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Dems Block $70 Billion In "No-Strings" Iraq Funding -- But For How Long?

November 6, 2007 06:30 PM


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Members of the House and Senate came together on Tuesday morning to work out how to fund U.S. armed forces at home and abroad. But at the end of the day, they remained largely in the dark about how Congress will ultimately proceed, particularly in regards to Iraq.

"Nobody can really pinpoint what the hell is going on," a Democratic staff member with knowledge of the defense funding negotiations told the Huffington Post Tuesday afternoon. "There's no clear path when you've got a president blocking the door, and with most Republicans willing to go along with him, there's not a lot of wiggle room."

After the morning conference meeting, House and Senate budget-makers agreed to pass $459 billion in appropriations for the Pentagon's basic operations. Members will also amend the bill on the floor to add $11.6 billion for mine-resistant armored personnel vehicles, or MRAPs. Moreover, the bill will be paired with a continuing resolution to keep the rest of the government funded through December 14, at which point Congress members will be required to take up a subsequent resolution if other pending spending bills are not yet completed. The previous continuing resolution to fund the government runs out on November 16.

But key questions remain: how and under what conditions will Congress fund U.S. military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere? Rep. David Obey (D-WI), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, insisted on Monday that he will not take up the president's emergency war budget request until early 2008. However, a gap remains between when the appropriations bill for next year kicks in and when the military's emergency funding for 2007 will run out.

Tuesday's conference meeting took up this question, with Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV), chairman of the Senate defense spending panel, wrangling with ranking Republican Ted Stevens (R-AK) over how best to deal with a "bridge fund" for the gap between the two budgets.

Byrd and other Democratic negotiators want to use the bridge funds as another tool to force policy changes on Iraq from President Bush. Attaching funds to an ordinary spending bill would allow Bush to continue the "horrible, misguided war in Iraq without any Congressional direction that he change course - no strings attached," Byrd's office said.

Stevens "wanted to use this opportunity to continue the status quo," said Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), in a Tuesday afternoon phone interview. "The way I look at it this morning is that the debate on Iraq obviously will be separate from this and this bill will not be mired down in that debate, and there was an attempt to link them through the bridge fund amendment from Sen. Stevens and he was defeated by members of his Senate subcommittee."

Another Congress member agreed.

"I'm pleased that the conference report does not include the President's request for $70 billion for Iraq," said Rep. Steve Rothman (D-NJ), also a member of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, in a statement. "The President should not be allowed to sneak funding for his failed Iraq Policy, which is draining our military might and resources, into a bill intended to build up our Armed Forces."

But at the end of the day, it's unclear how the matter of the bridge funding for the Iraq war will be concluded.

"We're leaving that up to the leadership to decide," said Matthew Mazonkey, a spokesman for Rep. John Murtha (D-PA), chairman of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. "We hope for it to be a separate bill than the base bill, so it's not attached to the Defense Department's regular funding. It will be their call for how long and how much."

Staff for Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not follow up with the Huffington Post on what the Democratic leadership's plan would be for the bridge funding.

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There are two easy ways for the Dems to handle this 1. Tell the white house to take the money (all forms of pay wages, benefits and rental that it costs to hire them and their equipment and use that money to ... - whoa! That would put us at war forever. Maybe that is not too good an idea after all, BUT 2. Tell the president to write the proper proposal for the bridge funding, his staff knows how to do that. Why should it go to the "Dem leadership" to fix or decide when Bush's staff knows how to turn in a proper proposal than can NOT be "sneaked" in by other kinds of funding or confused and built into, with other needed funding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 11/07/2007
- mellene I'm a Fan of mellene 10 fans permalink

Any amount of antagonism that can be given to this White House is well worth whatever time the Dems can hold them back. This absurd waste of money on a ridiculous invasion created by the neo-cons because they could will send our children into poverty for decades to come. The dollar is going to sink so low that it'll cost us $20 bucks pretty soon for a loaf of bread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 11/07/2007

This year on Nov. 11, our nation pauses on Veterans Day to remember those who have given so
much in the defense of our American freedoms and ideals. Members of our United States Armed
Forces have answered the call to serve and defend our great nation " and this day is the time to
thank them for their service.
Here are some Veterans Day facts:
- World War I ended on Nov. 11, 1918. On the same date three years later an unknown soldier from
that war was buried at Arlington National Cemetery. November 11 eventually became the date
America honors all who have served the United States in war
- The original concept for the celebration was for a day observed with parades and public meetings
and a brief suspension of business beginning at 11 a.m.
- This is the 54th observance of Veterans Day. In November 1919, President Woodrow Wilson
proclaimed Nov. 11 as the first commemoration of Armistice Day. Armistice Day became Veterans
Day on June 28, 1968, with passage of the Uniform Holiday Bill
- Veterans Day and Memorial Day are sometimes confused. Memorial Day honors servicemembers
who died in service to our nation. The intent of Veterans Day is to thank all servicemembers who
serve, and have served, honorably in the U.S. military
This Veterans Day, let"s reflect on the foresight, courage and sacrifices of our past leaders and
heroes and remember the courage and sacrifices of today"s Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, and
Coast Guardsmen, who are fighting for freedom and providing humanitarian relief at home and
overseas. We also need to remember their families and loved ones who stand by their side and
support them as they defend our country. Whether attending a parade, a memorial service or
observing the day in private, please reflect upon and mark this occasion by saying "Thank you," to our
veterans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 11/07/2007

