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Dems Cluck Like Turkeys: What Genocide?

October 17, 2007 02:42 AM


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2007-10-17-turk.jpgWhat's all the fuss about a million or so dead Armenians? What's a little genocide among neighbors now and then? Apparently not much, nay, non-existent -- especially if you're a "liberal" Democrat on the payroll of the Turkish government.

Bad enough that disgraced former House Republican Bob Livingston has raked in a cool $12 million over the last handful of years by lobbying for a Turkish regime that shamelessly denies the mass murder of as many as 1.5 million Armenians during WWI. Worse when self-proclaimed progressive Democrats also share in the blood money.

As revealed by correspondent Dan Nichanian, reporting for HuffPost's Off The Bus project, former Democratic House Leader Dick Gephardt has also sucked up the big bucks by shilling for the Turkish government. Gephardt, these past few weeks, has been spearheading a lobbying effort to oppose a decades-belated House resolution that would simply, and finally, brand the Armenian genocide as, well, genocide. Says Nichanian:

Turkey has launched an all-out effort against the resolution, enlisting the help of many former politicians turned lobbyists - especially former Rep. Dick Gephardt, a big advocate of similar resolutions in the 1990s but who now has become a the leader of the Turkish lobby - and threatening to strike back if the bill is approved by Congress.

Proving the efficiency of this multi-million blackmail campaign that also included full page ads in the Washington Post and aggressive mailings to congressmen, many representatives stunningly reversed course in the past few weeks. Washington Democratic Rep. Jim McDermott, originally one of the bill's co-sponsors, flip-flopped and was quoted by the Seattle Times saying that there is no evidence of a genocide. "The issue in large measure is between the Armenian Christians and the Muslim Turks," he said. "We are being asked to pick a winner."

I don't know what Democrat McDermott's interest is in this sort of apology for genocide. In Gephardt's case, at least we know he's getting paid for his flackery. A day after our Off The Bus report ran, a similar account appeared in The International Herald Tribune revealing that Gephardt is bagging $1.2 million for his dubious efforts.

We also learn in the IHT report that yet another former liberal House Democrat, Steven Solarz of New York, has clambered onto the Turkish Express, tightly grasping a $165,000 ticket in his palm.

Earlier attempts by the House to pass similar resolutions in 2000 and 2004 were quashed by Republican strategists led by none other than Karl Rove. But after the Democrats won last year's congressional elections, fellow former Democrats like Gephardt and Solarz were brought in off the bench to try and sweet-talk their party peers out of doing the right thing. Apparently, Pennsylvania Democrat Jack Murtha was reigned into the fold earlier this year after he rather conveniently got a $3000 campaign contribution from lobbyist Livingston's firm. Murtha is reported to have phoned Speaker Nancy Pelosi to ask that she not bring the anti-genocide resolution to a full House vote.

I remember four years ago when Gephardt was roaming the fields of Iowa, flogging his Democratic presidential candidacy as the populist defender of the working man. Armed with barrels of cash and a laundry list of union endorsements, Gephardt pushed himself as the little guy's alternative to Establishment Washington. The voters of Iowa saw right through him and sent him packing. Little did they know he would parlay his opportunism into such a rich and sordid retirement.

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- Nonamnesiac See Profile I'm a Fan of Nonamnesiac permalink

"Condemning genocide should not get in the way of the sensibilities of those who committed the genocide, if those sensibilities interfere with the benefits George Bush says we receive from the genocide." Democrats in Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/18/2007
- pfc1369 See Profile I'm a Fan of pfc1369 permalink

My God ! What will the TeleCom Industry think !

My God ! What will the Media Moguls think !

My God ! What will Turkey think !

My God ! What will Our Bribers think !

Sick kids ?? Whaaaat's that you say..????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 10/18/2007
- pathos See Profile I'm a Fan of pathos permalink

Mr Cooper is advocating for a governing body to write a historical fact into the record of humanity.

This is plain stupid. History is for historians and while Turkey can say whatever they want, reality is that THEY DO NOT WRITE THE HISTORY BOOKS so at best the Turks can hope for is keeping their citizens ignorant fo a little while longer.
If of course you think the turkish people are ignorant of their history.

And I am a greek whose family tree was affected by this GENOCIDE. But they were not even mentioned in this declaration of history. What ABOUT MY PONTIC Papou (grandfather)? The US congress does not acknowledge the 350,000 dead Pontic greeks.

Is the lunacy NOW revealed. Leave history to historians and laws to congressmen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/18/2007
- Macready See Profile I'm a Fan of Macready permalink

I do not understand the reasoning behind this legislation . . . these crimes agains the Armenians were committed a century ago under the Ottoman Empire . . . the Ottoman Empire no longer exists . . . . the Turkey of today is not the Ottoman Empire . . . so don't understand this at all. There are more pressing issues for Congress: impeachment; Darfur; getting out of Iraq; leaving Iran alone and getting Israel to move back to its pre-war 1967 boundaries and stop killing Palestinians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 10/18/2007
- Arouet See Profile I'm a Fan of Arouet permalink


And was it not the Fuhrer himself who said:

"Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians"?

