Gov't Auditors Warned Bush Administration About Poor Firefighting Plans

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First Posted: 10-24-07 02:10 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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As firefighters continue to risk their lives battling the inferno in southern California, evidence is growing that the Bush administration is not adequately prepared to support them.

The Government Accountability Office, Congress's nonpartisan auditor, issued stark warnings earlier this year on shortcomings in the administration's plans to fight fires.

2007-10-24-fire.jpgIn a June report, the GAO report faulted the U.S. Forest Service, Department of Agriculture, and other agencies for failing to accomplish the "fundamental step" of planning out what assets and resources were needed to prepare for approaching fire seasons. Meanwhile, disaster response problems that have become all too familiar in recent years were also identified: administration officials placing resources where they were politically expedient, and using poorly performing contractors to accomplish critical national tasks.

Strong evidence of the specific federal government failures were provided by the Orange County Register this morning. The paper faulted federal planners for erecting red tape that prevented the use of more DC-10 airplanes to drop flame retardant on areas that were on fire.

"It would be nice to have more such planes available, don't you think?" an editorial in the paper asked. "If the federal government had had its way, even this one almost certainly wouldn't be flying this week....One can understand a certain amount of caution from the Forest Service, but this is bureaucratic overkill."

Robin Nazarro, the Director of GAO's Natural Resources and Environment program, told the Huffington Post why the Forest Service's planning has been inadequate.

"If you don't have goals and strategies for carrying them out, you're in a reactive mode rather than a proactive mode," the report's lead author said. "They say they are using 5 to 10 year averages, but each year the fires gets worse, so they're always underestimating what they need."

The report shows that the Bush administration was warned that the approximately $3 billion spent each year on fire prevention and suppression was not being used appropriately.

"Agencies have not yet improved their systems for determining the appropriate type and quantity of firefighting assets needed for the fire season or for effectively and efficiently procuring them," the GAO states.

The bad planning by the agencies even raised red flags in the White House, where the report's authors say that the President's Office of Management and Budget "told us they would not allow the firefighting agencies to publish long-term funding estimates until the agencies had sufficiently reliable data on which to base those estimates."

The GAO also criticized federal agencies for deploying costly firefighting resources "in response to political or social pressures."

"[F]irefighting assets may sit idle at a fire rather than be released for use elsewhere because managers are concerned that they will be unable to recall an asset if they need it later, or air tankers may drop flame retardants when on-the-ground conditions may not warrant such drops," it warns.

Other problems, the GAO notes, involve private contractors, a common malady in the Bush administration. The Forest Service has turned to national contractors that can deploy firefighting crews and aviation resources anywhere in the nation, but a failure to ensure accountability has resulted in poor performance.

"[R]equirements varied from contract to contract and did not ensure that the agencies obtained the most cost-effective assets," it reported. "Further, inadequate administration and oversight of the agreements by the agencies resulted in poor contractor performance and high rental rates."

Nazarro also highlighted the lack of skilled managers within the Forest Service in particular.

"They don't have enough managers trained in whether to engage in fire use or to suppress," the GAO researcher said. "They need 300 managers, but they're short, with fewer than 100 now, and only another 100 being trained."

Members of Congress blasted the Bush administration's firefighting planning this past summer after the GAO report's release. During a June hearing, Senator Bingaman warned that Bush had focused on cutting budgets in place of adequately preparing for wildfires.

"The Administration's budgets indicate that it believes that containing wildfire costs must come at the expense of preparedness," argued Bingaman, chairman of the Senate energy committee. "Its fiscal year 2008 budget proposes a nearly $90 million cut in the preparedness account. But starving the preparedness, wildfire suppression, and other Forest Service programs is not an effective or efficient strategy to contain those costs."

