Majority Opposes Bush's $190 Billion War Funding Request

Washington Post   |  Jon Cohen, Dan Balz   |   October 1, 2007 06:31 PM


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Most Americans oppose fully funding President Bush's $190 billion request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a sizeable majority supports an expansion of a children's health insurance bill the president has promised to veto, putting Bush and many congressional Republicans on the wrong side of public opinion on upcoming foreign and domestic policy battles.

The new Washington Post-ABC News poll also shows deep dissatisfaction with the president and Congress. Bush's approval rating stands at 33 percent, equal to his career low in Post-ABC polls. Congressional aproval is even lower: Just 29 percent approve of the job the Congress is doing. That is Congress's lowest approval rating in this poll since November 1995, when Republicans controlled both the House and Senate, and represents a 14-point drop since Democrats took control last January.

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- Doug I'm a Fan of Doug 13 fans permalink

Funny other polls show an 11% approval rating for congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 10/01/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1588 fans permalink
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Most likely because they have failed to end the fraud in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 10/01/2007
- OhMy I'm a Fan of OhMy permalink

Senate set to approve $150 billion for wars

Democrats on track to OK further funding despite Iraq policy divide


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21089400/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 10/01/2007
- Doug I'm a Fan of Doug 13 fans permalink

The government, democrats and republicans alike, have no intension of FULLY leaving Iraq. We will maintain a military presence in Iraq for at least a decade, possible two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 10/01/2007
- MI6troll I'm a Fan of MI6troll 25 fans permalink

Might also be that douggie does not know how to break out the poll numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 10/01/2007
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

In 2006, the American people voted to oust those members of Congress who sided with George Bush on torture, war, gutting education funding, gutting health care funding, and the War on Terra' lie machine.

We are angry because they have let us down and have not removed the Dictator in Chief. We fear for the lives of innocent Middle Eastern people. We fear that our own sons will be drafted into endless war against countries that harbor the last the significant reserves of oil. We fear that what many say is true.....t­hat most Americans are too stupid to know when they have been fooled by a fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 10/01/2007
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

Yes Doug, the republican course of the congress is hugely unpopular.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 10/01/2007
- Doug I'm a Fan of Doug 13 fans permalink

Um..... congress has a democratic majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 10/01/2007
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 66 fans permalink
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All these polls show such a low approval rating for congress presume that it is a low approval rating for the Democrats. Last I checked Congress had two parties. Moreover most people say that they are angry at Congress for not accomplishing much (which I agree). But ask yourself, who is responsible for the Congress not accomplishing anything?

If I was a filibustering and veto-sustaining Republican member of congress I wouldn't be so smug about how the approval numbers are so low.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 10/01/2007

The Democratic Party has the votes to force a change in our Iraq policy. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

The Democrats hold a majority in the House, where appropriations bills originate. In the Senate, it only takes 41 Senators to prevent a bill from coming to a vote. Even without Lieberman, Senate Democrats have nine votes to spare.

No more excuses, Pelosi and Reid! And no more of the "we need a veto-proof majority" lie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 10/01/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1588 fans permalink
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The Democratic Party has the votes to force a change in our Iraq policy. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying -DatelessNerd

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Not true. They can do what Kucinich has been saying. Don't bring up any bill up for a vote that has a single budget item related to Iraq fraud.

That's it.

So, don't tell me that it cannot be done. That is simply not true.

The above said, there is possible price to pay in November 2008 if they do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 10/01/2007

EGGS-ACTLY! No more money for G.D. private security firms like Blackwater, Custer-Battles, DynCorp., AD NAUSEUM.
Cut that portion out and see how long Bush and Co. is willing to stay in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 10/01/2007
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1588 fans permalink
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Unless the public opinion is unanimously gainst funding, Dems in the Congress will play it "safe" and offer Bush an even $200 Billion, in case he needs it to feed the troops soon to be involved in Iran fraud.

Dems have proven time and again, that they have no ability to lead on this issue.

They are wimps. They are afraid to lead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 10/01/2007
- levibatgirl I'm a Fan of levibatgirl 279 fans permalink
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This photo of the demonstrators is a breath of fresh air. ;)

Yeah, good people!!! I love you all!

What else can we do when they ignore our votes and what the polls are telling them? Damn bastards!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 10/01/2007

CONSUMER STRIKE!!!! I keep telling you, all they understand is money. Read "Gulag Archipeligo" by Alexander Solzyneisc­hken(sp?).
He said, "The only way to beat Russia, is to starve Russia.".
If we want to beat these soulless corporate bastards, WE HAVE TO STARVE THEM OF PROFITS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 10/01/2007

http://electionline.org/Default.aspx?tabid=474

Absentee Voting rules by State. Also, you mail in a request with a stamped self addressed envelope to receive an Absentee Ballot in my State. And, Seniors can receive an Absentee Ballot in my town by just calling the Registra's office at least 10 days prior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 10/01/2007
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

In my state - Ohio - anyone can vote absentee without stating a reason. You can thank wise Democrats for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 10/01/2007
- ultomatt I'm a Fan of ultomatt 13 fans permalink

Dictator's (ooops...D­ecider's) don't listen to "the people". Let Herr Bush prove he's not one by listening to the people (ain't gonna happen).

