, does not necessarily mean it is so.

The DNC would seem to have little to gain by condoning the Clinton's power play, especially the Clintons were running folks from the party.

But again, what do I know.

[NoFactsJustTruth]

Again, if ALL of us INSISTED that OUR kids are again taught civics class (about The Constitution), and also that everyone should serve the country for 2 years(peace corp, habitat, army,...whatever), the legislators would HAVE to adopt it and it would start the ball rolling in the correct direction.

Eventually, geopolitical resource wars for corporate profits would cease, America's kid's dying for bought-off liars would stop and votes cast supporting the largest campaign donors would again be viewed as criminal bribery.

The path forward begins with each of us, how WE vote, what WE tell OUR representatives,...
and if they refuse to become enlightened how WE vote them away. A few small steps WE can ALL agree on will make a huge difference to how OUR government again does OUR business.

Do NOT be afraid to make your own changes to make something better, it's far smarter to fear the changes other's force upon you because YOU weren't paying attention.

[ConcernAmerican]

More of the same of what? Obama can say anything until the last cow comes home, he is NOT getting my vote. In fact many people I know are not voting for him in the primary. Too bad Obama, you open your mouth too much without loading your brain first, you're MORE dangerous than Bush, you'll put this country in more dangerous if you're in the WH, I can't take that rest. I want a sensible President, who uses common sense, who knows what is diplomatic protocol in dealing with other nations unfriendly to the US. I haven't forgotten what you've said, you will talk with any leaders hostile to USA without any conditions, you will bomb Pakistan if they're harboring enemies of USA, you've forgotten something important Senator Obama, Pakistan is a US ALLY. Go back to the senate and do your thing, you're not ready to be President of United States.

[Ping]

Pakistan is where Osama Bin Laden is. Most Americans support bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice. I guess your candidate will just let Osama sit there and continue his Jihad against America. Who is your candidate anyways?

[SensibleAmerican]

REFRESHING! You go CA! I am amazed at the recent posts cropping up. I know why but that's another debate! Political naivette at its best or worse, depending how you want to put it!

He makes a woman cry, a lot get emotional, some women swoon at his looks and he constantly delivers fluff and hot air! One post here mentions how she had a Meg Ryan experience (as in Harry met Sally)!!!All "compelling" reasons to elect Barack Hussein as a the next leader of the free world, our next Commander-In-Chief! A time when our foreign policy needs a complete overhaul, elect a politician who ran against almost no opposition to become a Senator. After he became a Senator he has voted on the war EXACTLY the way Hillary has. Not to mention he has spent more time building an image, creating hype, selling books and hobnobbing with the elite than actually working on Illinois issues!

[Ping]

Who is Barack Hussein?