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- HHR I'm a Fan of HHR permalink

Of course the fed response is crappy. That's the plan, as it was in New Orleans. These people aren't as stupid as we'd like to think. However, they are mean as hell, and determined. The sooner us commoners are dead the better as far as they are concerned. Our labor is no longer necessary to them. Wealth is being transferred to the them at an ever-accelerating rate (note the real estate bubble and the bailout of banks, not borrowers). Their goal is to move us even closer to late 19th Century conditions, and they are succeeding ... even as the U.S. herd moos contentedly while all its rights and privacy disappear right in front of it.

On the other hand I have limited sympathy for people who buy homes in areas that have been known for their susceptibility to fire for decades. Hell, southern California has been burning for most of my life. Yet, that didn't stop developers and self-deluded home buyers from moving there. A similar case could be made for people who choose to live in areas susceptible to flooding ... like New Orleans.

The sad thing is, the rich are using the New Orleans disaster as a means for clearing out poor people and gentrifying the areas where they lived, you know, like they do in New York City and every other major city, while we moron commoners look on with pride. Just hope the rich bastards get drowned next time and that the herd awakens before it's too late. In the SoCal instance, the fed response will be better, because a lot of those folks who lost homes are VERY WEALTHY. C'est la vie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/24/2007
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On the other hand I have limited sympathy for people who buy homes in areas that have been known for their susceptibility to fire for decades.Hell,southern California has been burning most of my life.Yet,that didn't stop developers and self deluded home buyers from moving there.A similar case could be made for people who choose to live in areas susceptible to flooding...like New Orleans
-HHR
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By 2007,California's population has reached 37,7000,00,making it the most poulated sate and is the 13th fastest growing sate.

California is the second most poulus state in the Western Hemisphere,exceeded only by Sao Paulo State,Brazil.More than 12% of U.S. citezens live in California and it's population is greater than that of all but 34 countries of the world.

I've posed this question before Where Do You propose all these people live?

As for New Orleans if the Dutch can keep their country, which half of it is below see level from flooding and drowning why can't we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Population

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 10/25/2007
- HHR I'm a Fan of HHR permalink

Ever hear of birth control? The time is long past for people to hold the notion that they have some right to reproduce. It's time to face up to the fact that as a species we must keep our population within its carrying capacity. If we don't, our numbers will be brought into balance by natural forces. It's only a matter of time.

I find the population argument a nonsensical justification for people to act stupidly. People in SoCal have been building in fire-prone areas from the beginning. There ARE other areas, even in California, even in southern California, where people could have chosen to build houses and live that are not as threatened by fires as the brushy hillsides and forested areas surrounding LA. But, then, those places aren't appealing to the well-to-do. They aren't good places to for them to look down on the rest of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 10/25/2007
- ClintonFun I'm a Fan of ClintonFun 5 fans permalink

A BLUE-BELLIED BEATLE (not Bush)

A RED-TOED FROG (not Global Warming)

A SNOWY PLUMBER (egg-sized bird)

NO, these are not left wing activists OR DEMORAT CONGRESSMEN,

but left wing, democrat party environmental activists successfully USED THESE

3 LITTLE FRIENDS to

PREVENT BADLY NEEDED BRUSH REMOVAL and
loaded down CITIES / NEIGHBORHOODS with OPPRESSIVE BIG GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS that
created the TINDER BOXES
that NOT ONLY
BURNED DOWN 1200 PLUS HOMES this week,
DELAYED A ROCKET LAUNCH and
DIVERTED AN AMTRAC TRAIN.

WAY TO GO!!

SmokeyTheBear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/24/2007

The fire was arson, Bush did it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 10/24/2007
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 145 fans permalink
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No Clinton did it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Liar!

Bush doesn't have the intelligence to light a match without burning himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/24/2007
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

and half the planet along with it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/24/2007

Yes, Bush watches with "amusement" as homes burn.

By the way, that "war protester" looks like red sparks would fly out of her fingertips if she touched Condi's shoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Bush likes fire much as a child does. He also likes it when thing blow up.

