And What's Worse Than A Nagging Housewife?

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2007-10-01-TothemoonAlice.JPGSeriously, let me know if it's me. But I keep finding sexist Hillary Clinton bashing everywhere I turn. Like this from Maureen Dowd's latest column:

Others do not underestimate her relentlessness. As Leon Wieseltier, the literary editor of The New Republic, once told me: "She's never going to get out of our faces. ... She's like some hellish housewife who has seen something that she really, really wants and won't stop nagging you about it until finally you say, fine, take it, be the damn president, just leave me alone."

Damn, not a hellish housewife! They're the WORST. Man, can you imagine if one got to be PRESIDENT?

You know, I have no problem with Hillary-bashing — on the merits. Get her on her record, get her on her substance, get her on her health plan, get her on her Iraq war vote. Go crazy. But today the NYT has stooped in two places to zeroing in her with criticisms that turn completely on the fact that she's a woman. "The Cackle?" So would never be applied to a man. We all know it. (And yes, to be sure I actually Googled "Giuliani" and "cackle" and there are definitely some results, because cackling is not only the provence of women, and in these instances the word is being used by protective Ron Paul supporters, so grain of salt. But when a man is said to cackle it is a far more specific type of sound and behavior, and for a man's laugh to be termed "The Cackle" it would really have to actually have a specific sound. Hillary's actual laugh is described as being "a hearty belly laugh" with "fullness and depth" — hardly the "harsh" and "sharp" sound that Merriam Webster describes a cackle as being.)

2007-10-01-WickedWitchoftheWest.JPGAnd now Dowd — ever the sista — jumps on the bandwagon, eschewing substantive commentary for a glib turn of phrase (I'd guess that Maureen Dowd has probably "sashayed" just as often as Hillary Clinton). In her view, longevity = "relentlessness" (so watch it, any woman who's had the temerity to be in an industry for longer than a decade, moving up's a bitch and apparently so are you). It's just not enough to ground a column on nepotism — it tells us nothing we don't already know (Wow, Bill and Hill are married? And they help and support each other publicly? You don't say!). It gets interesting anytime Dowd starts talking about the discipline of the campaign — the softening rationale behind the laugh, the rumored tit-for-tat deal with GQ — but the analysis behind it is sadly lacking. Instead, we get "from nag to wag," and the dismissal of Hillary as being the mere byproduct of Bill (with no nod, of course, to however she may have contributed to her husband's earlier ascendancy). It's just glib, vague criticism which could well be true but certainly is not for her having proved it (and a supporting quote from a frequent go-to doesn't cut it). That would be troubling on its own, but the nagging housewife riding on her husband's coattails imagery — a compound stereotype for your reading pleasure! — well, that takes it from insubstantial to irresponsible.

The NYT should know better than this, can do better than this, especially in an election with the first female candidate. If Hillary Clinton is so awful — fine, great. Go ahead and prove it — on the merits. A good argument should need nothing else.

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Ohh Ooh I knwo whats worse.
Anaggin housewife who thinks she can wirte? Or that she has soemthing to say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 10/02/2007

How can a woman who has never accomplished anything wihtout riding on her husbands coatails to do it be a feminist?
Anybody?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 10/02/2007

My first choice is Gore/Dean.

For me, anything less is an object lesson in mediocrity.

I will support the nominee, and frankly, if Hillary can produce 8 years of Peace and Prosperity as her husband did, I'll be all for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 10/02/2007
- mosh I'm a Fan of mosh 10 fans permalink
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So what's new? This is what Maureen Dowd does and always will do - takes a little scrap of prejudice masquerading as truth and teases us to death with it.

Hey, did you know Maureen Dowd and Ann Coulter are really twins separated at birth? Yup, I kid you not.

Maureen, my dear, you have spent too long in BushWorld - believe me, it shows. Time to pack it in, baby.



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 10/02/2007
- Maezeppa I'm a Fan of Maezeppa 23 fans permalink

I think Hillary has a fine and generous laugh. I'd like to hear it more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 10/02/2007

Hillary is a DINO. She caters to the corperate base (look at the sources of her donations and her *horrid* healthcare proposal). Lets not forget her votes SUPPORTING attacking Iraq (and now Iran), and unwillingness to hold the White House accoutable.
I would LOVE to see a woman president. It would be good for the country, but Hillary is NOT that woman and her history shows it.
I don't need any spinmiester, talking head in the media to tell me that. What I have stated are fact that lead to my opinion. It is NOT sexist and I have talked to many people who feel the same as I do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 10/02/2007

No Maureen, Vassar is much too lofty. Were it not for Bill, Hillary would be running for Park Ridge City Council. How I long for the day we no longer see Bill, Hillary or Gloria Allred on TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 10/02/2007
- klondiker I'm a Fan of klondiker 48 fans permalink

And, if it weren't for Hillary, Bill would be the most popular law professor at the University of Arkansas.