We rightly castigate the Jewish Holocaust deniers, yet who are the greatest deniers today but the Turks?

These jerks who did not allow the 4th ID to enter Iraq from their territory, are now threatening to invade Iraq. Why isn't the Great Decider threatening to napalm their troops and bomb their nuke sites?

And they pretend to be worthy of being in the EU?....come on people, get real, you have a long way, a very long way to go.

Shame on all the lobbyist flacks who want to paper over this genocide and the gutless members of Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 10/17/2007
- AZModerate See Profile I'm a Fan of AZModerate permalink

It isn't that I want to sugar coat or gloss over the fact that the Turks tried to genocide a group of people.. it is just the timing that I take issue with..

If I went to start my car tomorrow.. only to find my battery had died, but my neighbor pulled up and offered to jump my battery with his cables.. I probably wouldn't break it to him at that time that I thought he was an asshole, because he played loud music at all hours and it deprived me of my sleep..

There is a time and place to say things.. and to say that the Turks committed genocide NOW, is not the appropriate time to do so.. lets wait till the pull out of our troops from Iraq is done to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 10/17/2007
- JustComeHome See Profile I'm a Fan of JustComeHome permalink

These guys have absolutely no backbone to speak of. We were better off when they were the majority party getting in the way of the majority. At least THEN the Republicans could be blamed.

Ron Paul has a backbone. The Republicans under him would beat these turkeys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 10/17/2007
- amerdiaspora See Profile I'm a Fan of amerdiaspora permalink

no back bone is an understatement!!

they will have to admit to their own crimes and they are scared shitless about that prospect

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 10/17/2007
- Independent_voter See Profile I'm a Fan of Independent_voter permalink

I don't understand the Democrats motive in bringing this issue up for a vote. However, once the political course was set, the Democrats should have stuck with their guns.

It has been adequately demonstrated that the Democrats are eunuchs and this is just another example of pussies in power. And since when did we outsource US law making to Turkey?

At least Bush, who I despise, had the balls the go the the ceremony in which the Dalai Lama was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal - in spite of the protests and foot stamping by the Communist Chinese.

As for the Commies - FUCK 'EM. These pricks invaded Tibet, slaughtered thousands of Tibetans and forced Buddhist monks to rape Buddhist nuns in the public square.

The Dalai Lama prays for the Chinese. I say FUCK 'EM.

In case I was not clear - FUCK COMMUNIST CHINA.

Stop buying their defective, poisonous crap.



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 10/17/2007
- JZC See Profile I'm a Fan of JZC permalink

Turkeys don't cluck. They gobble.

That sort of thing is why there are editors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 10/17/2007
- Bucko See Profile I'm a Fan of Bucko permalink

Hey, what's a million Armenians? We murdered TWO million of them Vietnam folks just 35-40 years ago. Them Turks are fine folks but need some lessons from us on mass murder I think. We use fire and bombs and stuff. They just used hand to hand and bullets. Chump stuff.
This talk re Turkey is absolutely idiotic. I'd kinda like health care myself.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 10/17/2007
- average joe See Profile I'm a Fan of average joe permalink

God bless L B J you forgot 58000 poor but who counting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 AM on 10/18/2007
- UltraClassic See Profile I'm a Fan of UltraClassic permalink

Admit it folks, this issue of poking a stick in the eye of the Turks is all about politics.

The Turks are providing some access for U.S. logistics and supply lines in the war and what better way for liberals and leftist democrats to try to sabotage the war effort.

Why, after all these years, must this resolution be aired and passed, right here, right now? I've got to hand it to liberals and leftist democrats, it just might work but GEEEZZZZ, it's so obvious!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 10/17/2007
- midtown See Profile I'm a Fan of midtown permalink

Stop it! Declaration without investigation is the mark of a fool. I'll bet you never even heard of the genocide until the past few weeks.

The Armenians have been trying to get this recognized for decades. You dont think this isn't a genocide?
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Armenian_Genocide_Photos

It started when The Young Turks took over in 1911 (Read The London Times for the facts) and didn't finish until the 1923.

And Henry Morgenthau Sr. started writing long communiques to Pres. Wilson about "the extermination of a race" -- his phrase for genocide -- during his tenure as US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913-1916. His pleas for action were impassioned.
Read a part of his statement: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/statement_morgenthau.html

I'm not Armenian, but I learned about this 30 years just after high school when I went to Armenia and saw the 6-ft museum photos and documentation, most of it taken by a German military officer at the time. Huge trenches miles long dug by the soon-to-dead with Turkish soldiers standing on the edge at the beginning of the line shooting the wasted diggers as soon as the hole was deep enough. The photos of the naked skeletons thrown into a hole. The photos of naked children with small shovels digging alongside adults. It was sadistic. Morgenthau writes about one of the Young Turks who ordered Armenian feet horseshoed in the days before the killing began; these torturers told Morgenthau they studied torture texts from history to get ideas. The story of the genocide was on every Armenian's lips when I was there. It came up in conversation at least three times a day. The intelligentsia spoke French and so do I, so I could communicate.

