Democrats Win Praise From Surge Supporter O'Hanlon

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First Posted: 10-17-07 01:27 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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2007-10-17-ohanlon.jpgThe top three Democratic White House hopefuls have faced withering criticism for refusing to commit to withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq by 2013, the end of the next presidential term. But at least one prominent war proponent is commending Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards for their newfound "flexibility."

Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign policy at the Brookings Institution and ubiquitous voice on Iraq war policy, spoke favorably of the Democratic frontrunners' recent statements on Iraq. In an interview with the Huffington Post, he touted the top-tier candidates for waiting to see the complete fallout of the President Bush's troop surge and for not committing to a war policy more than a year in advance.

"There is still fifteen months before [Clinton, Obama or Edwards] will be President. It's just factual that they cannot predict exactly what they are going to do in Iraq," O'Hanlon said. "I think the Democratic position allows all three of the top people to move in the Republican direction if things move around in the next twelve months... Clearly they aren't likely to do that unless things get dramatically better."

O'Hanlon -- whose New York Times op-ed with colleague Ken Pollack, entitled "A War We Might Just Win," was promoted enthusiastically by supporters of Bush's strategy -- acknowledged that his own views on Iraq fall well to the "right" of the Democratic field. But he praised the presidential frontrunners for resisting a firm pledge on Iraq withdraw, something consistently favored by the majority of Americans in public opinion polls.

"The only thing that would have concerned me would have been a repeat of 2003, where the populist's message of 'get out now' would overtake the Democratic Party... And low and behold we get to the election and Iraq is looking better and low and behold the Democrats lose the election," said O'Hanlon, who has given modestly in the 2008 cycle - two $200 contributions earlier this year to Senator Hillary Clinton.

O'Hanlon is a frequent target of war critics, who assail him for consistently advocating an aggressive U.S. policy in Iraq even after his previous predictions of success have proven false.

"Number one, before campaigns start taking the advice of Mr. O'Hanlon they should take a look at his track record on this issue," said former Rep. Tom Andrews, National Director of the Win Without War coalition. "Number two, most of us were very surprised that not a single one of the leading three Democratic candidates was able to give an emphatic and direct answer to that question. If you don't think you are going to have troops out by the end of your first term in office, then you have a fundamentally different idea of what is going on in Iraq and what is required to solve this catastrophe."

Despite generally agreeing that troops will remain in Iraq for the next six years, there are slight differences in the policies of the three Democratic frontrunners; although Andrews acknowledged that the differences are "murky." Obama has emphasized keeping troops in the region for diplomatic, humanitarian, and counterterrorism purposes. Clinton has talked about leaving combat troops in Iraq with the goal of fighting terrorism. Edwards, meanwhile, has stressed an immediate draw down of 40,000 to 50,000 troops, with a continual draw down soon thereafter.

"If you try to take the gist of the Democratic Party conglomeration, the message is, if things don't get a lot better we are going to limit our goals. We won't be doing as much patrolling, we are not going to be as willing to take casualties or bolster a political order," summarized O'Hanlon. "Whereas the Republican plan, if you were to aggregate it, would be that we continue downward on the Gen. Petraeus path, even beyond the plans he has for next summer."

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- indc I'm a Fan of indc 17 fans permalink

why should anyone care, or put another way, why should it be even in the smallest way a good thing to receive approval from O'Hanlon who has been consistently wrong for years on Iraq...

how did the endorsement of this fool, chicken-hawk come to be regarded as anything worthwhile much less news worthy?

where did this stupidity come from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 10/17/2007
- JettFuel I'm a Fan of JettFuel 3 fans permalink

This is Ann Coulter out of drag.

jettfuel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 10/17/2007

What a weasel this guy is...does he want a job in what might be a democratic administration?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 10/17/2007
- Prolix247 I'm a Fan of Prolix247 9 fans permalink

He has donated to HRC. This should say it all...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 10/17/2007
- FlowerGirl I'm a Fan of FlowerGirl 25 fans permalink

A true picture of the Democrats who "oppose" Bush! Don't expect any changes in policy after the "election.­" A change in party is not the same thing as a change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 10/17/2007

Green Party! Ralph!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 10/17/2007
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

~SensibleAmerican~

You cannot be serious! Or are you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 10/17/2007

"generally agreeing that troops will remain in Iraq for the next six years..." If HRC, Obama or Edwards truly believe that, then they are not worthy of the office.