Except Condi's shoes are made from oil, and they can never be removed. That time she was shopping for shoes during Katrina was just a show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 10/24/2007

Condi is lucky that even war protesters are so well behaved in the US. Anywhere else in the world and she would be having surgery to retrive her buck teeth from the back of her skull.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 10/24/2007

Thank goodness all our troops and national guard are in Iraq where they are safe from these fires. We have to remember, Iraq is much more valuable to big oil companies when compared to California. Bush is right in letting California burn. They didn't vote for him anyway.

Don't worry, you will get used to being on your own in a calamity. Don't count on this Federal government to rescue you... unless you are an illegal or an oil company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 10/24/2007
- demsrnuts I'm a Fan of demsrnuts 5 fans permalink

there are currently 17,000 guardsmen in california that for some reason Arnold decided were not needed to fight this fire !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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They're on call to fight Islam, demerolnuts.

Are you fer us or agin' us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 10/24/2007
- optiquest I'm a Fan of optiquest 3 fans permalink

well I gather from what you wrote that a national guardsman or soldier from any state would be counted as the only able bodied men in Calif. Apparently none exist now. Not to mention, i also didnt realize the primary job for the national guard or our soldiers were firemen.

thanks for the clarifacation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 10/25/2007
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Gee. Another natural disaster, another bush failure. Go together like a horse and carriage...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 10/24/2007

Look at Bush's track record before he became President. He has failed at everything he has ever done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/24/2007

Sad but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 10/25/2007
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 95 fans permalink

Another Bushite confirmed by Congress, but I don't see it on HuffPo:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/24/washington/24cnd-southwick.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 10/24/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 668 fans permalink
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I was already depressed, thanks oli, ugh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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The article states (among other atrocities):

'In addition to Senators Feinstein and Nelson, the Democrats who voted to confirm Judge Southwick were Daniel Akaka of Hawaii; Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia; Tim Johnson of South Dakota; Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, both of Arkansas; and Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan, both of North Dakota.'

The Democratic "big tent" could use a little fumigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/24/2007
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 274 fans permalink

BushCo wanted to respond to those warnings... they really did. It's just that they're busy "fightin' 'em there so we won't have to fight 'em here".

'Course, they weren't THAT busy when they were warned, "bin Laden determined...".

Here's your big clue, trolls: The reason a lot of the anger's being laid at Bush's doorstep is because NOBODY'S RUNNING THE STORE AT HOME. The whole fuckin' show's been exported to Iraq, along with the Federal budget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 10/24/2007
- PollM I'm a Fan of PollM 8 fans permalink

.
Here we go again, lots of BS by BUSH and FEMA. The truth is, FEMA response is too late and in-adequate.

Air Resource by the Federal Government insufficient Orange County Fire Chief Says, Is the Federal Government faltering again?
----> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=784.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 10/24/2007

I'm still searching for an Internet site where I can participate in a political poll.

Has anyone managed to find one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Let's take a poll and find out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 10/24/2007

http://64.150.167.66/index.php
small but nice site Political Wrinkles

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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As long as the Bush Administration's incompetent and criminal cronies are in "charge" of the Federal Government, the answer is a resounding YES.

There, I just saved everyone a trip to whatever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 10/24/2007
- ClintonFun I'm a Fan of ClintonFun 5 fans permalink

A BLUE-BELLIED BEATLE (not Bush)

A RED-TOED FROG (not Global Warming)

A SNOWY PLUMBER (egg-sized bird)

NO, these are not left wing activists OR DEMORAT CONGRESSMEN,

but left wing, democrat party environmental activists successfully USED THESE

3 LITTLE FRIENDS to

PREVENT BADLY NEEDED BRUSH REMOVAL and
loaded down CITIES / NEIGHBORHOODS with OPPRESSIVE BIG GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS that
created the TINDER BOXES
that NOT ONLY
BURNED DOWN 1200 PLUS HOMES this week,
DELAYED A ROCKET LAUNCH and
DIVERTED AN AMTRAC TRAIN.

WAY TO GO!!

