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Democrats Win Praise From Surge Supporter O'Hanlon

October 17, 2007 01:27 AM


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2007-10-17-ohanlon.jpgThe top three Democratic White House hopefuls have faced withering criticism for refusing to commit to withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq by 2013, the end of the next presidential term. But at least one prominent war proponent is commending Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards for their newfound "flexibility."

Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign policy at the Brookings Institution and ubiquitous voice on Iraq war policy, spoke favorably of the Democratic frontrunners' recent statements on Iraq. In an interview with the Huffington Post, he touted the top-tier candidates for waiting to see the complete fallout of the President Bush's troop surge and for not committing to a war policy more than a year in advance.

"There is still fifteen months before [Clinton, Obama or Edwards] will be President. It's just factual that they cannot predict exactly what they are going to do in Iraq," O'Hanlon said. "I think the Democratic position allows all three of the top people to move in the Republican direction if things move around in the next twelve months... Clearly they aren't likely to do that unless things get dramatically better."

O'Hanlon -- whose New York Times op-ed with colleague Ken Pollack, entitled "A War We Might Just Win," was promoted enthusiastically by supporters of Bush's strategy -- acknowledged that his own views on Iraq fall well to the "right" of the Democratic field. But he praised the presidential frontrunners for resisting a firm pledge on Iraq withdraw, something consistently favored by the majority of Americans in public opinion polls.

"The only thing that would have concerned me would have been a repeat of 2003, where the populist's message of 'get out now' would overtake the Democratic Party... And low and behold we get to the election and Iraq is looking better and low and behold the Democrats lose the election," said O'Hanlon, who has given modestly in the 2008 cycle - two $200 contributions earlier this year to Senator Hillary Clinton.

O'Hanlon is a frequent target of war critics, who assail him for consistently advocating an aggressive U.S. policy in Iraq even after his previous predictions of success have proven false.

"Number one, before campaigns start taking the advice of Mr. O'Hanlon they should take a look at his track record on this issue," said former Rep. Tom Andrews, National Director of the Win Without War coalition. "Number two, most of us were very surprised that not a single one of the leading three Democratic candidates was able to give an emphatic and direct answer to that question. If you don't think you are going to have troops out by the end of your first term in office, then you have a fundamentally different idea of what is going on in Iraq and what is required to solve this catastrophe."

Despite generally agreeing that troops will remain in Iraq for the next six years, there are slight differences in the policies of the three Democratic frontrunners; although Andrews acknowledged that the differences are "murky." Obama has emphasized keeping troops in the region for diplomatic, humanitarian, and counterterrorism purposes. Clinton has talked about leaving combat troops in Iraq with the goal of fighting terrorism. Edwards, meanwhile, has stressed an immediate draw down of 40,000 to 50,000 troops, with a continual draw down soon thereafter.

"If you try to take the gist of the Democratic Party conglomeration, the message is, if things don't get a lot better we are going to limit our goals. We won't be doing as much patrolling, we are not going to be as willing to take casualties or bolster a political order," summarized O'Hanlon. "Whereas the Republican plan, if you were to aggregate it, would be that we continue downward on the Gen. Petraeus path, even beyond the plans he has for next summer."

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- RuthieM See Profile I'm a Fan of RuthieM permalink

It needs to be noted that Obama was asked that question first and so he was the first one to give his answer, although all media has it as Clinton first commenting on the withdrawal, as though she was 'the leader' but she was SECOND, only following Obama, as usual, and acknowledged him for his withdrawal comment before making hers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 10/18/2007
- StephenCassidy See Profile I'm a Fan of StephenCassidy permalink

Only Richardson gets it on Iraq. He doesn't attempt as the other Dems are trying to have it both ways - bash Bush, call for an end to the war but then keep troops in Iraq for years to come and not bring the occupation to an end.