Everything he does is designed to profit the military-i­ndustrial-­congressio­nal complex. That is what it's about...wa­r profits. A million dead Iraqi's? Almost 4000 dead Americans? He couldn't care less...but if you hit him in his profits, you'll get his attention.­..that's the only thing he values. It's also the reason he's pushing the world toward a permanent state of war, because it's good for his "base", the death billionaires who haven't stolen enough money yet from the American people.

Think about one year, and 190 billion dollars. The US's greatest technical achievement, the Apollo program, cost 25 billion over a ten year period! If you expand this idiotic "request" over a ten year period, you have 1.9 trillion dollars down the drain. That's enough to pay for 76 Apollo programs for Christ's sake!!!! Let's say that there's a five to one inflation rate...tha­t's still 15 Apollo programs..­.with no return whatsoever on this monstrous "investment" other than a "safer feeling"!!!!

America NEEDS to wake up and resurrect the Constituti­on...and let it be the guide for dealing with these criminals of every stripe and color, and in every branch of our hopelessly corrupt government. This isn't a Republican or Democrat thing, this is an American thing, as in, protect and defend the Constitution when those who swore to do it turned out to be far worse than liars!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 10/01/2007
- Synoia I'm a Fan of Synoia 6 fans permalink

Take to $190 million out of the defence budget, let's see some fireworks as somone's pet defence contract is "deferred".

And who ARE we goin to fight with those expensive FA-22s, brand new shiny nooclear submarines, and yet another aircraft carrier?

Who?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 10/01/2007

Actually, the American death toll in Iraq could be as much as 25% higher than the figures being cited by OUR media. They only report the military's "in-field deaths", and not those deaths that occur after a soldier has been med-evacued to an "off-theatre" MASH location, or one who dies later in a U.S. military hospital in either Germany or stateside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 10/01/2007

Watching the weak Bush Repoopicon dollar collapse throughout the world, (It's now being called the US peso.) I have a new argument against the Oil War in Iraq.

Let's forget about the 100,000s of dead Iraqis and 10,000s of dead and wounded Americans. Let's concentrate only on money, something Repoopicons claim to love.

The Oil War is being fought almost entirely with borrowed money, and the world is getting sick of holding the US Treasury's IOUs.

Something has to give. Either the Repoopicons raise taxes, or the US dollar becomes a joke.

And if you don't pay for you wars, your dollars will be worhtless pieces of engraved paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 10/01/2007
- Synoia I'm a Fan of Synoia 6 fans permalink

Actually the dollar will become worth the paper it's printed on....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 10/01/2007
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And also keep in mind that while you're paying for the war there are a lot of other things that you aren't paying for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 10/01/2007
- JerryJef I'm a Fan of JerryJef 8 fans permalink

Until the Cornyn Resolution and the Kyle-Lieberman Amendment I thought the Democrats were sincere in their opposition to the war but just didn't know what they were doing. I thought they had forgotten how to fight being the last real battle I can remember was the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I no longer believe that.

Don't get your undies in wad or max out your blood pressure. Democrats will fall all over themselves to give Bush whatever he asks for. It is not that Harry Reid doesn't have the votes to kill filibusters. It is that half his votes go with the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 10/01/2007

Even if all of his votes went his way, they still don't have enough votes to invoke cloture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 10/01/2007

NOT A PENNY !!!

Tell Hallaburton & friends to caught up thier own money- and troops. WE'll sell the shit already there- have at it- but we are out of there NOW!!!!! not 6 more, then 6 more, then 6 more..Just get the troops HOME. Let the terrorist and the Imperialist settle their issues with out US
War Crimes- Bushco (ask the UN)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/01/2007
- mommadona I'm a Fan of mommadona 162 fans permalink
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Correction in my last post:

WHY is this whole shebang *NOT* under an actual DOD BUDGET REVIEW AND CONTROL?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 10/01/2007
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

Why was the Pentagon allowed to "lose" trillions of dollars right before 9/11. And why was Rumsfeld allowed to announce it on 9/10 as if - "Hey! There's nothing that can be done! It's gone!!?"

Has anyone ever tried to find out if the Pentagon paid for 9/11 with those funds?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 10/01/2007

the whole 9/11 attack cost Al Qaeda was less than 10 million dollars.

It did about a billion worth of damage, but worse was the 100 billion Guiliani spent reacting to it. That is asymmetrical warfare at it's best. Getting the enemy to waste resources chasing ghosts.

Only numbnut Bush could top that with a war costing trillions.
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/wasp.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 10/01/2007
- Thalia I'm a Fan of Thalia 162 fans permalink

Bush initially said this would cost a total of 50 billion.

