Gov't Auditors Warned Bush Administration About Poor Firefighting Plans

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First Posted: 10-24-07 02:10 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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As firefighters continue to risk their lives battling the inferno in southern California, evidence is growing that the Bush administration is not adequately prepared to support them.

The Government Accountability Office, Congress's nonpartisan auditor, issued stark warnings earlier this year on shortcomings in the administration's plans to fight fires.

2007-10-24-fire.jpgIn a June report, the GAO report faulted the U.S. Forest Service, Department of Agriculture, and other agencies for failing to accomplish the "fundamental step" of planning out what assets and resources were needed to prepare for approaching fire seasons. Meanwhile, disaster response problems that have become all too familiar in recent years were also identified: administration officials placing resources where they were politically expedient, and using poorly performing contractors to accomplish critical national tasks.

Strong evidence of the specific federal government failures were provided by the Orange County Register this morning. The paper faulted federal planners for erecting red tape that prevented the use of more DC-10 airplanes to drop flame retardant on areas that were on fire.

"It would be nice to have more such planes available, don't you think?" an editorial in the paper asked. "If the federal government had had its way, even this one almost certainly wouldn't be flying this week....One can understand a certain amount of caution from the Forest Service, but this is bureaucratic overkill."

Robin Nazarro, the Director of GAO's Natural Resources and Environment program, told the Huffington Post why the Forest Service's planning has been inadequate.

"If you don't have goals and strategies for carrying them out, you're in a reactive mode rather than a proactive mode," the report's lead author said. "They say they are using 5 to 10 year averages, but each year the fires gets worse, so they're always underestimating what they need."

The report shows that the Bush administration was warned that the approximately $3 billion spent each year on fire prevention and suppression was not being used appropriately.

"Agencies have not yet improved their systems for determining the appropriate type and quantity of firefighting assets needed for the fire season or for effectively and efficiently procuring them," the GAO states.

The bad planning by the agencies even raised red flags in the White House, where the report's authors say that the President's Office of Management and Budget "told us they would not allow the firefighting agencies to publish long-term funding estimates until the agencies had sufficiently reliable data on which to base those estimates."

The GAO also criticized federal agencies for deploying costly firefighting resources "in response to political or social pressures."

"[F]irefighting assets may sit idle at a fire rather than be released for use elsewhere because managers are concerned that they will be unable to recall an asset if they need it later, or air tankers may drop flame retardants when on-the-ground conditions may not warrant such drops," it warns.

Other problems, the GAO notes, involve private contractors, a common malady in the Bush administration. The Forest Service has turned to national contractors that can deploy firefighting crews and aviation resources anywhere in the nation, but a failure to ensure accountability has resulted in poor performance.

"[R]equirements varied from contract to contract and did not ensure that the agencies obtained the most cost-effective assets," it reported. "Further, inadequate administration and oversight of the agreements by the agencies resulted in poor contractor performance and high rental rates."

Nazarro also highlighted the lack of skilled managers within the Forest Service in particular.

"They don't have enough managers trained in whether to engage in fire use or to suppress," the GAO researcher said. "They need 300 managers, but they're short, with fewer than 100 now, and only another 100 being trained."

Members of Congress blasted the Bush administration's firefighting planning this past summer after the GAO report's release. During a June hearing, Senator Bingaman warned that Bush had focused on cutting budgets in place of adequately preparing for wildfires.

"The Administration's budgets indicate that it believes that containing wildfire costs must come at the expense of preparedness," argued Bingaman, chairman of the Senate energy committee. "Its fiscal year 2008 budget proposes a nearly $90 million cut in the preparedness account. But starving the preparedness, wildfire suppression, and other Forest Service programs is not an effective or efficient strategy to contain those costs."

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- PollM I'm a Fan of PollM 8 fans permalink

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Here we go again, lots of BS by BUSH and FEMA. The truth is, FEMA response is too late and in-adequate.

Air Resource by the Federal Government insufficient Orange County Fire Chief Says, Is the Federal Government faltering again? ----> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=784.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 10/24/2007
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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"Among the injured firefighters was Linda Lewis' daughter, whose face so burned so severely she was initially thought to be dead.

"Her first response to me was 'I'm sorry,' " Lewis told CNN at University of California-San Diego Medical Center's burn unit.

"She told me that she was in the truck when the fire overtook them and then had to get out of the truck," the worried mother continued. "So with all their protective gear, everything was covered, but her face was exposed; and so that's why she was burned so badly there."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 10/24/2007

Liberals blaming the fires on Bush? Who the f*** woulda thunk that?

Keep yapping libs. People are seeing through this s***.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 10/24/2007
- sgtjiggs I'm a Fan of sgtjiggs 7 fans permalink

We don't call 'em moonbats for nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 10/24/2007
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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Quoting jeersforfears:

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"blaming the fires on Bush"
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 10/24/2007
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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Nobody blamed Chimpy for the fires sparky. They blamed him for not paying attention to facts before the fires, like that's a surprise.

