And What's Worse Than A Nagging Housewife?

Huffington Post   |  Rachel Sklar   |   October 1, 2007 07:16 PM


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2007-10-01-TothemoonAlice.JPGSeriously, let me know if it's me. But I keep finding sexist Hillary Clinton bashing everywhere I turn. Like this from Maureen Dowd's latest column:

Others do not underestimate her relentlessness. As Leon Wieseltier, the literary editor of The New Republic, once told me: "She's never going to get out of our faces. ... She's like some hellish housewife who has seen something that she really, really wants and won't stop nagging you about it until finally you say, fine, take it, be the damn president, just leave me alone."

Damn, not a hellish housewife! They're the WORST. Man, can you imagine if one got to be PRESIDENT?

You know, I have no problem with Hillary-bashing — on the merits. Get her on her record, get her on her substance, get her on her health plan, get her on her Iraq war vote. Go crazy. But today the NYT has stooped in two places to zeroing in her with criticisms that turn completely on the fact that she's a woman. "The Cackle?" So would never be applied to a man. We all know it. (And yes, to be sure I actually Googled "Giuliani" and "cackle" and there are definitely some results, because cackling is not only the provence of women, and in these instances the word is being used by protective Ron Paul supporters, so grain of salt. But when a man is said to cackle it is a far more specific type of sound and behavior, and for a man's laugh to be termed "The Cackle" it would really have to actually have a specific sound. Hillary's actual laugh is described as being "a hearty belly laugh" with "fullness and depth" — hardly the "harsh" and "sharp" sound that Merriam Webster describes a cackle as being.)

2007-10-01-WickedWitchoftheWest.JPGAnd now Dowd — ever the sista — jumps on the bandwagon, eschewing substantive commentary for a glib turn of phrase (I'd guess that Maureen Dowd has probably "sashayed" just as often as Hillary Clinton). In her view, longevity = "relentlessness" (so watch it, any woman who's had the temerity to be in an industry for longer than a decade, moving up's a bitch and apparently so are you). It's just not enough to ground a column on nepotism — it tells us nothing we don't already know (Wow, Bill and Hill are married? And they help and support each other publicly? You don't say!). It gets interesting anytime Dowd starts talking about the discipline of the campaign — the softening rationale behind the laugh, the rumored tit-for-tat deal with GQ — but the analysis behind it is sadly lacking. Instead, we get "from nag to wag," and the dismissal of Hillary as being the mere byproduct of Bill (with no nod, of course, to however she may have contributed to her husband's earlier ascendancy). It's just glib, vague criticism which could well be true but certainly is not for her having proved it (and a supporting quote from a frequent go-to doesn't cut it). That would be troubling on its own, but the nagging housewife riding on her husband's coattails imagery — a compound stereotype for your reading pleasure! — well, that takes it from insubstantial to irresponsible.

The NYT should know better than this, can do better than this, especially in an election with the first female candidate. If Hillary Clinton is so awful — fine, great. Go ahead and prove it — on the merits. A good argument should need nothing else.

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Hillary is likely the most skilled, talented, and knowledgeable of the Dems and yet how often do you hear such nonsense as "Is America ready for a woman president?". Gee, I dunno, is that another stupid MSM tag line? America seems ready for a draft dodging party boy drunkard with a sociopathic personality. Why not a competent, experienced person instead? Oh, right, breasts and a vagina. I hear they cry alot too and are afraid of mice (makes them jump up on chairs). Well, here's the deal. I was in the military with a jet mechanic (a woman). My doctor is a woman. They are fighting and dying in Iraq. They are our sisters, mothers, friends, and neighbors and I don't believe America is anywhere NEAR that clueless. Not half as clueless as the coporate media pinheads that push that drivel. Yes, we're ready. After a testostro-strutting ignoramus who is happily dumping lives an treasure into a pointless war while continuing to call it a good idea, America is MORE than ready.

