A Fox And Friends Thanksgiving: Kilmeade On "The Good Indians"

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First Posted: 11-19-07 01:28 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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In just a few short days, America will observe Thanksgiving, a celebration of the most successful border incursion by illegal immigrants in the history of North America, where pilgrims from fancy-pants Europe came to America to perform all of the work that the Native Americans weren't willing to do, like give each other smallpox and kill off their own culture. It's a day for Americans to gather, typically on the New Jersey Turnpike, and give an annual boost to all the people who foolishly thought they'd get rich making cranberry sauce.

By and large, this is a holiday that most Americans seem to have down, but Fox and Friends' Brian Kilmeade still doesn't think we know the true meaning of Thansgiving - and so he took to the airwaves today to tell the world about how the Pilgrims signed a "peace agreement" with "his favorite Indians." He seems to think that those Indians were something called the "Okawi" (they weren't: they were Wampanoag, also known as Patuxet), but that's beside the point. They were "the good Indians," Kilmeade says.

Yes. That's right. The "good" Indians. Wonder what they're thankful for this holiday season?

In just a few short days, America will observe Thanksgiving, a celebration of the most successful border incursion by illegal immigrants in the history of North America, where pilgrims from fancy-pant...
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- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

I guess the bad Indians were the ones who put up a fight against a genocidal campaign to exterminate them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 11/20/2007
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

According to Fox News, the "good Indians" were the ones who just died quickly witout making too much of a fuss about it.

The racist, sexist, homophobic banter that passes for commentary on Fox News would make a klansmen proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 11/20/2007
- mpgarr I'm a Fan of mpgarr 3 fans permalink

Someone on here said that native people like the term "Indian"--maybe that is true for some but not all if what the person said is correct.
The native folks I have dealt with---and I have some familial native connections by marriage along with friends and they tell me they sure as hell don't care for the term "indian"----they pretty much consider it comparable to the way Blacks feel about the "N Word"--they don't care much for Native American either--that is why I said "native peoples" in my previous post.
They also like the term "first peoples" too--when being referred to as a group--
The term "Indian" is a cultural insult--like when people of Eurpeaon descent say that they "discovered" this land---by the time the first Eurpoeans had arrived--native peoples had been living in this hemisphere for many thousands of years and had a vibrant, thriving society made up of many tribal groups and peoples with trade among them spreading from the Arctic to the tip of South America and from the Atlantic to Pacific Oceans--they did not need to be "discovered," "civilized" or any of the other things that white/euro culture forced upon them.
Life was not a nirvana in their world--but it was better for them in the times before being "discovered" than it was afterwards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 11/20/2007

We Europeans just came here for the jobs the Indians wouldn't do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 11/20/2007
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It is quite interesting to see so many people commenting here, people who have lost their souls, people who have no lives, no friends and see nothing good in the world. So they post comments filled with bad information, reveal themselves as ugly little animals without any dignity or value to society. The kings and queens of toilet paper morality.

Indians are still here. We have survived and will continue to survive the lies and cowardice of the people like many of those who have commented here. Almost all of you reveal that you know nothing, but somehow feel entitled to an opinion about the nothing you know, based upon the nothing that is obviously the content of your unhappy lives. Naturally, there are a few of you with some dignity and insight, so I am not speaking to you.

The Indian issue always brings cockroaches with vocabularies out into the light. It is like a reflex. This is a steadfastly racist culture, this American Culture. There are many of you commenting here that have obviously been damaged by life and you mistake the damage inside your souls as intelligence when in reality it is just the overflowing toilet that has become the mind of so many Americans.

It has failed to surprise the Indians that Americans who know so little about life, less about history, always overflow themselves with self-hatred when the question of the Indian history comes up. Good work. The life you see before you right now is your reward.

Ojibway Indian

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 11/20/2007

For a bunch that hates Fox you watch it a lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 11/20/2007
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White men at it again...fo­rked tongue and all.


