Saddam and Iraq were dead ducks after 9-11. Even if flailing Gore had been elected in 2000. The stunted, shell shocked Ostrichy 2008 contention that this war is then one of sheer opportunity or contrivance is patently phony.

Context is everything. Thanks to brooklyncitizen you are the Cicero of this thread. Congratulations.

Wait, aren't the liberals and the conservatives
supposed to be different? I'm so confused...apparently, so are they, so I don't
feel alone anymore! ROTF

What a sad, sad sick joke this 'war' has been,
meanwhile the war profiteers go right on with
their business, which seems to be pretty
lucrative, while our military is made a farce
of, and the 'deciderer' tries to get out from
between Iraq and a hard place...when it's
all over with, will there be an external top-to-bottom audit of the Penta$cam, or will it
be permitted to continue being a runaway,
publicly unaccountable, self-perpetuating
franchise for whom no appropriations bill is
too large, no half-truth too small? 9 trillion,
and counting...

That sure does have a lot more impact than Petraeus/Betrayus. The Rush O'Hannity syndicate insisting that the Iraq debate is just about liberals vs. conservatives are so far behind the times they're in a different time zone.

Is congress going to waste days debating this! Not because it is a conservative rag. This is soooo screwed up in soooo many ways. I did request that my Dem Senator that voted against MoveOn give back the $8000.00. Haven't had a reply, I wonder why. Hypocrite

Imagine that!

Who would have thunk it. :)

correction. the rug BUSH wipes his boots on>

that weren't no Gibbs type slap to the head, tha t puppy was a full Monty.

I wonder if the Boner and Lieberman crew will demand an Inquiry as to who would say such a dastardly thing about the rug wipes his boots on, and ya gotta wonder if the flaccid piece of shiet Reid will even mount a protest?? one can hope cant they??

Sycophant = asskisser

Actually, Bacevich compliments Petraeus for being a serious student of counterinsurgencies. He legitimately complains that Petraeus failed to do what a good political general should do and instead chose to play the roll of a sycophant to further his career.

Bacevich makes a number of very points but the one that requires considerable publicity is his statement that if we are in a global war on terror, and, if it isn't just a shame, why on Earth wasn't this country placed on a war footing in September 2001, when the majority of the population would have supported it? Instead, Bush told the American people to cool their heels at the mall. Basevich's observations regards military tactics are important: Once an adversary is on the run, you do as Patton suggested...grab him by the nose and kick him in the ass and keep kicking until he gives up. You don't work to please politicians at the expense of sound tactics. Further Bacevich is correct in pointing out the the military and political aims in Iraq have never been in sync and until they are we can have no effective long-term strategy.

I found Bacevich's observation that Bush has essentially abdicated his commander in chief roll an given to the field commander important. I'm not sure that has ever occurred in US history.

Ignominous, traditional CEO's allow only incompetents, cheer leaders, bootlickers, sycophants, automatonic tools, and opportunists of every description. These despicable staff turn an achieving and productive organization into a cesspool of rumor, backstabbing, mendacity and dishonor.
The leadership of all organizations of our American Republic must swim furiously to keep from being pulled into the same precipitiously declining administration of President George W. Bush. His government has stained our sacred Constitution and brought shame to our citizens and allies of self government through-out the World. His Administration has placed the black letter "I" (for Incompetent) over the heart of America.
May the Good and Merciful Overseer of all of us forgive the President for his trespasses. As respectful of the Golden Rule as I be, I can not forgive him for his sins against our Republic of citizens and unrequited harm to innocent people of the world in the name of the United States of America.

Three things for sure:

1) Petraeus is no George Patton
2) Petraeus is no Douglas MacArthur
3) Petraeus is no Stormin' Norman

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Sycophant Savior,
The Surgin' General's lost war:
Yesterday's flavor.
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It's interesting that there's not been one peep out of anyone in Congress over this magazine article.

Conservatives and Liberals are starting to hate the NeoCons ... those who are openly raping the Constitution.

The GOP opened the door to NeoCons and are just now realizing the enormous blunder. The Dems haven't been any brighter. Pelosi has been Bush's protector since Day One.

MoveOn will be proved to have been in the vanguard ... correct all along. The real war is the NeoCons vs American citizens. Both sides are waking up ... finally.

Well, if they go after liberal organizations, they damn well better start criticizing this magazine, as well.

Oh shit....will there be MORE taxpayer money wasted on ANOTHER non-binding resolution condemning this article?

I have a suggestion for the Senate. Why don't they write an all encompassing non-binding resolution condemning EVERYONE from here on out that says BOO about Petraeus? Save time and money for a change.

The thing that I really like about this is that it makes the Democrats that voted to censure Move-On look like complete and absolute HORSES ASSES!

Hear that Democrats? You are HORSES ASSES!!
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Ooooh! Ooooooooh!! Do I smell another censure resolution? do I, do I?
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This is the most amazing turn of events..........wonder if MoveOn will pick up on this and jam it up all those idiot loud mouth blow hards asses. Unfrickenbelievable.

Clearly they are "phony" conservatives, another liberal media outlet dressed in elephant's clothing. Or at least that's what I would say if I was a neo-conservative pretending to be a real conservative.

Straight-out-of-Central-Casting General Petraeus will be well rewarded for his Congressional performance when he retires from the Army. Apparently he cares less about his place in history & more about his place on future boards of directors. I wouldn't be surprised to see him join John Major (Gulf War I) on the board of the Carlyle Group.

Will Rush Limpballs and the rest of the hypocritical Right blast The American Conservative for it's point of view? Where's the righteous indignation about Col. Bacevich being a phony soldier? What if the mag were called The American Liberal? There would be a resolution passed in Congress condemning it. If I were a Dem. I would jump on this like a pit bull. But Democrats in Congress are as gutless as The GOP is hypocritical. Everybody in our government makes me sick to my stomach.

Petraeus didn't get the stars on his shoulder by NOT playing politics. From Lt Col on up...politics makes or breaks you.

I watched the entire Petraeus briefing and if you closed your eyes and just listened, you would have heard "W's" voice.

I do believe it was his boss, Admiral Fallon that labeled him a Sycophant first...as well as an "ass kissing chicken shit".

I'm also reminded of a saying that fits....

"IF YOU LIE WITH DOGS, YOU GET UP WITH FLEAS".