And thanks for calling out the NYT. This is key. Too often we tolerate the blame shifting. "Don't blame the NYT, it was Maureen Dowd's column" "Don't blame Maureen Dowd, she was just quoting someone else, those weren't her words". No, they belong to the NYT. They printed it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 10/02/2007
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Yes, she is skilled and talented as is her husband. They're just on the wrong side of every thing important when you get past the rhetoric, i.e. the Lieberman-Kyle amendment, the Telecommunications Act, NAFTA, the Iraq war resolution...need I go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 10/02/2007
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I agree that Americans are fine with a woman president. It is the slimy Mainstream Media that is consistently taking the low road, the cheap shot, playing up the stereotype, and entirely dumbing down and MISinforming the people.

Trying to anyway. Most people just ignore it now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 10/02/2007
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"Hillary is likely the most skilled, talented, and knowledgeable of the Dems"

I just choked on my sandwich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/03/2007

Dowd has just about the worst judgment I've read; let's not make any important decisions based on what she writes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/02/2007
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I agree with Rachel in general here, but I also think that attacking Hillary with sexism is not any worse that attacking Kerry with Swift-Boatism or Max Cleland with republican­-party-is-­a-piece-of­-shitism. Besides, if there's anyone who could turn that criticism around and use it, it's The Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/02/2007
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Big fan of Rachel's but....

Hillary is a woman.
Hillary is getting a lot of support from women who simply want a woman president.
If Maureen had described her as a bulldog that won't take no, would the response be the same?

I used to like Hillary and voted for her as my senator but in the last year or so she's just become another political hack. Shes' all vague "centrist" statements instead of bold action. A stupid health care proposal very obviously vetted by the health care insurance lobby. She's moving to the right to try to win over the very people that will always hate her no matter what.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/02/2007
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Hillary is a woman -- but last time I looked that wasn't the same as "hellish housewife". And, no, we don't "simply want a woman president". Judith Giuliani is a woman, after all. I don't even want HER as first lady. Women aren't that "simple".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 10/02/2007
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I said some people simply think it's time we had a woman president.

I think it's about fricking time we had a woman president. I just don't think it should/could be Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 10/02/2007

"The NYT should know better than this"

Why, given their history over the past six years, do you say that?

I mean, Judith Miller anyone? The United States of Amnesia indeed...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/02/2007
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BUT HILLARY DOES CACKLE---------SO IT APPLIES

LIKE IT OR NOT!!!!!



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/02/2007
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If Hillary drooled when she spoke, would we be expected to laugh at that too?

It's pointless and cruel to make fun of people's personal traits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 10/02/2007
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Cry me a river. She used the laugh during all 5 Sunday morning show appearances. I think we can agree she is no dummy, and that she plans her responses to questions. She chose to respond to questions, even legitimate ones, with an inappropriate, off-putting laugh. If that backfires, or elicits critism, she has to accept the consequences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 10/03/2007
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Maureen Dowd has published an incredible number of articles about men and women which had nothing to do with their credentials. Is is sexist for Rachel to call her out for doing the same for Hillary ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/02/2007
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So what's new? This is what Maureen Dowd does and always will do - takes a little scrap of prejudice masquerading as truth and teases us to death with it.

Hey, did you know Maureen Dowd and Ann Coulter are really twins separated at birth? Pass it around.

Maureen, my dear, you have spent too long in BushWorld - believe me, it shows. Time to pack it in, baby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 10/02/2007
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I have been terribly disappointed at Dowd's coverage of Senator Clinton. It almost seems like there is something personal there. This article does a nice job unpacking some of the problems with the way people cover women, especially those in power like politicians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/02/2007
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As a kid, I was meted out many "restrictions" to the house for bad behavior. One time I recall leaving the house unannounced before my "time was up" and was met outside by a girl my age confronting me with these words: "You're not supposed to be out here, you're on restriction." Without further ado, I hauled off and punched her in the face. I know, not civilized (I wasn't), and not fair (didn't first discuss the matter with her), I was a 6-yr-old girl. I am displeased with myself as once again, when I see Hillary in the "debates", my emotional reaction to her is the same as with the little girl who got in my face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 10/02/2007
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Clinton went on to state �If you look at the show, every time they get the president to approve something, the president gets in trouble, the country gets in trouble. And when Bauer goes out there on his own and is prepared to live with the consequences, it always seems to work better.".

