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Fox's Chris Wallace Backs Obama On Flag Pin

October 5, 2007 12:15 PM


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Barack Obama has an unexpected ally in the spat over his decision to stop wearing an American flag lapel pin, which he says has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since 9/11.

Chris Wallace, host of Fox News Sunday, said this morning that he doesn't wear a flag pin either "because I kind of agree [with Obama] to the extent that I think that you can be a true patriot and not wear it."

Fox News has been covering Obama's flag pin comments heavily today, far more than the other cable news nets. At one point, Fox legal correspondent Judge Andrew Napolitano declared that Obama was "disrespecting the American flag" to appeal "to a hard-left audience." (Strangely, Napolitano voiced the very opposite opinion during the same segment. "I don't think it makes you less patriotic at all," he said. "I don't wear the pin, and I'm a patriot." Huh?)

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- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 32 fans permalink

the American flag is a symbol just like a word is a symbol. dont abandon the symbol to the government or a political faction. use it as you chose. it is your absolute right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 10/05/2007
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Wrong.

While it may appear that way in actuality there are regulations that govern the use of the flag.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 10/05/2007

The flag pin has become the symbol of Obama's immaturity and inexperience. That's the fatal mistake here. It's not about the Pin and the Flag, it's about Obama proving, once again, that he's not ready for the big chair in the Whitehouse. It's about Obama taking some tiny, crappy little pin and destroying himself with it.

Flag pins everywhere now represent on thing....vote for Hillary, Obama isn't ready.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 10/05/2007
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 32 fans permalink

Chris Wallace really stuck his neck with that controversial comment. You mean there are adults out there who think wearing a flag pin is the exact same thing as being patriotic? I wear a flag pin and have always been against our militaristic trend. that trend itself is unpatriotic and anticonstitutional. My flag pin is an anti- dictator statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 10/05/2007
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Your flag pin is a violation of the flag code.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 10/05/2007
- PopeRatzo I'm a Fan of PopeRatzo 19 fans permalink
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there are also people who believe wearing a cross makes you a Christian.

I bet Ted Haggard was wearing a cross when he was doing crystal meth with his male whore.

I bet Larry Craig had a cross AND an American Flag Lapel Pin while he was picking up men in public bathrooms.

I bet President Bush thought he was being patriotic as hell when he wore a flight suit and used an aircraft carrier as a prop. He probably wears a flag lapel pin every day.

I think we've had enough phony patriotism to last a lifetime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 10/05/2007
- Zhonni I'm a Fan of Zhonni 15 fans permalink
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Amin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 10/05/2007
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 10/06/2007
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Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
© John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 10/05/2007
- whomung I'm a Fan of whomung 4 fans permalink

Nice

I forgot to mention John Prine in the "Bruce Springsteen" Traitor or Patriot" Thread.....

Another "Country singer" (in the woody guthrie, pete seeger tradition of the great voices of the working class) and lifelong supporter of Democracy and Freedom,

Hell of a Songwriter

--
whomung

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 10/06/2007
- massimo1 I'm a Fan of massimo1 5 fans permalink

Everyone knows these people in politics are Americans, so what does wearing a pin prove? Nothing. The flag pin thing is such a redherring issue. It's Patriotism for Dummies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/05/2007
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 39 fans permalink

Wrong,massimo1, a lapel flag pin is patriotism for chickenhawk cowards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 10/05/2007
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 31 fans permalink


The pins were made in China and recently recalled due to extreme amounts of lead.

No wonder our federal politicians have been so bizarre and ineffective:

since 2001 they've had a lead induced brain impairment.

.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 10/05/2007
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 10/05/2007

Nazi party members wore swastzer pins and arm bans to show loyalty to the Führe and the party. If they were really good nazis Hitler himself would pin it on your suit or dress as was the case with Maria Magdalena Goebbels before she killed her 5 children and than was shot by her husband in order to die with the Führe, Berlin 1945.

I not sure this tradition that mostly Republicans have adopted is something to be prowed of. It has not been the tradion of our American Democracy for civilian leaders to ware their patriotism on their there sleeve, so to speak, even after Perl Harbor, it frankly gives me the creeps. When Larry Craig wore his flag pin in his mug shoot, I found that more appalling than his wide stance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 10/05/2007
- genmalia I'm a Fan of genmalia 6 fans permalink

I wonder if this means people will stop with the magnetic ribbons, or giant American Flag stickers splashed across their rear windows on their cars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 10/05/2007

One would hope, but there is still plenty of white trash out there...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 10/05/2007
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They should, almost every use by the unthinkingly "patriotic" (read Jingoistic) are violations of the flag code:

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#176

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 10/05/2007

ok, we get it. enough with the code crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 10/06/2007
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Anyone who has to wear a flag lapel pin, is a total idiot. If they don't have any idea what country they are in by now, they should be deported for obviously being an illegal alien.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 10/05/2007

This is by far the most shocking video relating to "lapel pin"-gate. In it, a conservative radio host makes some of the most glaringly partisan and absurd statements I've heard in weeks (and thats saying something)

FOX News & Mark Williams
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=3f0528aa-a052-4a85-8513-0c1b1fff791a

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 10/05/2007
- Zhonni I'm a Fan of Zhonni 15 fans permalink
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I saw the video. It was something thats all I'll say. Appalled is not the word. I think the words of the man and the man himself are disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 10/05/2007
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Well that was sickening! That ought to pretty much finish Fox News in the eyes of any thinking, moral human being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 10/06/2007
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Sickening sickening.