SmokeyTheBear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/24/2007
- Old Writer I'm a Fan of Old Writer 4 fans permalink

Okay, we’re agreed that we can no longer fight twenty-first century fires with nineteenth century hoses. Here’s a hot tip for a wide awake politician: While we're still smoldering, propose a National Air Fire Service.
Take forty or fifty military aircraft out of moth balls, retrofit them, station them where they can get to any corner of the U.S. in four hours, and train pilots to drop water instead of bombs.
Joseph C. Cavella
HowToWriteComedy.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 10/24/2007
- sagopalm I'm a Fan of sagopalm 3 fans permalink

It amazes me there's still people who will continue support bush when he clearly doesn't support them. They will defend his lack of caring for his fellow citizens by saying it's not the government's responsibility to help when its' citizens are in trouble.
We pay a tremendous cost in taxes and deserve something for it in return. The developers and the municipalities reap huge profits by building and allowing builing to take place in these areas. I'm sick of it being ok for corporations to profit from their questionable building practices and constructing homes and entire communities where they probably shouldn't but the buyer is at fault for wanting to live where he shouldn't be living. 'How dare these people build their homes in high risk fire-prone-hurricane-prone-tornado-prone-flood-prone-earthquake-prone areas! They all deserve everything they get!'

It isn't just that bush doesn't like black people as Kanye West suggested. He doesn't like (or give a rat's ass about) ANYBODY!
This worthless excuse for a president will at every opportunity deny services to American citizens so he can continue merrily on his boneheaded folly.
Oh, and Tonya...don't preach to me or any liberal about hatred. Republicans are steeped in their hatred. Republicans seethed and frothed at the mouth for eight years in their ridiculous hatred for Bill and Hillary. You guys whined and whined and whined and whined until you needed to be bitch slapped.

The same thing happened in the eighties when the AIDS epidemic became a threat. The republicans turned it into a hate based political hot potato. They didn't care enough about their fellow human beings to even TRY to do anything.

I'm no big fan of the Democrats because they'r just as power hungry as the republicans. But my vote from here on is strictly to keep these assholes out of office. I've seen what they're made of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 10/24/2007
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 145 fans permalink
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Stay the course. Even when it leads you right into the gates of Hell, Stay the course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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KevinH says:

"The extreme liberals that fuel the fire on this site are looking for any reason to blame Bush."

Bush hands out reasons for free. Nobody needs to look for them.

Then he says (and I'm paraphrasing), "but-but-but Clinton..."

It's a textbook example of Republican deflection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 10/24/2007
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Nothing like ruining the country and then sittin' back and watchin' it go up in flames.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 10/24/2007

What is a total whinebucket?

A troll complaining about the "treatment" they get on here. This is a progressive website, and they are allowed to spew their venom every day of the week, but it's not enough, they want people to read their swill and faint with the beauty of their prose.

This website is totally unique, everybody gets a chance to spout, but those who are too damn far out are eventually scrubbed. If you let the shit remain, Handtitty would be holding up a printed version saying all libs are insane and blame Bush for 9/11. Instead of being grateful that you can come on here and say your crap, you spam, change the subject every other word and are a general nuisance.

If you can't play, go away, you twits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 10/24/2007
- demsrnuts I'm a Fan of demsrnuts 5 fans permalink

Who is complaining..You guys are absolutely hillarious....the slightest comment and you all go off pising in your pants...I guess thats what happens when all you have to do for 8 years is piss and moan and then are totally frustrated about those losers you counted on in Reid and Pelosi !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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At least we know they're not CRIMINALS.

And that's a good thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 10/24/2007
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Your gonna get banned again Jeffie. I'm thinking IP ban this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 10/24/2007
- JamesR. I'm a Fan of JamesR. 212 fans permalink
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Hey Goober. Start screaming again. That's so funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/24/2007
- Turnip I'm a Fan of Turnip 147 fans permalink

Is the only thing on the menu here watered-down troll?

Less filling, more calories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 10/24/2007

And past its expiration date.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 10/24/2007
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Three years past their expiration date.

8

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 10/24/2007
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