True leadership is imbued with a sense of imagination and an ability to see beyond the obstacles that one faces. There is NO GOOD REASON to think that the US needs to be in Iraq for even another 18 months. There are plenty of resources and players to take over a policing action that is inherent to the formation of a peaceful confederacy in Iraq - players like Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, the Emirates; all of which are Moslem states but disparate enough to ensure that Iraq (partitioned or not), and its resources, is kept intact. The fact that these candidates don't recognize any other option than US occupation indicates - to me, anyway - that their world view is hopelessly blindered, US-centric, or tied to the oil industry.

There is this notion that only war-driven economies can carry the US - after all, even FDR recognized that full-blown participation in WWII would lift the US economy free from the hangover of a decade long depression, and certainly the US economy bloomed following WWII and during Vietnam...

But that's pretty goddamn regressive thinking..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 10/17/2007
- RedRooster I'm a Fan of RedRooster 21 fans permalink

"regressive thinking" is how sociopaths do to create brilliant such phrases as, "cakewalk" and "...will be greeted at liberators".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/17/2007

...or as simplistic as "Mission Accomplish­ed"...

(Actually, the dumbass Bush aid who went to KInkos to get the sign made screwed up...it was actually meant to say "Mission Impossible­...")

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 10/17/2007
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

It is OK for leading Democrats to give their base the finger, Nonamnesiac, because that base doesn't really counnt for much. It should be realized by now that the Democratic Party was taken over even before the Republicans were by those primarily interested in keeping us at war in thge Middle East.
There is no hope from those leading warheads. It is time for us, the American People, to take our country back from those professional swindlers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/17/2007

Surrender monkeys are not the base of the Democrat party. Now that the surge is working only an idiot would talk about withdrawing. Don't lose hope, though if the winds starts blowing the other way, the leading Democrat candidates will be singing another tune. It must be frustrating for the surrender monkeys to support politicians without any principles. And before a fringe group, that you are part of, can take back the Country, you better concentrate on getting a candidate that supports your unrealistic viewpoint in the race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 10/17/2007
- akoop I'm a Fan of akoop 3 fans permalink

Chimp-The surge may be reducing the internal violence but has it enabled a move towards coalescing the various sectarian factions? I believe that was the goal.

With the Hunt/Kurds deal it would seem that the Kurds are less likely to find a favorable alliance with the Shia. The influx of additional wealth to the semi-autonmous Kurds seems to have put the Turks even more on edge and have now authorized incursions into Iraq (Kurdistan if you will).

One might want to wait a little longer before declaring the 'surge' a success.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/17/2007
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 74 fans permalink
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Ah, and there were apparent victories and successes by the U.S. in Vietnam too. Only someone who is very naive or refuses to admit the facts would fail to believe that in six or seven years time Marine helicopeters will not be ferrying to the Persian Gulf the terrified staff of the American Embassy in Baghdad. The leading Democratic nominees or either just that naive or abject liars. I would choose the latter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 10/17/2007

the surge is working? really? know anyone in our military in Iraq? that's not the story THEY'RE telling

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 10/17/2007

"Surrender monkeys" -- that's rich, coming from chimp-worshipping chumps. Bush surrendered to Al Qaeda. He pulled our troops out of Saudi Arabia, like Bin Laden demanded. He let 50-odd Bin Laden family members leave the country the minute the air ban was lifted. He lets Osama go and spends the next 6+ years saying "I don't give him much thought." He tries to surrender our port security to Dubai. Instead of demanding an accounting from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and UAE for the role their citizens played in 9/11, he attacks Iraq, where Al Qaeda had no presence whatever, and walks holding hands with Prince Bandar.