This year on Nov. 11, our nation pauses on Veterans Day to remember those who have given so
much in the defense of our American freedoms and ideals. Members of our United States Armed
Forces have answered the call to serve and defend our great nation " and this day is the time to
thank them for their service.
Here are some Veterans Day facts:
- World War I ended on Nov. 11, 1918. On the same date three years later an unknown soldier from
that war was buried at Arlington National Cemetery. November 11 eventually became the date
America honors all who have served the United States in war
- The original concept for the celebration was for a day observed with parades and public meetings
and a brief suspension of business beginning at 11 a.m.
- This is the 54th observance of Veterans Day. In November 1919, President Woodrow Wilson
proclaimed Nov. 11 as the first commemoration of Armistice Day. Armistice Day became Veterans
Day on June 28, 1968, with passage of the Uniform Holiday Bill
- Veterans Day and Memorial Day are sometimes confused. Memorial Day honors servicemembers
who died in service to our nation. The intent of Veterans Day is to thank all servicemembers who
serve, and have served, honorably in the U.S. military
This Veterans Day, let"s reflect on the foresight, courage and sacrifices of our past leaders and
heroes and remember the courage and sacrifices of today"s Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, and
Coast Guardsmen, who are fighting for freedom and providing humanitarian relief at home and
overseas. We also need to remember their families and loved ones who stand by their side and
support them as they defend our country. Whether attending a parade, a memorial service or
observing the day in private, please reflect upon and mark this occasion by saying "Thank you," to our
veterans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 11/07/2007
- bija I'm a Fan of bija 5 fans permalink

I'm beginning to believe that both parties are equally bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 11/07/2007
- esquire07 I'm a Fan of esquire07 25 fans permalink

With shitbag Congresswomen, like Susan David D-CA, Bush will get his blood money soon enough.

Democratic cowards, like Susan Davis, have sold out the Constituion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/07/2007
- dax49 I'm a Fan of dax49 18 fans permalink

let's hope they finally grow a pair, after the american people were betrayed by schumer and feinstein i'm getting my hopes up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 11/07/2007
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 171 fans permalink
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"Staff for Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not follow up with the Huffington Post on what the Democratic leadership's plan would be for the bridge funding."
That's because there is no leadership. Dems are scared sensless into cutting funding for what is now their war too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 11/07/2007
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

You people who keep trying to make excuses for the democrats act like the rest of us dont know how the fucking congress works. DO you really think people are pissed off because they just have not grasped the dynamics of the control of congressional seats???? Get a fucking brain, then use that shit. We know how this shit works, we know what mechanism and powers congress has, we know many if not all of the procedural tricks and ploys congress has at its disposal, of which both the minority and majority party can access.
Stop defending the root of the problem.
We always knew what Bushcorp was, he has never been capable of lying to us, from jump we have never believed a word that came out of his mouth.
Democrats on the other hand are the real liars.

Fuck them in every way possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 11/07/2007
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

Still laughing. Is there anybody left on earth who believes the democrats will block anything?
The democratic party is the biggest scam in the history of democratic based republics.
I am totally convinced that they aren't even a real political party. These people are in for a big surprise come 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 11/07/2007
- peterg76 I'm a Fan of peterg76 30 fans permalink
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Let's not be all harsh on the Democrats while they're still in discussion. After all their cowardly betrayal, I know it's hard not to feel utter contempt for the Democrats, but at this point even pathetic vascillating is cause to be supportive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 11/07/2007
- avergejoe I'm a Fan of avergejoe 15 fans permalink

...for about as long as they held on to the no-bomb Iran proposal.

From HumanEvents 03/20/07:
For it was Pelosi who quietly agreed to strip out of the $100 billion funding bill for Iraq a provision that would have required President Bush to seek congressional approval before launching any new war on Iran.
Why did Pelosi capitulate? Answer: She was "under pressure from some conservative members of her caucus, and from lobbyists associated with neoconservative groups that want war with Iran and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC),"
"Last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi received a smattering of boos when she bad-mouthed the war effort during a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and the Democratic leadership, responding to concerns from pro-Israel lawmakers, was forced to strip from a military appropriations measure a provision meant to weaken President Bush's ability to respond to threats from Iran."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 11/07/2007
- GH I'm a Fan of GH 9 fans permalink

Does this mean that Murtha, on of the biggest pork spenders in history, blocked money to his own corporate sponsors?

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill... Murtha's 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million, according to a database compiled by the watchdog organization Taxpayers for Common Sense..

Murtha's got it covered either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 11/07/2007
- RedRooster I'm a Fan of RedRooster 21 fans permalink

"Nobody can really pinpoint what the hell is going on..."
__________

Yes, it is painfully obvious after watching the televised Democratic fiasco in the House yesterday afternoon that in spite of being the majority party, Democrats apparently aren't really in control of much and really don't know "what the hell is going on".

The GOP kicked ass yesterday taking control of the process while Democrats stumbled all over themselves­...all of which left the Dems pathetically playing defense over a legislative item about which they had been forewarned.

In spite of Rep. Kucinich, making numerous public statements about his intention to introduce a priviledged motion to impeach the VP, the Dems seemed incapable of controlling the legislative agenda...t­hey seemed oblivious to what should have been a predictible GOP response.

Nancy should hire Tom Delay as her personal legislative director!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 11/07/2007

OH, PUHLEEEZZZE! Everyone on the planet knows, when push comes to shove, the Dems will cave. They are like beaten dogs, just cringing and moaning and afraid to stand on their four feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 11/07/2007
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