Richardson understands that by the U.S. remaining in Iraq, we unwittingly perpetuate the war. Our troops have become the targets in a civil war. The Iraqi government, in turn, is dependent on the U.S. for security that the Iraqis themselves should provide. Richardson notes: "The Iraqis won't take the necessary steps toward political reconciliation until the U.S. makes it clear that it will leave the country for good."

None of the other major Dem candidates have any foreign policy experience or the confidence in their own judgment to stand up to the military and political establishment and unambiguously call for a complete and prompt withdrawal from Iraq.

In the end if Edwards, Obama or HRC is the nominee, what difference will there be between them and the Republican nominee on Iraq? All will say we need to change course and bring the war to end - but do so "prudently and cautiously." The Democrats will lose the advantage they have on the most critical issue of the election. And America will lose because we will continue to be stuck in Iraq for years to come regardless of who wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 10/17/2007
- Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul See Profile I'm a Fan of Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul permalink

ATTENTION all senators and house members who will reside their fat lazy, white asses in the congress after 2009!

I think you may want to read what Dr. Paul has said to the people, concerning your jobs and your salaries and your lucrative pension packages.

You may want to bust open that box of wine and have a seat on your Jennifer Convertible for this one......Have little Chelsea or Lindsay Jr. grab a bottle of rolaids before you settle in for about 25 to 30 minutes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: You have declined to sign on, as I understand, for the federal pension that every member of Congress is entitled to. So my question is, you're not worried about your later years? I mean, you could live many more years, Congressman Paul.

REP. RON PAUL: This is one position that I think my wife might disagree with me on. There goes our retirement. No, you know, I was in the Congress in the '70s and '80s, and I've been back, so I've had a good many years, close to 20 years. I've been in the military. So it would be a nice pension fund.

cont below.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 10/17/2007
- Misanthrope2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Misanthrope2 permalink

This spam again?

It only shows that he is a fool.

I can't imagine why you a Republican would come to Huffpo to spam for a Republican candidate.

Specially one who is anti-choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 10/17/2007
- Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul See Profile I'm a Fan of Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul permalink

The reason is because the people you vote for have the same misconception.
Paul isnt about party Misinformed2, he about people....
The people are waking up and finding this out....
Be afraid, Misconstrue2....
Your one issue vote probably wont matter!
Nor does the Ron Paul campaign solicit votes form the likes of you...
Please KEEP your commie vote, we dont want it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 10/20/2007
- Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul See Profile I'm a Fan of Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul permalink

But when I started in Congress, the first time in '76, it was even then more lucrative than it is now, but it's a very lucrative, very beneficial pension fund. And I could not see with me condemning, you know, the system to on the side quietly participate in getting some very good benefits. So I just said, "I'm not going to do it; I'll have to take care of myself some other way."

JUDY WOODRUFF: SHOULD EVERYBODY ELSE(FAT ASSES)FOLLOW SUIT, do you think?

REP. RON PAUL: Well, no, I DONT THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THESE KINDS OF PROGRAMS.. I think citizens should be representing us in Congress and the work should be reduced. WE SHOULD CUT THEIR PAY IN HALF AND LET THEM GO HOME AND WORK!
(oops!!)

See, if I go home and practice medicine right now, the congressional rules say, "You can't practice medicine." I don't want to take the lucrative pension fund, but ironically, if I wanted to work extra on the weekend, they won't allow me, because they say it's a conflict of interest for me to go home and deliver a baby. So figure that out.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And just quickly, I understand traveling around the country campaigning, you've run into people you've actually delivered.

REP. RON PAUL: Yeah, I think that's so neat. Because the other night, we had a meeting up in New Hampshire. A young lady came up and she goes, "You delivered me." And I said, "Do you want me to pick you up, since I held you for the first time?"

JUDY WOODRUFF: Is she voting for you? Or do you know?

REP. RON PAUL: Oh, yes, she was a strong supporter.

This is it...You cant help but vote for a guy who wants to cut the Lieberman, Issa, Grahm, O'connell,Cornyn pay salaries in half and rip their big fat pension plans out from under their big fat asses!!!