What would we be "surrendering" if we left Iraq? Our territory? It's not ours. Our troops? Hardly. They kicked butt the first three weeks and they've been babysitters with guns ever since. There's no surrender in leaving; there's only common sense, because the Army is exhausted, the Marines want to redeploy to Afghanistan, and we're running out of money and need to use it to fight the real enemy, not provide them with fresh recruits.

People here have the good sense to want to get out of a debacle that's a distraction from battling jihadists and a recruiting tool for them. In any case, we will start withdrawing in the spring unless there is a draft. So get ready to start calling Bush a surrender monkey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 10/17/2007

"Surge"? Listen, you base 500,000 troops in a country, that isn't a surge, it's an occupation. An occupation that does no one in the US any good, unless they're holding stock in one of the war profiteering combines or in an oil company. That $500,000,000,000 that has ALREADY been stolen from the US coffers, will NOT insure that another terrorist attack won't ONCE AGAIN occur in the US or western European nation. In fact, given the "success" of the invasion, it will only embolden the Neocons to stage another nightmare, like the WTC, or London, or Spain, or Indonesia, in order to move into another resource-rich arena.

But you're right, we need a candidate who doesn't share any of the neuroses of a fascist movement that calls itself the "Right." What a fucking, horrible joke. What a fucking horrible collection of self-serving, miasmic dolts. And if HRC, Barack or Edwards hold beliefs that are the least bit synonymous with yours, then I don't want them within hailing distance of the WH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 10/17/2007
- slobone I'm a Fan of slobone 5 fans permalink

His op-ed piece was based on one trip to Iraq, where needless to say he was heavily escorted by the US military. Before that, he hadn't been there for a year and a half! Isn't his 15 minutes up yet?

But I must admit I get a certain schadenfreude from seeing the top 3 Demo-cowards get praised by this clown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 10/17/2007

"His op-ed piece was based on one trip to Iraq,..."

His MOST RECENT trip to Iraq.
You know how that works (or maybe you don't), he had experiences to contrast and he changed his mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 10/17/2007
- slobone I'm a Fan of slobone 5 fans permalink

He claims to be an Iraq expert, I think that's pretty dubious if he's only made one trip in a year and a half. Even Hillary has managed to do beter than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 10/17/2007
- rras I'm a Fan of rras 2 fans permalink

Michael O'Hanlon, has a fantastic mind and interesting opinions and everyone should force the young children to study his work. In time, AB, (after bush) people will wonder where in the hell he was when our country needed him. In the meantime every Democrat with hopes of winning need to stay clear of the word "SURGE" and any use of the word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 10/17/2007

Bullshit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 10/17/2007
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

And to think O'Hanlon gave up his newspaper route to guide us all.

Greater love hath no man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 10/17/2007

In your case, he was wasting his breath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 10/17/2007
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

~ResidentChimp~

O O O! Ah Ah Ah! O O O Ah Ah Ah!
Translated from human back to chimp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 10/17/2007
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

... whereas, in your case, it was mouth-to-mouth.

Can't get enough of those war-crimes apologists, can ya'?

Moron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 10/18/2007

He is in the initial stage of a spin back to the center, that later morphs into "that wasn't what I really meant", or "I knew we shouldn't have invaded but...". To finalize with a historical best seller that gets him tenure at a top ten university. This guy is one of the 27 percenters, no matter the logic, evidence, fact or truth he will still believe "he" knows what is best for all of us to include the next pres. Besides we know its all about oil and nothing more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 10/17/2007
- Dandy12 I'm a Fan of Dandy12 2 fans permalink

Let's wait and see more... It surprises me that this guy is a senior fellow at Brookings. He would fit in better at AEI or PNAC. You would think that a think tank would hire people with a little bit more deductive logic going for them. Iraq will not end well either now, a year from now, or a decade from now. We have destabilized the Mid East with our tinkering and costly experimental chemistry!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/17/2007

"Iraq will not end well either now, a year from now, or a decade from now..."