Clinton's comments represent another case of an influential political figure discussing the benefits of torture in the context of a fictional TV show character.

Earlier this year Supreme Court judge Antonin Scalia also used the analogy at a panel discussion on torture, stating "Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles. ... He saved hundreds of thousands of lives... Are you going to convict Jack Bauer? Say that criminal law is against him? �You have the right to a jury trial?' Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer? I don't think so.�

Torturing and raping children is part of this policy that clinton is speaking of. There is no difference between Bush and Clinton. After all, Clinton was Bush Sr.'s "guest" at Bohemian Grove this summer. What does that tell you. Why would Billy boy want to wear a black robe and mock sacrifice a child?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 10/02/2007
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Never mind the silly nagging remark, that's all it is, "silly", why are we being lectured on "sexism" and "feminism" here? It's the worse kind of manipulation from blind supporters of this machine powered candidate.

Pray tell - What kind of a "feminist" claims professional recognition and takes professional credit from being someone's spouse???? That's the sordid deceit we are being asked to swallow on a huge scale. It undermines the entire "feminist" agenda.

Do you, and most importantly the candidate you defend so ardently, think we women and feminists of actual substance are stupid? Spare us, we know a fake when we see one: both your candidate and your arguments in her favor are prime examples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/02/2007

Never mind the spouse thing - how can any woman who sat on the board of Wal-Mart, the most famously misogynist company in America - be referred to as a feminist?

It's one thing to use your husband for political gain. It's quite another to make your living on the sweat and blood of sisters you're working to Keep Down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 10/02/2007
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OK, women, we are on a roll...
ONE:
HOW would a WOMAN, much less a Democratic Senator vote to go to war against a country that DID NOT ATTACK THE US FIRST? (I jumped all over Kerry also)

TWO:
WHY does a WOMAN support such an obvious corporate welfare queen enabler as the DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP COUNCIL? (a COMPLETE OXYMORON) (I've jumped all over that OTHER DLC gal, Feinstein also)

THREE:
I see no change in this corporate welfare scheme in changing her own husband's fiascos of NAFTA/CAFTA.

She's a woman
She's strong
She can handle the heat.
She's also so damn retro it hurts the teeth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 10/02/2007
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Hillary is obviously slated to be the next president in our dog and pony fake elections. It's just become such a joke. We have been proving for about 20 years now that our elections are rigged. (see Devvy Kidd's work going back to the late 80's) All I can say is look at Hillarys voting record. She is a neocon. She was a Nixon cheerleading volunteer for christsakes and was part of the attorney team to cover up the real crimes of watergate. Plus, she wants to please her master, Israel, and NUKE Iran under a pack of lies. watch for a new 9-11 with as many lies to get that started. Not to mention her beard hubby, Bill, saying torture is good on Meet the Press. This country is doomed under 30 years of Bush-Clint­on-Bush-Cl­inton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 10/02/2007
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iggy06

I VERY STRONGLY SECOND YOU!!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 10/02/2007

Thank you, Rachel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 10/02/2007
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Right on, Jane! I don't agree with everything Hillary says or does. Nor with anyone else. But I am so tired of hearing the pundits criticiae her for her lack of a sense of humor, then criticize her for her laugh, and on and on. Her policies are fair game and should be scrutinized but enough of the other stuff. I agree entirely with what you write about Maureen D. Wit by itself is not a substitute for analysis. Especially when it's cheap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 10/02/2007

"Wit by itself is not a substitute for analysis. Especially when it's cheap."

What we're seeing with Hillary is just the same thing we see with all the other candidates, run through a slightly different filter. It makes no more sense to concentrate on Hillary's gender than it does to concentrate on John Kerry's non-existant "flip-flopping," Al Gore's occasional public woodenness, Bill Clinton's sexual appetite...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/02/2007
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Here's a reason for you: Failure to lead.

Where was Hillary during the awful Congressional "Fristhole and Flabbo" years?

Other than that, she is post menopausal, I hope.

Edwards '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 10/02/2007
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