Huffington Post Exclusive: Ben Karlin Speaks Out About "Daily Show" Experiences

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After an eight year stint as head writer and executive producer of "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart", Emmy award winner Ben Karlin has amassed an impressive collection of behind-the-scenes stories. He made national news last December when he left "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report", which he helped create, at the peak of their popularity. He has kept a low profile since then, but luckily, cameras were on hand when Karlin made a rare public appearance at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre in New York City. Karlin sat down with "Inside Joke" host Carl Arnheiter for a frank discussion about his "Daily Show" experiences.

In the clip below, Karlin reflects on the worst part of his "Daily Show" experiences — interacting with actual journalists. He blasts the on-camera media types who praised the work of "The Daily Show" while still regurgitating mindless news, calling their choices "a prison of their own construction". Karlin also dismisses the assertion that some viewers only get their news from "The Daily Show", saying viewers would be very confused if they tuned in with no background of the show's topics. Instead, Karlin insists that "The Daily Show" "lives as a reaction to something", and shouldn't be used as a primary news source.






In the following clip Karlin offers his perspective from behind the scenes of Jon Stewart's infamous CNN "Crossfire" appearance. Later in the show, Karlin was asked if he looked back at the debacle days later and enjoyed the outcome. "No! No! No! We weren't trying to make any kind of statement or anything. It was just to try to do something a little differently, rather than go on a show and play this game that people always play. Like you have this set of rules where you're like, 'Oh Tucker, you're incorrigible'... We thought it was to have an honest conversation... It was kind of a cute idea that just didn't go down well."






In case you haven't seen it, here is Jon Stewart's legendary "CNN Crossfire" appearance that many claim is the reason CNN dropped the show from its lineup:




For more information on "Inside Joke with Carl Arnheiter" check out the show's website or check the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre's site to find out when the next installment is.

Patrick Waldo is the Huffington Post Video Editor.

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I am a total fan of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report...

And, I'm prepared for them to skewer the dems when they take over next year. They should..ke­ep these people on their toes, the msm won't...an­d I'm a Democrat with a capital progressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 10/27/2007
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The dems DID take over last year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 10/27/2007

It is so obvious, why don't people see it? The main stream press gets main stream money for not pressing for the truth and accepting bull$#*&, They know if they did their jobs of protecting the public, they would lose their own well paid jobs.

Don't rock the boat or we'll throw you overboard is the motto of both business and politics. By selling out to the highest bidder, politics and the press are owned by business rather than of, for or by the people.

What a fine mess you've got us into, Stanley!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 10/27/2007
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 148 fans permalink

Godbless Stewart and Colbert, and the whole cast and crew over at Comedy Central. What would we be without ye, boys?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 10/26/2007
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I really enjoyed the two clips from the Ben Karlin appearance, but since a lot of other people have revisited the whole "Crossfire" thing...
I've always been a big fan of cable news and when those argumentative shows would have actual newsmakers as guests, they did a pretty good job. What had happened to "Crossfire" and the other shows of that ilk was that they'd too rarely have anyone of substance and instead, they'd have two partisan, professional talking heads as guests and they'd "argue" by spouting their party's line.
As a result, I stopped watching "Crossfire", when I could predict the entire show just by hearing the topics and the line-up of guests, or when actually sitting through the program became a complete waste of time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 10/26/2007
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AND TUCKER NEVER WORE A BOW TIE, AGAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 10/26/2007

Two of the BEST jump out of your seat and cheer for the truth moments have come from The Daily Show --- Stewart on "Crossfire" and from former fake news correspondent, Stephen Colbert at the Washington Press Corps dinner.
SOme of us would cry if they didn't make us laugh. Olbermann is great too!! Amazingly scathing on a passionate, serious level.
What a country we'd be if a top tier prez candidate could deliver such "wow" moments of fearless honesty! We only hear passion from guys like Kucinich,Ravel (sp? -- see? not even enough coverage that I can recall how to spell his name) and even Paul. It's F'ing sad. I'm heading for The Daily Show website to avoid depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 10/26/2007

I think you mean Gravel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 10/27/2007

I love the show. Yet, I must always ask: Why is it called the Daily Show when it is only taped four days a week? Go figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 10/26/2007

He is a Jew, he can't do a live show Friday night.