They also blame him for having most of our disaster equipment in the wrong country for the wrong reasons for way too long.

They're right on both counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 10/24/2007
- Thalia I'm a Fan of Thalia 162 fans permalink

actually, "they" didn't. The Feds did, GAO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 10/24/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

I suppose the fires in that area throughout history have all been his fault.

Considering the severity of the fires, unlike Katrina, the govt. (state,fed,local) are doing a great job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 10/24/2007

No one says that except all you witless rightwing stooges.

Liberals blame the fires on arsonists, accidents and the Santa Ana winds---all aided by a century of fire suppression in stead of controlled burns.

Try being truthful for once---unless you think you'll burst into flames if you tell the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 10/24/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

Leftwing environmentalists have stopped the practice of controlled burns. And have 59 law suites as of right now on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 10/24/2007

Only 1500 of the 20,000 National Guard Troops who were supposed to be stationed in California for such emergencies (as were their PLANES that could have been used to drop fire retardant) were present: BECAUSE THEY ARE IN IRAQ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 10/24/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD IN IRAQ----2000

CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD IN CALIFORNIA----17,000

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 10/24/2007

Quadspect

DANG! You silenced furryass just when we were starting to have some fun fucking with him.

I hate it when that happens! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 10/24/2007

So you are right: It IS the fault of the Democrats that they have not impeached this criminal administration!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 10/24/2007

"Liberal" and "conservative" are labels used to OBSTRUCT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRUTH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 10/24/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 663 fans permalink
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Chris Mathews asked the dem head of the ways and means committee why dems just don't cut off the funding , he said they don't have the 60 votes needed in the Senate ( 60, I don't know how he pulled that odd number out of his ass )

I'm use to repigs lying, whenever they speak, but dems, don't lie to us, keep it up, and you will be out on your asses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 10/24/2007

It takes 60 votes to invoke cloture and cut off debate, so that the bill may be voted on---where only 51 votes is required to pass.

The Republicans have been very adept at using the threat of filibuster to stop legislative action.

They're obstructionists, and they're proud of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 10/24/2007

Well, 60 votes to break a filibuster and bring the issue to a vote, but in this case, you're right, that's got nothing to do with it. If they wanted to pull the plug, they could just not introduce legislation anymore funding bills. No one would have to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 10/24/2007
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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I'm still trying to figure out why they haven't at least cut the funding for Gitmo by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 10/24/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 663 fans permalink
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Exactly, all they have to do , is nothing, game over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 10/24/2007

The 60 number is not something he pulled "out of his ass." It takes 60 votes in the Senate to end a filibuster. Consequently, if the Republicans do not want any action on a bill they invoke the filibuster rule, and the Democrats cannot get the measure to the floor for a vote unless 60 senators first vote to end the filibuster. Although the Democrats hold a majority in the Senate, there are not 60 Democrats. So, the Democrats must get cooperation from Republican senators to break the filibuster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 10/24/2007

Yes, but the Democrats don't have to bring any legislation to the floor in this case. Once the last funding bill expires, they could just refuse to introduce another one. No one would have to vote on anything.

I'm sure sure that I'm in favor of just yanking the funding -- I don't like the idea of the soldiers being hung out to dry because of the mistakes and misdeeds of the civilian leadership -- but the Democrats could do it if they wanted to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 10/24/2007
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 663 fans permalink
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dumbya can't write his own checks, he needs a complicit Congress, thats a fact. Congress doesn't have to do shit, any legislation that goes to a vote has to be approved by Pelosi, she could just leave it on her desk, but she is playing politics, imo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 10/24/2007
- starrianna I'm a Fan of starrianna 49 fans permalink
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At least Hell isn't freezing over.

Or is it? THE DRUDGE REPORT is covering the fires, saying simply:

"ARSON"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 10/24/2007

I love it. They conclude today that one of the 18 fires is arson, and that's the angle that's getting played up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 10/24/2007
- dogman44 I'm a Fan of dogman44 54 fans permalink
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Irani Al Qud fighters armed with matches!!!! Attack Iran!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 10/24/2007
- SmellyOne I'm a Fan of SmellyOne 28 fans permalink
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Right now on yahoo! there is a home page story called "Why so many mega fires", and actually it's a video from 60 minutes.

It says that a hundred years of effective fire-fighting has built up the forrests and therefore increased the amount of fuel there is to burn now.

He didn't mention global warming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 10/24/2007
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 42 fans permalink
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Effective fire suppression has increased the amount of fuel avilable, but now the plan involves allowing fires to burn themselves out where practical. There is I believe, a disease killing oaks and pines in Ca. and this has contributed a great deal to the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 10/24/2007
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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They've been talking about prescribed burning vs. fire suppression of forests and other natural lands for decades.