Bush made this a campaign promise to the Armenians in 2000 and reneged. Dont you dare this this is a political act that just popped up in someone's mind in the fall of 2007.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 10/17/2007
- midtown See Profile I'm a Fan of midtown permalink

Excuse my typos above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 10/17/2007
- dleonard123 See Profile I'm a Fan of dleonard123 permalink

Please explain what this House Resolution will accomplish at this moment in history? While we're at it, let's pass a denunciation of past events that we can't affect such as slavery, Japan's rape of Nanking, and bell bottom trousers.

So many commenters here want to equate the HR with "telling the truth", or "pointing out a wrong". The next logical step in the argument goes that those who don't support this resolution are somehow endorsing the genocide or don't want the truth to be known. This is a naive and dangerous position given the realities in the Middle East. There is a diplomatic and political dimension that we'd be ignoring at our own peril. How does rubbing the noses of a key ally in their admittedly sordid past help us now at this fragile point in history? What will this accomplish other than undermining the war effort when Turkey is lost as a major supply route, not to mention the likelihood that this will embolden those Turks who are pushing for military intrusions into Northern Iraq. The only thing I can conclude is that is exactly what many House Democrats want to see. They are playing with fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/17/2007
- fmmcfarren See Profile I'm a Fan of fmmcfarren permalink

Your right. You should have mentioned defunding the Holocaust Museum too. I mean. that happened a long time ago too! I mean the people who fought in world war II are almost all dead [dying at about 1000/day] so pretty soon we can get rid of that WWII memorial eye sore.

I am so tired of everyone saying, "well it happened a long time ago"! SO F-ing what! Hitler admitted to using the Armenian Genocide as justification for what he did to the Jews. Oh wait, most people know Jews, and there is AIPAC.

Start here: http://tinyurl.com/3755sy with the first webpage and work down.. if you don't feel some connection by the end of the wikipedia article...

The timing of this may be inconvenient politically (for some) but where all the people who shout from the rooftops for the truth and Justice.. this is something that has been a long time coming and along with a whole slew of other things has been side railed since the 90's by the republican house. This is the right and just thing to do. Truth isn't always soft and cuddly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 10/17/2007
- dleonard123 See Profile I'm a Fan of dleonard123 permalink

The timing is a little more than "incovenient" -- it will likely cost lives; American, Kurdish, and Turkish. There is no positive result that will come out of passing this non-binding resolution... unless of course you're Nancy Pelosi who coincidentally has a large Armenian population in her voting district. This wouldn't be raw politics, now would it? Naah, it's all about "truth and justice", right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 10/18/2007
- Blutus See Profile I'm a Fan of Blutus permalink

Cooper, Allende's translator, is
full of shit.

There are any number of moral, historic,
events that the US could take a 'stand' on.

Cooper is usually much more rational
than this post.

Easy to get confused isn't it Marc?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 10/17/2007
- GRAYWOLF241 See Profile I'm a Fan of GRAYWOLF241 permalink

If we are going to pass a resolution condemning an event that took place 92 years ago in a country that no longer exists (the Ottoman Empire), then why not pass a resolution condemning Andrew Jackson for his genocide against Cherokees and the Seminoles? The United States taking the moral high ground, my ass!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 10/17/2007
- DudeE See Profile I'm a Fan of DudeE permalink

WTF dude? The Democrats are being assailed by Bush for even bringing this resolution to a vote and you have to smear all Dems by pointing out a single Democratic lobbyist who opposes it?

What's with the purity tests on Democrats? Either they're all pristine - or the lot of them sucks?

Focus your energy in the "right" place please and quit quibbling on the fringe of the Democratic party that just doesn't get it:

"Earlier attempts by the House to pass similar resolutions in 2000 and 2004 were quashed by Republican strategists led by none other than Karl Rove. But..."

yeah - but but but...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 10/17/2007
- starboymikey See Profile I'm a Fan of starboymikey permalink

Face it, it has nothing to do with right or wrong. Keeping Turkey happy right now is politically expedient. And in politics, expediency trumps justice nine times out of ten.

Of course, if W had not lied us into Iraq, keeping Turkey happy might seem a bit less urgent right now, and perhaps we would not have to twist ourselves into pretzels to justify the act of donning moral blinkers.

As a wise man once said, "immutable are the laws of karma." My grandmother had a somewhat earthier way of saying pretty much the same thing: "lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 10/17/2007
- FearlessFreep See Profile I'm a Fan of FearlessFreep permalink

"And in politics, expediency trumps justice nine times out of ten."

So let's hope this is the tenth time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 10/17/2007
- starboymikey See Profile I'm a Fan of starboymikey permalink

Re the above post: A co-worker just pointed out that some may infer that I am calling Turks dogs. Apologies if I gave that impression. I was referring to our country's leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 10/17/2007
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