Did you hear Tucker Carlson say he never attended Spin Alley!! What a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 10/26/2007
- ReelBusy I'm a Fan of ReelBusy 29 fans permalink
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And Steven Colbert's excuse would be what then? Save the semi-anti-semitic reasoning. Most late night talk show hosts have worked a 4 day week since the days of Johnny Carson. Jon and Comedy Central chose the long weekend to start with Friday since most of their targeted young audience is out at bars, clubs and movies etc on a Friday night, not home watching TV. Carson almost never worked Mondays during the last 15 years of his 30 year run to spite NBC because viewership is pretty high on Mondays.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 10/26/2007

Its not live, its taped!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 10/26/2007

Because it's a comedy show. Fox ripped off the same joke with their ridiculously titled "Half-hour News Hour"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 10/26/2007
- KoolBreez I'm a Fan of KoolBreez 15 fans permalink

It is also a 'Nightly'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 10/26/2007
- Juhd69 I'm a Fan of Juhd69 2 fans permalink

Because Comedy Central has 'Friday Night Stand-up' to show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 10/26/2007
- HRH I'm a Fan of HRH 8 fans permalink

What's with all this alleged negative reaction to Stewart's appearance on that ugly, phony show? Who's reacting negatively? My thinking is that only those phonies involved with the show and the neocon Kool-Air drinkers reacted negatively. Stewart was a gale of fresh air in that fetid swamp.

That it took a comedian to sneak it onto the corporate media, FINALLY, that the emperor has no clothes, speaks volumes about the pathetic state of media in the US.

Stewart (and Colbert and Olbermann) rock. A real thorn in the side of those who hate democracy and want to destroy it for power and $$$$$$$$$$$.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 10/26/2007

"Crossfire" was one of the only, if not THEE ONLY, mainstream television shows that had both sides (R and D) decrying the Iraq War as a mistake before it occurred. Granted, Carville, Novak, Tucker etc. all engaged in polemical quarreling as an entertainment form, but what of it? You mean to say when Jon Stewart rubs elbows and holds court nightly with scuzzbag pundits and political liars, that he isn't engaging in the same sort of media?

I recall after the infamous Stewart/Crossfire incident happened Jon Stewart's handlers swiftly attributed his behavior to "dehydration". It wasn't until it became an online sensation that he was suddenly glorified for taking the show down. That reputation, its worth noting, is largely unfounded. People fail to realize that Crossfire's cancellation coicided with CNN's new general manager who made it his mission to cancel ALL argumentative programming on the network - including "The Capital Gang", as well. Meanwhile the #1 cable news channel, Fox News, continues to dominate the ratings with the precise type of argumentative discourse that CNN purged themselves of - only difference being that their token liberals are mugwump turncoats with a personal constitution akin to lamb jelly. Personally, I'd take the tenacity of Carville/Begala over the limp wristed placidity of Alan Colmes any day. At least they argued out of a place of personal conviction.


So before any of you self-styled "liberals" unload vast heaps of praise on Jon Stewart, I think you better ask yourself this: since the show was canned, have more programs giving both sides of the political spectrum a voice debuted, or have less? At least with "Crossfire" on the air you could always rely on Carville and Begala (DLC flacks as they may be) to not let Republican propaganda go unchecked.

Way to go Jon Stewart! Not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 10/26/2007
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IndependentPatriot,
you circle around your own point and contradict yourself.
Didn't you proofread before posting?

First you assert that John IS NOT responsible for the closing of Crossfire. Then you blame him because it is no longer on the air.

Say what!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 10/26/2007

How DARE you accuse the Bush League of Logic and Consistency?!

Have you no SENSE? No SHAME?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 10/26/2007

Granted, Carville, Novak, Tucker etc. all engaged in polemical quarreling as an entertainment form, but what of it? You mean to say when Jon Stewart rubs elbows and holds court nightly with scuzzbag pundits and political liars, that he isn't engaging in the same sort of media?

Jon Stewart covered that. Carville and Novak the evil mirror twins and their fuzzy bunny alter egos Begala and Carlson are in CNN a 24 hour News Network where they followed Wolf Blitzer's war reports.

Jon Stewart at the time followed Jimmy Kimmel's show where puppets made crank phone calls. Now the Daily show follows a spoof on ER where a clueless intern at Sacred heart hospital daydreams about sex with the nurses. It is not the same standard. On CNN they should raise the bar, on Comedy Central it is limbo, they lower the bar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 10/26/2007
- nolalily I'm a Fan of nolalily 11 fans permalink

It was funny. Begala and Carlson acted like Jon was the real journalist. Jon just sat there - incredulous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 10/26/2007
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I think you missed one of the major points he was making on Crossfire, namely that he is a comedian and not a news journalist (he makes reference to being on after a show with puppets making crank calls). To try to hold him to the same standard as a news journalist is downright silly.

