Chertoff: Border Fence Is Good For The Environment

AP   |  EILEEN SULLIVAN   |   October 1, 2007 08:10 PM


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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Monday defended the construction of a fence along the southwest border, saying it's actually better for the environment than what happens when people illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico line.

"Illegal migrants really degrade the environment. I've seen pictures of human waste, garbage, discarded bottles and other human artifact in pristine areas," Chertoff said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "And believe me, that is the worst thing you can do to the environment."

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"It's a ridiculous premise anyway, that illegal immigrants are worse than US citizens about litter."

Sorry, that statement's dead wrong, as anyone who's spent time in the S. Arizona Sonoran desert knows full well. The migrant trails are trashed. Snowdrifts of water jugs, bikes, suitcases, underwear, shoes, suitcases. The trail networks look like some dirt-bike playground, they're so dense. It's way outta hand.

As to wildlife migrations, there are virtually no cross-border land migration routes of any significance. Heavily trafficked Mexico Highway 1, a 4-lane, takes care of that, as does rampant poaching.

Border crossing isn't dangerous unless you're stupid. Many routes are less than 10 miles, and often they're dead flat. The highest season for apprehensions is winter, when Sonoran temperatures hover around 60F during daytime.

Border Mexicans call 'coyotes' polleros (literally chicken wranglers) because only a chicken needs a guide to cross. Mexicans in Sonoyta just roll their eyes when they hear about crossers dying of heat exhaustion and dehydration. "Que pendejos."

I've jumped the border myself, as an experiment, across the Organ Pipe backcountry, from Mex hwy 1 to US 8 through Arizona.

It was friggin' EZ. Two long days. But then I went in February, carried more than a gallon of water, and didn't try to do it wearing high heels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 10/02/2007
- DMcD I'm a Fan of DMcD 11 fans permalink
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Forget about the environment !!

Its the CHUPACABRE , we need to worry about. Hope this fence will do the trick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 10/02/2007

Canada now is blaming USA for the influx of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS seeking asylum in their country for economic reasons. Two weeks ago, the Canadian government stated, their universal healthcare will collapse if these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is allowed to enter their country. Since the crackdown of ICE on illegal immigrants, there are a quarter of a million of illegal immigrants seeking asylum in Canada. Very soon, Canada will also do what USA is doing right now, fence their borders to prevent these illegal immigrants entering their country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 10/02/2007

PUT UP THE BORDER FENCE!!!! I AM MORE WORRIED ABOUT US SECURITY AND WELFARE THAN SOME LIZARD THAT CAN'T CRAWL THEIR WAY BACK INTO USA!

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! TAKE A LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, THE STATE IS CLOSE TO BANKCRUPTCY. THEY'RE SPENDING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THRU WELFARE!

WELFARE WAS CREATED TO HELP AMERICAN FAMILIES GET UP ON THEIR FEET AGAIN, NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! SHIP OUT THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DRAINING OUR SYSTEM BACK TO THE HELLHOLE THEY CAME FROM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 10/02/2007
- richw23 I'm a Fan of richw23 3 fans permalink

He makes it too easy. I'd say industrial waste is a lot worse for the environment. It's a ridiculous premise anyway, that illegal immigrants are worse than US citizens about litter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/02/2007

Chertoff is an Israeli citizen himself. They LOVE huge WALLS in Israel. Keeps the garbage at bay. Too bad that what he considers garbage is in reality human beings fleeing starvation caused by NAFTA's economic earthquakes among Mexico's most vulnerable. Bush & Co. are also in bed with mega agribusiness, not to mention drug cartels. Those unchecked free-roving Mexican trucks are moving a lot of dope around too. It's all just another chapter in the wholesale destruction of our economy and sovreignty by the globalist elite, pupeteering CRF goons like Cheney into enacting even more crazed, racist abominations like the new Berlin, err.. Arizonan WALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 10/02/2007

"RICHW23"! How does UNILATERALLY labelling a premise "ridiculous" stand as any sort of rebuttal! It says little more than that the 'labeller' does not like the premise! It's an oft-used but insubstantive, rhetorical trope....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 10/02/2007
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 135 fans permalink
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So? The Korean DMZ has become a rare and invaluable wildlife refuge on the peninsula. Europe's last old-growth forest straddles the former Soviet border. The concept that an absurd steel barrier stretching hundreds of miles might help nesting birds is an absurd justification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 10/02/2007
- gonnuts I'm a Fan of gonnuts 14 fans permalink

What would be good for the environment is to put chertoff in an air-tight container.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 10/02/2007

Build a fence. Dig a moat. Set a mine field.
Keep 'em out. Keep 'em out. Keep 'em out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 10/02/2007


The idiot is putting the fence on the wrong border
put it up at the Canadian border. It will accomplish two useful things keep unwanted USAers out of Canada and at the same time spare Canada the expense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 10/02/2007
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

Okay, we'll just leave the Mexican border open until there are more Mexicans than us, then they'll trash the U. S., then they won't have jobs in the U. S., then they'll enter Canada illegally in the millions and Canada can pay for it.

There's nothing good for America about illegal aliens, wherever they come from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 10/02/2007

If USA can import enough intelligent people to launch a moon rocket then surely the expertise for a secure barrier should also be available.