The devastating Yellowstone fire of 1988 was a major wake-up call for the advocacy of forest thinning and prescribed burning to prevent cataclysmic wildfires that would severely damage forest and brush ecosystems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_fires_of_1988

Later, the Arizona wildfires added more "fuel to the fire," so to speak:
http://www.cpluhna.nau.edu/Change/reintroduction_of_fire.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 10/24/2007
- Jeff1958 I'm a Fan of Jeff1958 45 fans permalink
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I was in Yellowstone one winter day about 10 years after the fire. The area was still devastated and appeared surreal. Bison, geysers, waterfalls and something out of a science fiction movie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 10/24/2007
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

here's one for the chicken hawks having trouble with reality... namely, all of them.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-turkey23oct23,1,355556.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

some much for that whack-a-mole theory of 'diplomacy'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 10/24/2007
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Gars,that comes up page not found.

Can go into archives but what would one be looking for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 10/24/2007
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Well, speaking of fires, my husband just got home... Night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 10/24/2007
- demsrnuts I'm a Fan of demsrnuts 5 fans permalink

HERE IS A CORRECTED LINK TO THE MIKE GRAVEL PETITON :

http://www.petitionspot.com/signature/letgravelspeakoct30

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 10/24/2007
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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What kind of person gets repeatedly banned from a sports blog? What do you suppose would be the psychological make-up of such a sad person?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 10/24/2007

Well, having a nose that looks like a penis might have something to do with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 10/24/2007

That center pic looks creepy... the house looks like a face, with fire it its eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 10/24/2007
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Yeah ... great photo. Especially with the Jack-O'Lanterns in front.

The photo editors have outdone themselves.

8

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 10/24/2007
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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"Battalion Chief David Nissen surveyed the scene in front of the Harris fire in southeastern San Diego County. Smoke and fire boiled on a hilltop above a valley filled with rural ranch houses. "This place is going to be hammered," he said.

Fire crews were busy in other hot spots as he pulled off the road to close the garage door of one home. "Sometimes that's all we can do," he said."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 10/24/2007
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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"We've lost thousands of acres of avocados. That will be one of the big losses," Jay Van Rein, spokesman for the California Department of Food and Agriculture, said of the avocados in a telephone interview with Reuters.

In addition to avocados, other agriculture in the fire areas includes citrus groves, egg farms, and plant nurseries.

There are 18 active fires which have burned *666* square miles.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 10/24/2007

coyote4

Sounds downright Armegeddon-like, don't it?

Thanks a buttload, Beezel-Bush!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 10/24/2007
- reece5309 I'm a Fan of reece5309 9 fans permalink

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The problem with this, is that it presupposes that there has been a problem with the Emergency Response down here in San Diego. So sorry to disappoint those who wish things were worse in order to lambast Bush, but the response has been fantastic. Navy Region Southwest, The Marine bases,The National Guard, City and County as well as state firefighters were on this situation almost instantly. Coordination was roundly recognized as stellar by the local media (if you care to hear what they have to say, rather than Roston, pontificating in his pajamas from who knows where.) The fact that this is a fire in which up to 600,000 people have been displaced, 270,000 acres have been destroyed, and there have been only SIX fatalities, speaks to how well our emergency response was coordinated. People at Qualcomm Stadium are falling over themselves to tell the local reporters how well they've been treated. There has been absolutely no looting to speak of. And the reverse 911 system is effectively coordinating instructions to folks in displaced areas. Before you go throwing around reckless accusations of negligence, why don't you try to find out some of the facts going on out here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 10/24/2007
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 42 fans permalink
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The majority of these plans are formulated by local and state authorities. The test for the feds comes after these fires are controlled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 10/24/2007

To judge by the thousands of houses burned to the ground in other parts of California, maybe San Diego, being heavy with Republicans, received superior resources.... Which would be typical of this politically vindictive administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 10/24/2007
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Okay, I know the fires in California are a terrible thing, but Rudy is cheering for the Red Sox???!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 10/24/2007

Yankee fan will not be pleased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 10/24/2007
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I'm a Metz fan, actually and even I don't cheer for the Red Sox. No Yankee fan should vote for the guy. And Red Sox fans should see him for what he is, a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 10/24/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

HILLARY----says she's both a Yankees and Cubs fan. She plays both sides just like she does in politics

OBAMA-----a die-hard Chicago White Sox fan, whether team is going good or bad. I, grudgingly, give him respect for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 10/24/2007

Wouldn't be something if the arsonists in the terrible fire were illegal aliens or US citizens sympathetic to the Aztlan/MEChA?

I wonder what that would do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 10/24/2007

Wouldn't it be something if the arsonists in the terrible fire were a Girl Scout Troop?

I wonder what that would do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 10/24/2007
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What it if was someone who said Jeebus told him to burn California?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 10/24/2007
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Classic propaganda tactic.

So RebelPatriot when was the last time you beat your wife?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 10/24/2007
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

They'd still blame Bush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 10/24/2007
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