The other subtle assertion you make is based on the false premise that is so pervasive in today's "news" environment - that there are two sides to every story - a Democratic one and a Republican one. The purpose of a journalist should be to reveal the facts, and there aren't liberal facts or conservative facts despite that's the way news organizations now report stories. The whole concept that there are "two sides of the story" is rather preposterous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 10/26/2007
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Thanks for the clarification, Tucker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 10/26/2007
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People like Ben Karlin, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Keith Olbermann, Molly Ivens, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman and perhaps another two dozen or so journalists and commentators all deserve the Presidential Medal of Freedom. They should be so honored when the scum that is destroying this country have been investigated, indicted and punished. Let us all judge the worthiness of this nation based at least in part on whether these people are recognized and praised for their patriotism and intelligence by the next administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 10/26/2007

Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd and Paul Krugman deserve medals. Jon Stewart, not so much.

Jon Stewart is a dancing monkey. He would not dance on CNN, but does that deserve a medal.
No bulls will die today?
The monkey will not dance today?

Blood and Sand? I don't think Hemingway would
do Jon Stewart's biography.

"The Monkey Will Not Dance Today" is a good title however.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 10/26/2007

And Maureen Dowd not so much either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 10/26/2007
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comedians are just philosophers with an attitude. comedy is the obvious truth, so obvious in fact that it surprises us. no sense of humor? then no job in politics. somebody work up the funny test, will ya?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 10/26/2007
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Jon Stewart was so right. I was amazed that neither of the Crossfire hosts could rise to the bait and debate him. If they had even begun to believe in what they did, they could have thought up a response or two. However, they couldn't. Why? They knew Stewart had them dead to rights, and they froze like deer in the headlights. He really did try to engage them. This is one of the most honest 15 minutes of TV I've seen. BTW, I disliked Crossfire enough that I didn't watch it and so this was the first time I saw this great encounter.
Can someone do this with Russert and Matthews, two nerf balls if I've ever seen them. Will someone reanimate Lawrence E. Spivak, conservative though he was, to repudiate the blather.
Thank you for the clip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 10/26/2007
- Libsrule I'm a Fan of Libsrule 21 fans permalink

I remember that show and was watching it especially when Jon called Tucker a "dick". That brought the house down and Jon was practically a national hero for telling the emperor he had no clothers.

I was disappointed in Paul "colmes" Begala when he thought Jon had gone to far and thought Jon should apologize for telling the truth.

I used to watch that show and just could not believe how frightened Begala and other progressiv­e/liberals were on that show while the rightwing bloviators went hogwild with their idiocy and accusations.

Begala is still an asswipe with no courage and seems to have no problem with being a coward on CNN. I've watched when Wolfie has him on with other rightwingers and Begala and Donna are both pretty cowardly.

They seem to keep trying to find the appeasement middle ground instead of just standing the hell up and telling of the morons from the right who keep coming up with logical fallacies, outright lies and strawman arguments.

What ever happened to courageous liberals/p­rogressive­s on the MSM?

Oh yeah, TPTB decided they wanted a corporate fascist government and keeping the progressive's voices stilled as much as possible was the best way to do that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 10/26/2007

Jon appeared on Crossfire (or, the vaporous ghost of what was once Crossfire) and spake brutal Truth to those two men. He called them out for being part of the deception of America by politicians. He called "bullshit" when it needed to be called, and those two no longer have that show.

Jon took alot of heat over that appearance, but as a thinking citizen of America, I applaud his effort there.

PA Firefighter
"Cogito, ergo Liberal!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 10/26/2007

The Spin Alley comment is the most telling. Not a street, but a place in cyber space.

"After the debate, I took the press shuttle back to the media center — and to the small section therein blatantly designated “Spin Alley,” ringed on three sides by bare-bones makeshift broadcast platforms and stuffed to capacity with reporters, camera crews and politicos. Everywhere you looked there were clusters of media people surrounding spinners and surrogates, whose names were printed on laminated red signs held high above the crowd by aides. I felt like I was standing in the middle of one of my own damn cartoons come to life." ...Tom Tomorrow

Fleet Street, located between the City of London (the centre of financial power) and Westminster (the centre of political power), was occupied by British newspaper offices until the 1980s. It was literally where the sailors went when the fleet came in and a source of foreign news.

Reuter's North American headquarters is the Reuters Building at 3 Times Square, New York. It is on 7th Avenue between 42nd and 43rd Streets. Time Magazine, The New York Times represent the tradition of timely deadlines and keeping up with the times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/26/2007
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