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/paul_10-12.html

Go Ron Paul

Ron Paul r3VOLution

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 10/17/2007
- Misanthrope2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Misanthrope2 permalink

Ron Paul has no chance to win the Republican nomination.

He is at one percent. But his supporters claim lots of support from Dems and Indies.

The only hope is to run as a third party candidate.

Go Ron- run from a third party and get all those Democratic votes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 10/17/2007
- Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul See Profile I'm a Fan of Galvestonians for Dr. Ron Paul permalink

The reason is because the people you vote for have the same misconception.
Paul isnt about party Misinformed2, he about people....
The people are waking up and finding this out....
Be afraid, Misconstrue2....
Your one issue vote probably wont matter!
Nor does the Ron Paul campaign solicit votes form the likes of you...
Please KEEP your commie vote, we dont want it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 10/20/2007
- khyber900 See Profile I'm a Fan of khyber900 permalink

O'Hanlon should be required to learn how to spell before they comment on Iraq.

Hey O'Hanlon, it's "LO and behold" not "LOW and behold".

Besides that, your argument that Iraq is getting better is so disingenuous and factually unsupported that I wonder why Arianna allowed you to have the space to continue to spread such propaganda. Do the Jones Report, AP Report and GAO report mean nothing to you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 10/17/2007
- transendentilist See Profile I'm a Fan of transendentilist permalink

O Hanlon is obviously a neo-con. He thinks just like they do, and his advice is just as worthless. If he's as smart as thinks, he would see the huge trouble that lies ahead. Trouble caused by warmongering and meddling in the affairs of other countries.
The only beneficiaries of this occupation are the corporations and civilian contractors. It doesn't benefit the American people and it doesn't benefit the Iraqi people either.
THE SURGE IS NOT BRINGING ANYTHING BUT A SMALL, TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENT! Wake up America!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 10/17/2007
- sneakypie See Profile I'm a Fan of sneakypie permalink

Ok. One more time. The Democrats belong to the Democratic party. If they enact policies those policies are Democratic policies. See, Democrat is a noun and Democratic is an adjective. An adjective modifies a noun. Now, I'm sure most of you learned this is school but perhaps you've forgotten. It appears that most of the posters who misuse the noun Democrat, when they should be using the adjective Democratic are Republicans/Conservatives. It makes people think that perhaps Republicans/Conservatives education is lacking. It makes them look uneducated and rather ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 10/17/2007
- demigod See Profile I'm a Fan of demigod permalink

Wait until the Turks invade Iraq and start killing Kurdish men, women and children. Will the U.S. do anything about it ? Will those pictures be broadcast across American media, and what will the Republicans say to defend their invasion then ? What will the muslim world say when secular Turkish soldiers start liquidating muslim Kurds in their villages ? Is THAT the "improvement" O'Hanlon envisions that will bring a Democrat over to the Dark Side ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 10/17/2007
- franklynch See Profile I'm a Fan of franklynch permalink

Once again, there can be no Middle East solution, neither attack nor retreat, until we reach a resolution with China and Russia, both of which are using all the Middle Eastern nations and groups as puppets against the US.

read more at www.franklynch.org click on security in the Top Ten List

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 10/17/2007
- JustComeHome See Profile I'm a Fan of JustComeHome permalink

It doesn't suprise me that a NeoCon is supporting NeoCon Hillary. What suprises me is that Edwards and Obama fell for the bait.

