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Early Obama Comments Indicate Shift On Iran

October 22, 2007 09:46 AM


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2007-10-22-obama.jpgThis past July, Senator Barack Obama, D-IL, stirred up the campaign trail by proclaiming that as commander-in-chief he would personally meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions within his first year in office. It is a position Obama has stuck to adamantly and one that his campaign has emphasized as a critical foreign policy difference with his Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY.

But in a little-noticed interview in May 2007 with the Israeli paper, Ha'aretz, Obama advocated what appears to be a more conditional, nuanced approach to Iran. In an exchange with reporter Shmuel Rosner, Obama said it would be inappropriate to pursue "full-scale" diplomatic negotiations with Tehran without seeing positive steps beforehand.

"I don't think it would be appropriate for us to engage in full-scale diplomatic discussions without some progress or some indication of good faith on the part of the Iranians," the senator said. "I do think the U.S. needs to send a signal to Iran that if they change their behavior that they have avenues available to them for improved international relations."

The Obama campaign dismissed the idea that there was a contradiction between his comments to Ha'aretz and those made on the campaign trail. But as recently as October 12, the senator had declared that "the way to support diplomacy [with Iran] is to actually pursue it. That's what I've called for throughout this campaign - direct diplomacy, without preconditions. And that's what I'll do as President."

According to Ben Labolt, a spokesperson for the senator, the process of "full-scale" diplomacy, such as establishing an embassy in Iran or an ambassadorship in Tehran, does require Iranian leadership to take certain steps. But that does not preclude Obama and Ahmadinejad from meeting face to face.

Even so, the interview with Rosner suggests that as early as five months ago, Obama valued "low-level" talks as the most effective way forward in engaging Tehran. In the interview, Obama praises negotiations "of the sort that the Bush Administration has already begun to initiate," and declares it is "absolutely critical for the international community to verify progress before there are changes in our attitude toward Iran."

"It sounds suspiciously like the current policy," Barbara Slavin, author of "Bitter Friends, Bosom Enemies: Iran, the U.S. and the Twisted Path to Confrontation," told the Huffington Post. "Secretary Rice has said repeatedly that if the Iranians suspend uranium enrichment she would meet with them at any time or any place. Now Obama talked about a change in behavior, which isn't the same thing as uranium enrichment. But I assume that is what he means... Either he will or won't meet with the Iranians without preconditions, which is it?"

The debate over how best to engage Iranian leadership has become one of the central issues of the 2008 campaign, made even more pertinent after President Bush recently warned of a "World War III" should Iran gain knowledge of making nuclear weapons. While every candidate in the Democratic field has touted hands-on diplomacy as a means for averting a military confrontation, the campaigns have argued vehemently about what constitutes the best way forward.

The issue rose to the surface a few weeks ago when the Senate passed an amendment introduced by Sens. Joe Lieberman and John Kyl, designating Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. Clinton was the sole Democratic candidate for president to vote in favor of the measure. And while Obama missed the vote, he criticized Clinton and the legislation for giving Bush the pretense to invade Iran.

Months earlier, after Obama declared he would meet Ahmadinejad and other oft-criticized world leaders without preconditions, Clinton derided his stance as "naïve." But she has come under similar attack from her rivals. During an event on October 11 in New Hampshire, Clinton said she would "engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions, because we don't really understand how Iran works."

Her campaign said this was consistent with her long-stated position and not a commitment to meeting directly with Ahmadinejad.

Obama has addressed the Iran issue repeatedly over the last several weeks, including on interview programs like the Tavis Smiley Show and, loosely, in a campaign commercial released in New Hampshire.

The careful parsing of words and phrases in each candidate's foreign policy statements reflects the sensitivity and complexity of U.S.-Iranian relations. But it may be overblown. As some foreign policy experts claim, the Democrats are much closer to a consensus on how to deal with Iran than their rhetoric suggests.

"Trying to figure out what the candidates actually mean is not easy," Gary Sick, the principle White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution, told the Huffington Post. "Obama is really taking the position of the Baker-Hamilton report which almost unequivocally called for some kind of engagement... The concept of engagement is really a very serious one and [Sen.] Hillary Clinton really didn't denounce it as an idea. She was just simply picking up on a statement Obama made in the debate."

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This article does not make sense to me. It's really has been turned around to make the reader think Obama has flip-flopped on his previous stance with Iran.

Stand Tall Obama. You got my vote.
Obama 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 10/22/2007

If you read what Senator Obama told the Chicago Tribune in 2004 (the United States might have one day to launch surgical missile strikes into Iran!!); what he said on Iran on November 20, 2006 at the Chicago Council of Global Affairs; and what he said on Iran in March 2007 in a speech at AIPAC, it is clear that he was a convinced saber rattler. In fact, his position vis a vis Iran was until very recently identical to that of Senator Clinton ("everything must remain on the table"). Now he wants to demonstrate that he is reasonable and that she is still an unreconstructed hawk. It is very easy to predict that Obama will find reasons to turn around 180 degree again if he is nominated by the Democratic Party. The man is a weather vane pur sang.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 10/22/2007

i think it's important to see what Obama actually said -- which is he is looking for "some progress or some indication of good faith on the part of the Iranians." He's deliberately vague here and "some indication of good faith" could be anything, even a willingness to open dialogue with the US. There really isn't much inconsistency here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 10/22/2007

And he sponsored a resolution to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization.