Is there anything this man gets right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 10/01/2007
- MI6troll I'm a Fan of MI6troll 25 fans permalink

Well, 100% of what he has said has been wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 10/01/2007
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

It did cost 50 billion... and an extra trillion..­. and counting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 10/01/2007

Oh, no, he got the war in Iraq exactly right ... for his backers.

They don't care about soldiers, public opinion, right or wrong -- what they care about is killing the U.S. government (shrinking it so it can be strangled in a bathtub) which, other than defense, is happening. And paying off the contractors. Okay, and ruining the U.S. military so Blackwater and its ilk can take over more easily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 10/01/2007

Actually, Bush didn't say that. The guy that DID, Bush fired. Pronto. Didi. Like right quick. Gimme five minutes and I'll tell you his name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 10/01/2007

Rumsfeld was fired OCT 3, 2006 that was 3 years and six months after Mission Accomplished.

MA DAY=may 1, 2003

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 10/01/2007
- wsblake I'm a Fan of wsblake 9 fans permalink

Actually Wolfowitz and Feith- both "planners" of the invasion- guaranteed the cost would only be about $2billion- all of which they also guaranteed would be paid by the Iraqis themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 10/02/2007
- mommadona I'm a Fan of mommadona 162 fans permalink
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OK, I'LL ASK:

WHY are they allowing this fiasco to be 'funded' by SUPPLIMENTALS TO THE ACTUAL DOD BUDGET?

This isn't an 'ACTION'
This isn't a 'FORAY'

WHY is this whole shebang under an actual DOD BUDGET REVIEW AND CONTROL?

(if you have an ounce of brains, you know it's the RAID OF THE FEDERAL TREASURY, Iraq Division)

AND, after JANUARY 9, 2009 -
Will the PIRATES OF THE MAYBERRY MAFIA be held accountable and will the HUGE TREASURES ACCUMULATED be returned to it's rightful ownership of the AMERICAN TAX PAYER?

WILL, Chalabi give it back?
WILL, Richard Perle give it back?
WILL, Paul Wolfowitz give it back?
WILL, Doug Feith give it back?
WILL, Robert Novak finally be outted?

Stay tuned, boys and girls, and grils.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 10/01/2007

This isn't an 'ACTION'
This isn't a 'FORAY'

Maybe it is a 'SORTIE'
or could be a 'CLUSTER_F@&K'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 10/01/2007

I'll take cluster f@&k for $1,000, Alex

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 10/01/2007

I meant to say.......­....we can VOTE them out if they count paper ballots.

Not sure they will even do that anymore. They want to control the vote and they can electronically.

We need to start now on the voting process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 10/01/2007
- HBeachbum I'm a Fan of HBeachbum 11 fans permalink

Just think, if the Dems in Florida weren't so stupid that they couldn't punch the right chad (that the Dems designed) we would still have paper ballots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 10/01/2007
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

Theresa LaPore, former employee of Bush family friend Saudi Arabian Adnan Khashoggi, worked for the Republicans. She is credited with designing the butterfly ballot that when folded, didn't line up the holes with the proper candidates. Therefore, when a person voted, they may have punched the hole that lined up with someone they did not plan to select.

Designing and using this ballot to create problems with the election that Jeb Bush promised to "win" for his brother was a federal crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 10/01/2007

HBitchbumola, obviously you've never attended Bingo Night at one of "the old folks homes" down in Florida. The very idea that someone capable of tracking a dozen bingo cards simultaneously would not be "all up on" how to operate a punch card machine is bloody laughable.
Spliff time ro you, dude. Goforit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 10/01/2007
- OneTop I'm a Fan of OneTop 93 fans permalink
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Given that Bush Inc. is completely reliant upon the Mercenary Army of Blackwater et al.
~ 180,000-200,000 people in Iraq alone.
And, yes it dwarfs the official armed forces personnel, Bush needs the money to keep the payroll running for the Mercenaries.
It's really a shame that the MSM keeps referring to these outfits as "Security Firms" and doesn't take the time or energy to look under the hood and report on what is really going on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 10/01/2007

All over NPR this afternoon. That's a start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 10/01/2007

The Sturm Abteilung or SA was a security group. Sinclair Lewis in his 1935 novel, "It Can't Happen Here" predicted the American version of the SA would be corporate. In the novel he called them the Corpoes or Corporate police.
They were also depicted in the movie "Meet John Doe" (1941) as D.B. Norton's security men. D.B. Norton was a multimillionaire with ambitions to be dictator of the USA played by character actor Edward Arnold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 10/02/2007

Not that this administration cares what we the people think, or what the polling shows.
The President and his cronies will continue on their carefully plotted neocon course until the Democratic Party grows a pair and refuses to fund this illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Are you listening Dems?
You need to really stand up for our men and women in the service and get them out of Iraq now.
Peace Now, Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 10/01/2007
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