I can support none of these Democrats. As a progressive, I'll be voting for Ron Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 10/17/2007
- Eoin45 See Profile I'm a Fan of Eoin45 permalink

'As a progressive, I'll be voting for Ron Paul' That makes you a regressive not a progressive. Ron Paul's positions:
1. Katrina victims deserved no government help.
2. Social Security caused poverty in the US, and should be abolished.
3. Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
4. US should pull out of UN.
5. The Department of Education should be abolished.
6. Repeal the Voting Rights Act.
7. Repeal the Americans With Disabilities Act
8. Repeal the Civil Rights Act.
9. Enact Federal Legislation defining life as beginning at the moment of conception.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 10/17/2007
- Hopalongpoppyseed See Profile I'm a Fan of Hopalongpoppyseed permalink

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote against the war, but it is not a Progressive vote. On most other issues, Paul is a knuckle-dragger. Check it out, go to his website and read up on his other positions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 10/17/2007
- martinspringfield See Profile I'm a Fan of martinspringfield permalink

"Didn't we learn anything over the past months and years, with J. Miller and Kristol et al?"

If by "we" you mean the American people, the answer is yes.

If by "we" you mean the American media, the answer is no.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 10/17/2007
- TJTelecaster See Profile I'm a Fan of TJTelecaster permalink

I could care less what this little shit O'Hanlon says and that ass Pollock even less...

How about some grown men running things..

Get this country back on track..

That little swine John Yoo that eviscerated the U.S. Constitution and wrecked our country only a 34 old punk..kid..

It takes years so be a man ans stand up to power these kids suck up and fold they lack the gravitas it takes and many men never develop...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 10/17/2007
- MrBritesnide See Profile I'm a Fan of MrBritesnide permalink

Amen!

That possum-faced jerk can go to hel;l.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 10/17/2007
- smzzzz See Profile I'm a Fan of smzzzz permalink

This chickenhawk was a Clintonite and wants to be in another Clinton admin, ergo these comments. And what's truly depressing is he probably will be as Hillary talks about change and then brings the same scumbags like neocons like O'Hanlon, big telecom and big pharma and Rupert Murdoch in for "special" White House meetings. Thanks for nothing all you Hillary supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 10/17/2007
- Misanthrope2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Misanthrope2 permalink

He smeared Edwards but Edwards says out of Iraq in nine months. It is Obama and Clinton that won't commit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 10/17/2007
- protagonia See Profile I'm a Fan of protagonia permalink

O'Whore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/17/2007
- mosh See Profile I'm a Fan of mosh permalink

Right! Screw you O'Hanlon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/17/2007
- Podewumun See Profile I'm a Fan of Podewumun permalink

Geez. The kiss of death.

Complete with Rovedrool.

EWwwwwww. Blech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 10/17/2007
- Ginzaman See Profile I'm a Fan of Ginzaman permalink

Impeach Bush and Cheney

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 10/17/2007
- Dandy12 See Profile I'm a Fan of Dandy12 permalink

My original comments pertained to the yuppie apologist with the gee, let's wait and see attitude. Just like the rest of the Chickenhawks, after a week or two (less time probably) in a Stryker or Humvee, he'd want to get his ass out of there. He'd rather sit around at Brookings and postulate and promote his BS, and attempt to find a palatable middle of the road position. He's probably too intelligent to believe even his own BS!

The Mid East hasn't ever stable during my fifty some years. Yet, it was more tenable from a US perspective. Yet, even idiots would agree that we've (courtesy of Bush & Co. have) thrown a monkey wrench into the entire chemistry of an unstable Mid East further acting as an agent of destabilization.

Gee, I guess that I can't tell the future through my hazy crystal ball either. Yet from a set of premises, I can through applied logic determine what a very probable outcome will be.
I don't see a vision of "VICTORY" appear anywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 10/17/2007
- BushBites See Profile I'm a Fan of BushBites permalink

Is that the guy who used to be in Growing Pains?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 10/17/2007
- DocSarvis See Profile I'm a Fan of DocSarvis permalink

Kirk Cameron? No he's now a born-again Xtian who "acts" in the "Left Behind" movies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 10/17/2007
- Podewumun See Profile I'm a Fan of Podewumun permalink

~DocSarvis~

Didn't know that was a movie.
I thought it was the GOP theme for 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/17/2007
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