Just put it on the Canadian border. On the USA side of the fence, buried landmines and automatic weapons with heat and sound sensors should prevent anyone departing for Canada. USA must have pictures of how others have done it, check out what the Israelis are doing and what the Germans did do for ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 10/02/2007
- Wiredwilly I'm a Fan of Wiredwilly 23 fans permalink

" Let them come to Berlin ".. John Kennedy
Anyone remember the word FREEDOM ?
An electronic wall across the Mexican Border ?
Who are these guys kidding ?
Texas is just stolen Mexican land . TEXAS is illegal.
Why don't they drain the Pacific Ocean so no boats can get in, or even better, spend another $ 5 Trillion to buy everyone their personal Tank, so instead of cars on the freeway we could have Tanks. Great way of life.
The Statue of Liberty should be covered with a paper bag from embarassment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/02/2007

Oh no! Not another La Raza supporter. You seem to forget that the majority of the Mexican citizens living in the Texas area wanted to leave the oppressive government they were under. Santa Anna did not have the snuff, much to his surprise.

You can actually read about the true history of the war on Mexican government web-sites. There are a few sites from the national government that are truthful.

I know it's hard for people like you to understand and remember history, but land conquering has been happening for THOUSANDS of years. America is just a baby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 10/02/2007
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

Californians supported the Bear Flag Revolt and sided with the U. S. because the Mexican government was sooo CORRUPT the people didn't want to belong to Mexico anymore. Sound familiar? Mexico=corruption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 10/02/2007
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

BS. Why don't you try going into Mexico illegally? Enjoy prison.

Give the Mexican War a rest, will ya? What do you think these Mexicans would do with TX or any other state if they did get possession of it? They'd turn it into the same elitist wasteland the rest of Mexico is and then they'd still be sneaking into what people like you consider to be the "real" U. S.

You should check out Mexico's history if you want to see a people who were always trying to take other peoples' territory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 10/02/2007
- midtown I'm a Fan of midtown 35 fans permalink

It is YOU -- and countless other Americans -- who needs to learn the history of the US.

Until 1800 all land west of the Mississippi was owned by Spain, as it had been for almost 300 years before. Spain conquered the Mexican Indians country. Spain was the first to land in America in 1513 (not the British). The USA did not take up the entire country, just a strip on the East Coast. (And BTW, the majority of this country spoke Spanish, not English, for 300 years, whereas English has only been the prevalent language in the 200 years since.)

On November 30 1803, Spain officially retroceded the land that became the "Louisiana Purchase" back to France so that the Spanish King could help Napoleon in his fight with the British, something the Spanish conquistadors here didn't approve of. Napoleon needed funds. Napoleon had got word that Jefferson wanted to buy land, and was willing to pay a handsome price for it. On December 20, 1803 (21 days later) Napoleon told Jefferson it could make the sale, he had possession, and ten days later on December 31, 1803, the US paid $15 million and doubled the size of the US.

Read this:
"Immigration — and the Curse of the Black Legend"
By TONY HORWITZ
Published: July 9, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/opinion/09horwitz.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 10/02/2007

Mexico has had, at least, THREE revolutions that easily come to mind. NONE of them changed anything substantive; the social order continued to drift in and out of New World versions of feudalism....with the RCC only deprived(?) of its control of some schools......! Oh yes! Wonderful PEMEX was est. out of the ruins of the nationalized, petroleum industry in the late 1930s.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 10/02/2007

It's time to stop talking about the fence and to start building the darn thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 10/02/2007

Build it on the Canadian border.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 10/02/2007

CHERTOFF MUST HAVE BEEN LOOKING IN A MIRROR WHEN HE SAW HUMAN WASTE......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/02/2007
- Trittydi I'm a Fan of Trittydi 59 fans permalink
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Is that supposed to be funny Chertoff? Why isn't anyone willing to be honest about the nature and causes of the immigration problem. Pollution?

Simplistic idiot.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 10/02/2007
- hootie1fan I'm a Fan of hootie1fan 12 fans permalink

Is Chertoff another Bushie who can't read &/or doesn't believe in science?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 10/02/2007
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 138 fans permalink

"Mister Bush, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/02/2007
- Veleria29 I'm a Fan of Veleria29 4 fans permalink

A wall will not stop the illigals from coming into this country. They are looking for jobs. I have a suggestion since it is obvious that this administration does not intend to enforce the laws already on the books why don't we make Mexico a state of the United States. The President could become the Governor. Large compaines could build factories in Mexico making jobs available for the Mexicans. Everyone would pay income tax and be subject to the same laws as the American people. Then there would be no need for the Mexicans to come here , the Americans could flock to Mexico where the cost of living would be cheaper than living here and still not lose their status as being an American citizen.
Just a thought. However jobs are the reason the Mexicans come here, problem solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 10/02/2007

"Just a thought." Albeit delusionally insane!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 10/02/2007

Hell of a good idea! Do a name change at the same time may I suggest the United States of Mexico?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 10/02/2007
- csavage I'm a Fan of csavage 77 fans permalink
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Actually, that's a good idea, but we don't have to take over Mexico-just the 500 miles or so immediately south of the US border. We can place public health clinics and sites for people to seek jobs legally in the US. Mexicans are Indians-they are not descended from the Spanish at all. If you go to Mexico City, you may find some of the more wealthy ones with Spanish blood but, by and large, the ones I see in the hospital are Indian and they are not very hardy folk at all.
The wall is a joke-nothing but a frivolous waste of cash to pander to the right-wing. Enforcing the laws already on the books is the way to go. And, if you want to see what the southwest will look like in 50 years if we don't do something, stop by my office, I'll show you an entire brightly painted slum filled with Spanish language advertisement
Si se puede....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 10/02/2007
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