These two people are a personal and political team and have supported each other through their careers. Just because Bill "got there first", doesn't mean that he didn't rely on her political savvy, discipline, etc.

And, besides, this whole line of argument is totally ridiculous. Is there anyone who got where he/she is without help/support from family and friends? You are a product of what your surroundings, family, friends are.

Barack Obama would probably not be candidate Barack Obama if it weren't for a smart, savvy, supportive wife like Michelle (not to mention that he's relied a lot on her contacts and networks for fundraising). Same goes for other candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 10/02/2007

I'm sure the helper/supporter & his disciplinarian always have plenty to talk about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 10/02/2007
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 277 fans permalink
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I think you have it backwards.
Hillary is the smartest of the two Clintons.
Hillary guided Bill to the White House where he was able to use skills but she picked a staff of strong people like Allbright, who had the guts to lock the doors so ARRAFAT so he could not leave the meetings in the middle east.
Hillary has been the guiding force but Bill, oh Bill, still had his wild side that caused problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 10/02/2007

Am I the only one of 300 million Americans that thinks this nation has enough bright, well-educated, and deserving people to be president other than a Clinton or Bush? We're creating a royalty here people, and everything this country stands for is supposed to be AGAINST royalty. So ,after 4-8 years of Hillary, do we get Jeb? Chelsea after that? How about Jenna?

Friggin A, 20 years of Bushes and Clintons is enough!!! There needs to be an organization to fight this kind of political nepotism. I'm all for the hack jobs against any family member of a past incumbents running for office, if only to help those outside the status quo get a voice. Hack away!

Dems please dont give her the nomination. I find myself wishing Bill gets caught with some playboy bunnies at Hef's house before the primaries so we can be rid her. It's just bad for our system to keep electing from the same families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 10/02/2007
- cam I'm a Fan of cam 5 fans permalink

Amen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 10/02/2007
- Noelle I'm a Fan of Noelle 10 fans permalink

Well make that 3 of us out of 300 million.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/02/2007

My sentiments exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 10/02/2007
- JayeSutter I'm a Fan of JayeSutter 2 fans permalink

Snafu:
Dynasties are not uncommon to American politics but simply not wanting one isn't an argument for some other politician.

Yes, we have had 20 years of Bushes and Clintons and we have had over 40 years of Kennedys. We had 8 years of Teddy and would have had 16 of Franklin Roosevelt.

Kinda makes you hit pause on the line of reasoning, doesn't it.

If people elect a Bush or a Clinton it is their choice. JFK thought that a person who could run for a job, who could survive the campaign, that person was qualified.

Mind you George W. isn't JFK. Although the Bush's like to think that they are not the Kennedys but rather John Adams' family--J.Q. Adams, Henry, et. al.

Please, think about something to support your observation that "nepotism" is a terrible idea. Bobby Kennedy certainly was a better AG than that wonder Gonzalez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 10/03/2007
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 51 fans permalink

I agree! I will not vote for Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 10/03/2007
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My Pavlovian alarm bell on Hillary Clinton will never be triggered by the kinds of things Dowd and company notice. But my alarm bell has gone off with regard to Hillary Clinton. It was when candidate Mike Gravel said something during a debate, and Hillary laughingly responded in a condescending/ indulgent/ dismissive manner. I would never vote for Gravel, it would be a wasted vote because he can't win, and he is frequently excessive. But Hillary's manner of response is one I've seen just a little too often. It was a premeditated manipulation to elevate herself through ridiculing Gravel, irrespective of what he had specifically said (despite his faults he is occasionally capable of making extremely poignant remarks). At that moment hers was the kind of attitude that he was up against when he was promoting the Pentagon Papers. I can only hope that moment was not representative of Hillary's disposition toward employing dogmatic dogpoop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 10/02/2007
- poomplet I'm a Fan of poomplet 19 fans permalink
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It's not Hillary the person that's the problem...so much.

Dowd..Huff­Po...other liberals are attacking her because they see the writing on the wall:

If she's nominated, she'll lose to the moderate GOP candidate that will be slated (be he Rudy, Freddy or Mitty).

I want to win...period...and I can't see how Hillary can win the general election. So I have no problem with hit pieces, though the nagging/sh­rill/sexis­t stuff is kinda offbase...and more importantly, ineffective.

The GOP is dying for her to get the nod...then they will roll out the howitzers: CHINA...$$ BILLIONS FOR HEALTHCARE­...$$BILLI­ONS FOR THE STUPID CHILD-BONDS....HER BROTHER SELLING PARDONS FOR DRUG DEALERS....CHINA!!!