He's a hawk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 10/22/2007

Bravo! Mr. STAIN. What a nice paint job in your attempt to cloud the Senator"s firm stand on the issue. I found your article not only a hair parsing, it"s intellectually dishonest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 10/22/2007

Why hire a neo-con troll when you can buy a progressive blogger is her Hillaryship's motto. It works very well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 10/22/2007

The Obama campaign is coming apart like a cheap suit with no tie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 10/22/2007

Where have you been all this while DCJoe???!!! We need more perceptible/sensible people like you commenting on here! Help me ward off the inane attacks to my take on this fluffy candidacy/campaign ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 10/22/2007

hey its racist senselessamerican;
is your problem with a limited vocabulary and a limited view on the real world related to one of the following reasons?
#1 A botched lobotomy
#2 A TBI (traumatic brain injury)?
#3 Inbreeding?
Your mother should have done our world a favor and had an abortion when she was pregnant with you.
Hey idiot did you learn to read yet
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071105/baker_federman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 10/22/2007

You two can be our only members of the Clinton admiration society, even if one of you is a Republican troll spouting Rush talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 10/22/2007

Oh please, this article makes positively no sense at all if it's an attempt to say Obama is inconsistent on Iran. Obama said he'd meet with Iranian leadership - he didn't say we'd go full bore towards normalization. It's Clinton who has once again flip-flopped, first saying Obama's "naive" for suggesting a meeting with Iranian leadership and then agreeing it would be a good idea to meet with the Iranian and then voting for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment. Hillary "The polls tell me what to do" Clinton for ya!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 10/22/2007
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If Hillary (God forbid) and governs by what the polls tell her to do does that in effect make Mark Penn the real POTUS?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 10/22/2007

mawrm's right, article is all fluff and quite verbose. sam stein could have just said, i think obama is inconsistent on iran, check this haartz interview out. end of article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 10/22/2007

I don't see how one can spin this.

Obama started with a progressive position and is now echoing Clinton's conservative one.

It seemed like only a day or so for him to retreat into the safety of ambiguity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 10/22/2007

Jesus, people! Is it so difficult to discern between meeting and negotiating, between a "hi, how ya doing" photo-op and an attempt to broker normalized diplomatic relations? Would you equate a hand shake with full intercourse?

This "black or white" inflammatory bullshit makes me sick--especially in relation to complex issues. But, I suppose, if we're unable to discuss ideas, we can just resort to poo-pooing each other by name calling (flip-flopper) through subtle accusation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 10/22/2007

The single most moronic idea obsessing the media is their yammering about black and white. It reached it's nadir when Chris Mathews reduced debate response to "a show of hands."

Is the current crop of journalists really so stupid they can't even cope with shades of grey? Apparently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 10/22/2007
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Thank you so much for relieving me of typing exactly the same thing, I am typing challenged but commensurate with your thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 10/22/2007

Well said and it's precisely the reason why we have poor leadership in this country. All it takes is a couple of idiots to introduce confusion and folks bite it every time. As you correctly point out, Obama was very clear on being open to meeting with Iranian leadership - it's nowhere equivalent to a full normalization of ties. It was Clinton who called him naive for saying this, yet later decided it wasn't such a bad idea after all, but then voted for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment - does this make sense? Hell no! HRC has no crediblity on anything because she's constantly shifting with the wind. Yet the article tries to insinuate that it's Obama who has a problem. What a bunch of bull!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 10/22/2007

This cannot be good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 10/22/2007

You bet it's not! Fluffy's days are numbered ... as you can see from the personal attacks below ... the desperation and frustration is palpable :-))

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 10/22/2007

Yes...the "me too" crowd that "wants to back a winner" rather than vote their politics and conscience have spoken. (As well as the smear merchants of the [faux] conservative variety.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 10/22/2007

hey racist senseless:
is your problem with a limited vocabulary and a limited view on the world related to one of the following reasons?
#1 a botched lobotomy?
#2 A TBI ( traumatic brain injury)?
#3 Inbreeding?

Me thinks your mother should have done our world a favor when she was pregnant with you and had an abortion.

If you can read you should try this on and then come back on this blog and defend your Killary.

http://thenation.com/doc/20071105/baker_federman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 10/22/2007

hey its racist senselessamerican;
is your problem with a limited vocabulary and a limited view on the real world related to one of the following reasons?
#1 A botched lobotomy
#2 A TBI (traumatic brain injury)?
#3 Inbreeding?
Your mother should have done our world a favor and had an abortion when she was pregnant with you.
Hey idiot did you learn to read yet
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071105/baker_federman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 10/22/2007

Okay SensibleAmerican, since you replied to me and I read the comment you left below . . .