#1 - why didn't anyone ask the rabid interviewer where his flag pin was?

#2 - why hasn't Fox taken issue with all the Republican candidates who do not wear flag pins?

#3 - IS THIS LIKE NAZI GERMANY WITH THE IRON CROSS AND THE HITLER YOUTH?

#4 - Fox News boys think they win arguments by out-interrupting and out-shouting the other guy.

Fox News is Al Jezeera - not one bit better

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 10/06/2007
- whomung I'm a Fan of whomung 4 fans permalink

No.... it's not as good

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 10/06/2007
- missette I'm a Fan of missette 23 fans permalink

If we continue to choose presidents based on phony displays of patriotism, we will continue to get the kind of "phony soldier" presidents we deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 10/05/2007

This all reminds me of a song by Sage Francis.

I give you Makeshift Patriot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdzFhBtxW0A

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 10/05/2007

With the way his candidacy is tanking, Barack Hussein has to do something newsworthy to stay in the news! Another example of his charades ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 10/05/2007

I think that, even after Barack wins Iowa, people like you will probably still say his candidacy is tanking.

This flag pin story is a news item only because of the media fascination with the topic. Barack Obama gets asked a lot of questions by voters after speeches, town hall meetings and forums, but this lapel pin story is the one that Fox News and others are reporting? All Barack did was honestly answer a question from a voter (and he's right about the substance of the issue, by the way). The ensuing hoopla is just knee-jerk reactionary gotcha politics as usual.

It is probably too much to hope that the media will tell stories about the actual issues of the day instead of these stupid litmus test and political horserace type of things, but there are lots of candidates that are not sporting a flag pin so I expect to see Hillary, Rudy, Mitt et al grilled on why they don't wear flag pins either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 10/05/2007
- djthedj I'm a Fan of djthedj 2 fans permalink

Aren't you late for the Klan rally? Quick, run get your hood. I think you left it under the bed when you were hiding in terror the other day from the big bad A-rabs that are coming to get you. Don't worry, your Klan brothers won't mind the piss stains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 10/05/2007

With the way his candidacy is tanking, Barack Hussein has to do something newsworthy to stay in the news! Another example of his charades ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 10/05/2007

Clearly a simple pin does not make someone more patriotic than another. But Obama is not just making a wardrobe choice, he is making a statement as well. This statement basically treats the display of the flag and “true patriotism” as mutually exclusive. He says that he will demonstrate his patriotism by telling people what “will make this country great.” (Some of us believe it's already great.) Can he not act and speak patriotically at the same time that he dresses patriotically?

Read more and discuss this at http://www.thecoin.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 10/05/2007
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Wearing a flag pin while not in uniform is not patriotic; it is a violation of the flag code. One who violates the code does not have respect for the flag.

The same goes for those who would write upon the flag, like Bush does when he give out autographs on the flag. Disrespectful bastard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 10/05/2007

code,code,code

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/06/2007
- missette I'm a Fan of missette 23 fans permalink

If your type is so impressed with "patriotic dress," why have so few of your candidates served in the military, the ultimate in patriotic dress? That you would even consider the wearing the a pin a criterion for determining your vote means you are the easily manipulated type of voter who will vote against your own best interests the most craven of candidates dreams of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 10/08/2007
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Also while it appeals to cheap patriotism it's technically in violation of the flag code.

Wearing a flag lapel pin isn't disrespecting the flag at all, in fact it's doing the exact opposite. Where was Napolitano a judge, the county fair?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 10/05/2007
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er that should have read

"NOT wearing a flag lapel pin isn't disrespecting the flag at all, in fact it's doing the exact opposite."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/05/2007
- Sumocat I'm a Fan of Sumocat 32 fans permalink

The flag should not be worn as a pin anyway. Per the flag code:

"The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations. Flag lapel pins may also be worn."

In addition to being a patch on a uniform, a lapel pin is acceptable... on a uniform. Wearing a flag, except on an official uniform, is a violation of the flag code and, therefore, offensive to the flag.

I respect purposeful violations of the code as a means of expression, but I despite violations done in ignorance under the pretext of patriotism. Either respect it properly or disrespect it intentionally, but break the code and claim you respect the flag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 10/05/2007
- milo9 I'm a Fan of milo9 11 fans permalink
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Great job on Hardball, Nico!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 10/05/2007
- johnnyjust I'm a Fan of johnnyjust 6 fans permalink

I could care less about who wears what.

One does wonder why he mentioned it, though. If he had simply stopped wearing one, who would have noticed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 10/05/2007
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 121 fans permalink
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Every fat-assed, limp-dicked, cowrdly, lying republican with a radio program...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 10/05/2007
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He was asked at a rally...probably by someone who was a plant for the Republicans. This whole race for the presidency has become like a bunch of children on the playground...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 10/05/2007
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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So there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 10/05/2007

Conservative radio jocks are bashing Obama about his flag pin remark. If you look at what he said, what exactly is wrong with him not wearing the flag on his lapel? Does wearing that pin somehow make you more patriotic? This is the way the right is, all talk but no action. They talk about patriotism, but when its time to serve your nation they all suddenly develop anal cysts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 10/05/2007
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