Way to keep up with the news there, Danderoo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 10/17/2007

I really miss that Middle East Stability. When was that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 10/17/2007
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You mean someone gives O'Hanlon credibility?
Amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/17/2007

How old is this guy? He sure looks to be the age of a gun toting soldier. Who cares what this clown has to say?!! He's just another chickenhawk who's ready, willing and able to hoist the flag on the backs and blood of the men and women who do his dirty work. Patriotism is in direct correlation to how many OTHER people can be shattered and killed, and this bozo is one of the poster boys. He and his ilk make me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 10/17/2007
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 142 fans permalink

Let's see if I understand this issue.

We invaded someone we shouldn't have invaded.

Almost 5 years later we still killing their civilians (and a few non-civilians) in an effort to bring them what Republicans have laughingly called democracy.

According to the Democratic frontrunners, who are said to be less hawkish than the Republicans, we will still be killing each other 6 years from now, in order to bring them democracy.

OK, I get it now. Lewis Carrol has taken over the universe, words mean only what the President says they mean, and we are all late for a very important date - extinction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 10/17/2007

"Let's see if I understand this issue."

No you do not.

You can keep trying to understand but based on what you've already said, success is doubtful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 10/17/2007
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Don't understand the issue?
Neither does Bush, or anyone in his administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 10/17/2007
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

Spoken by a certified authority on the subject who now will give us a detailed justification for invading and occupying Iraq, using whole sentences and rational arguments.­..

(crickets)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 10/17/2007
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

hydenorhare, it seems to me that mamacat has a pretty good grasp of things. But there are still a few idiots around who don't.
"America's" top politicians must owe their top positions to something. Could it be an allegiance they to the same interests that gave us the illegal wars? the same interests that back Bush-Cheney annd those who pull those puppets' strings? the same interests that have been and plan to continue misleading America?
And there are those who are fooled by the "Two Party" Swindle!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 10/17/2007
- blankmw I'm a Fan of blankmw 2 fans permalink

She seems to understand it to a much greater extent than you, so why don't you go hide, hyde. I think mamacat's message is highly accurate, precise and to-the-point. 5 years later we are killing killing each other, and, with the likes of the politicians we've seen in WDC lately, we probably will still be killing each other 6 years form now. Given everything this administration has done, I can't image that the killing will stop regardless of what we Americans decide to do. The angry Iraqi insurgents and miscellaneous terrorists the world over will continue to attack us out of anger and somewhat justified hate. Bush had the good will of the entire world on his side when all of this started, and now most of the world is disgusted. He squandered the greatest gift he could've had in this "presidency" to avenge his Daddy's evil-doer and to try to control more oil, like a good Texan. It's sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 10/17/2007
- nuglet304 I'm a Fan of nuglet304 2 fans permalink
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if only there was a rabbit hole big enough to throw em all into.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 10/17/2007
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

~Nuglet304~

Ummmmmm...­Lary Craig's...­never mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 10/17/2007
- Zenobius I'm a Fan of Zenobius 4 fans permalink

O'Hanlon's views are O'Hanlon's views.

Brookings is what is commonly considered a liberal think tank, and it is not surprising that top Democratic candidates agree with him, and he with them.

This is yet another of the many signs that the Democratic party is not progressive. So presumably we have to continue building a progressive and anti-war movement; voting for the best candidate on offer and trying to push candidates and the party to the left. The religious right took over the Republicans, and have made some limited gains by doing so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 10/17/2007

Zen, sadly you are correct. Both parties love long wars and owe their souls to the Military Industrial Complex. If a Dem wins the next Pres election, not much will change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 10/17/2007
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