Why do you insist on using Barack's middle name when you don't use anyone else's middle name? I know Barack's parents named him, but Hillary's parents gave her a middle name too. So why no Hillary Diane comments? Could it be because it doesn't bring up Islamophobia like Hussein?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 10/22/2007

For the record, I gotta point out what I meant.

I didn't read the entire article at first. But from what happened over the whole SC gospel concerts (please, if you have any opinion on that, do NOT leave them on this thread!), it's clear that any little misstep or misspeak or misquote of Obama gets blown WAY out of proportion.

I don't want Obama to be a flip-flopper. I don't cheer when he gets bad press. I'm really pulling for him. I just wish I were running his campaign. He'd have this thing sewn up by now if I were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 10/22/2007

You and everybody else seems to wish that they were running Obama's campaign. I place the blame on Obama. He is what he is, not what people wish he was.
He did campaign for Lieberman. He did vote for the Patriot Act. His recent "not voting" record is hardly inspiring. His stances with respect to Iran are no less scary than Clinton's.
When people say that they're pulling for him, I really ask myself why. Is there no one they can support that doesn't need guidance? Isn't there a grown-up in the house?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 10/22/2007
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One term as a Senator should be considered all the corruption and contamination that an honest soul should be subjected to. Barack is a talented, educated politician who can speak brilliantly in general terms. Given time and the chance to mature without too many compromises, he could become one of our greatest Presidents.

At present, his ambition exceeds his experience but in time, Barack Obama could make a great President. Acting as a VP under a populist President, Obama could grow into his potential, first learning and then promoting programs that are clearly a defeat of corporate fascism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/22/2007
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Nope sorry, it's still Obama/Edwards not Edwards/Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 10/22/2007

I have no objection that Obama is talented, educated and speaks brilliantly in general terms. History is littered with thousands like him. He needs to put those "words" into action. We cannot have a President-Trainee
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Obama is a Senator-trainee. If he has that ambition, he must go thru the wringer. And let us see how he arises from the ashes !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 10/22/2007

And who would this populist President be? Certainly not Hillary!! Hillary running for president would simply return Congress to a Republican majority and imagine how productive that will be. I'd even agree Edwards would be a great president for Obama to VP under but right now he's BEHIND Obama in ranking. Now if Gore wanted to jump in, it's been said for over a year now that Gore/Obama would be the best ticket that the Dems could field and I'd agree wholedheartedly. But let's deal with the reality as it exists today. I still say Obama is the better choice. Folks can parrot the inexperience line all they want - it's demonstration of wise judgement that matters and Obama has shown that far better than the other front-runners.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/22/2007

As a careeer politician the O-Bomb-able one knows how to sidestep, reverse / back peddle and bypass issues he does not want to discuss in a legitamite manner. In this aspect he is no better than Billery and the many of the other "professionals" in Washington.

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/t/thesidestep.shtml
THE SIDESTEP
From : "The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/22/2007
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Pretty good for a rank amateur with no experience don't ya think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 10/22/2007

The rank amateur part is right.
When it comes to sidestepping he has lots of company (including Billery) in the chorus line.
Or is Billery playing the part of the madam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 10/22/2007

shifty is as shifty does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/22/2007

Barack Hussein had introduced a similar resolution in Spring this year, similar to the Kyl-Lieberman 'resolution'. I have always maintained that his candidacy is all fluff, now bordering on farce! His statements change all the time, so do his stands while his votes in the Senate belie his pronouncements. That is if/when he votes, having run away from a lot of critical votes recently!

Trying to be a centrist, while pandering to the far-left-fringe can get you into a situation where you forget what you said when and whether you are coming or going ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 10/22/2007

HRC supporters read this and then weep

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071105/baker_federman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/22/2007

Fellow far-left-looney otisfujpecker?! Or just another member of the Nader-herd?! Oh OK, one and the same thing really ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 10/22/2007

hey racist senseless:
is your problem with a limited vocabulary and a limited view on the world related to one of the following reasons?
#1 a botched lobotomy?
#2 A TBI ( traumatic brain injury)?
#3 Inbreeding?

Me thinks your mother should have done our world a favor when she was pregnant with you and had an abortion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 10/22/2007
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Shame on you SenselessAnti-American!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/22/2007

hey racist senseless:
is your problem with a limited vocabulary and a limited view on the world related to one of the following reasons?
#1 a botched lobotomy?
#2 A TBI ( traumatic brain injury)?
#3 Inbreeding?

Me thinks your mother should have done our world a favor when she was pregnant with you and had an abortion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/22/2007
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You should know pussy whipped Hillary boy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 10/22/2007
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