I happen to agree with all this...I want her out of the race (Edwards/G­ore/Obama)­.

So while I agree in principle that using sexism to attack Hill isn't very classy...I really have no problem with ANY attacks on her, as I think she's poison to the party's chances in '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 10/02/2007

Hopefully the race will be decided by the majority of dems in the primary. I hope for Hillary, because I think she is the best candidate. I also hope all of us will support her candidacy.­..includin­g the bithchinesses Dowd and Huffington. As for the gop, if rudy, fredo, or mittens are moderates, you poomplet need glasses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/03/2007
- ipitombi I'm a Fan of ipitombi 3 fans permalink

Rachel, will you stop?

You don't think the press/media/voters makes inference about or reference to a man's sexuality or masculinity????

Often, you hear talk about a presidential candidate's (if he's a man) height, e.g. Michael Dukakis. Is that sexist?

Or whether (if he's a man) he served in the military. Is that sexist?

Or whether (if he's a man) likes to hunt, likes Nascar car racing. Is that sexist?

Or whether (if he's a man) he's an alpha male (whatever that means. Is that sexist?

Rachel, I am thinking you have a little bit too much time on your hands.

Get a job

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 10/02/2007
- OneWoman I'm a Fan of OneWoman 6 fans permalink

No, it's not sexism in the true meaning of the word because men, as a group, are not discriminated against or subjugated in our society; women are. It's all about the CONTEXT, stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 10/02/2007
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

Are you saying all men are stupid? That sounds sexist to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/03/2007

JKLAUS99....hooray for you! I agree heartily with every word. the NYT stinks these days!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 10/02/2007

As the only female candidate in the race at this point, HRC wins when she's attacked in relation to gender or defended in relation to gender. This is because gender is a strong differentiator of her, subconscious or not, for voters. Note: I'm not saying you or anyone you know will vote for her merely because she is a woman. I'm saying that the more her gender is focused on, the more it helps her.

So it may be precisely what her campaign would want would be a series of articles/r­esponses/a­rticles that focus on whether she is being attacked in a sexist way. It can only help her.

That said, is that what we should want? A focus on her gender? When it is attacked, do we need to respond? *Shouldn't we care more about where she stands on the issues.*

In other words, I see two posts on the front page here defending HRC from sexism. I'd prefer to see people defending her vote on the Liebermann-Kyl amendment. Because that is substantial. That is worthy of our attention. Some columnist taking a pot shot at her is about as newsworthy (and blogworthy) as the Move On ad or Rush Limbaugh or any of that other crap.

What matters to me is how HRC's decisions are affecting the military in my family. I suspect others care more about that than whether someone called her a nagging housewife.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 10/02/2007
- Unsui I'm a Fan of Unsui 9 fans permalink
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Yup! What that person wrote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/02/2007

Countess has it exactly right.

Apart from the fact that she's sold her soul to AIPAC, she is also, not unlike Bush, highly secretive and entirely incapable of conceding error.

In a really excellent piece in Counterpunch.org, this past weekend, Alexander Cockburn (not Andrew) delivers even more bad news about the Senator.

He points out, "Hillary Clinton is not a populist by temperament. She had been a powerful corporate lawyer in Little Rock, accustomed to covert deals behind closed doors. When health care reformers, Steffie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein urged Mrs Clinton in early 1993 to use that small window of opportunity to take on the insurance industry and bring in a Canadian-style system and that the majority of all Americans would support her, she answered contemptuously to Himmelstein, "tell me something interesting". "

Pehaps even worse than that is her flagrant lies concerning Saddam's so called weapons of mass destruction. This should give anyone pause, who is even remotely considering a vote for this candidate.

More from Counterpunch, this time it's Andrew Cockburn:

"A former senior UN diplomat has revealed to me details of how, just over 10 years ago, the Clinton administration deliberately sabotaged UN weapons inspections in Iraq. American officials were fearful that Iraq would be officially certified as weapons-free, a development that was seen as a political liability for Bill Clinton.

Thus the stage was set for the manufacture of the Iraqi WMD myth as the excuse for George Bush's catastrophic invasion of Iraq.
It was March 1997.

The Clintons feared the immediate suspension of sanctions would follow almost automatically.

Saddam would be off the hook and, more importantly for the Clintonites, the neo-conservative republicans would be howling for the president's blood

Hillary Clinton, of course, knew full well that Iraq was utterly powerless, when she gave Bush the green light to invade a nation that clearly could not pose a threat to anyone.

If her record were really scrutinized, as opposed to say, her "cackle"...she would have to emerge as an exceedingly unattractive Presidential candidate indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/02/2007
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