That black and white picture of the Native Americans is heart wrenching.­..reminds me of "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee"; I've never been so moved by the collective persecution of a people...a­lmost as heart wrenching is James Agee's "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 11/19/2007
- BigBagel I'm a Fan of BigBagel 28 fans permalink
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I like the reference to the Hekawi Indians. The dopey blond thought the other idiot was reciting a historic fact when in fact he was referring to Agarn and O'Rourke's Indian business partners on F Troop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 11/19/2007
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 35 fans permalink
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Drop the immigration crap. The europeans played by the rules of the indians, If someone has what you want you take it, by whatever means you can. There were no boundries clearly marked or mappped out, and if for whatever reason you needed more territory you took it. Do not expect me to cry for the indians, as I for one bear no responsibility for what happened centuries before I was born. You either conquer the invaders, assimilate them, adapt to their ways or perish. History has myriad peoples that failed to do any of those things and have disappeared. Remember when it became possible the indians themselves wipe-out their rivals. Drop the "Lo the poor indian" garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 11/19/2007
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So when do the writers at FOX go on strike?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 11/19/2007

Did you see the WHOLE segment on FOX News this morning? Huffington post only gives you a very small fragment, as usual. If you had seen the whole thing, this would be a none-story. Huffington post ALWAYS plays on your ignorance this way. It's the only way Huffington post can look good. They don't want you to know the whole story. ANYONE can do this type of "reporting"! VERY unprofessional! Very "democrat" like of them!
P.S.- "FOX and Friends" are #1 in their time slot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 11/19/2007
- OxyCon I'm a Fan of OxyCon 4 fans permalink

The amusing thing about "Fox & Friends" is that Roger Ailes seems to think having three of the dumbest a-holes in the world on in the morning makes for good television.
He should have had "Fox & Friends" on during the "Half Hour News Hour", it would have been funny then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 11/19/2007
- ljsfolly I'm a Fan of ljsfolly 6 fans permalink

As are the majority of us born in the US I had a gnentic link to some of American Indian. I know the tribe my grandmother had genetically part of her but who knows of the other parts. We are all a blend of some sort. When history speaks to us it tells us more of so many of the American Indians killed/mis­-treated/a­ssimilated­/ made slaves all to the point of extinction of some. Thanksgiving has always confused me when we look at the coming to America as represented as coming to freedom for ourselves it means slavery for so many others. We should be glad we were freed from the type of slavery we as "white english/sc­ottish/Iri­sh etc" were but also we carry much blood on the hands of those who came to conquer the land and the peoples on it.I have come to think of it as my personal thanksgiving for my own personal reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 11/19/2007

The Pilgrims were Illegal Aliens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 11/19/2007
- TimN I'm a Fan of TimN 19 fans permalink

My father was one-quarter Huron (aka Wyandot). His father was one-half American Indian and bilingual, French and English. His grandfather, who migrated legally according to the laws of the time, spoke only French. My father, unlike his fair haired English/Welsh bride was sharp featured, had a dark complexion, and thick black hair. Growing up in Northern Maine he experienced prejudice for being both French and Indian, especially when he started dating Mom. Her dad, a border patrolman, often referred to the Canucks as "those greasy Frenchmen". Others commented on "those lazy Indians". But Pop had charm and smarts, and didn't let that stop him. He answered the call to service in WWII, later earned a commission and retired at the rank of Colonel in the US Army.

I'm proud of my heritage and have spent some time researching the history. The Huron, like all people, were a mix of contradictions. They were known to be loving parents, never striking their children. They were loyal allies, but to their enemies they were brutal. They would rarely offer quarter, and if given wouldn't hesitate to dishonor it. They employed torture routinely and often executed women and children. You see, Native Americans weren't the stereotypical children of nature some revisionists would have us believe. Before the arrival of Europeans they intermittently waged war and fostered peace amongst themselves. After the arrival of the Europeans they did the same, only to have their culture gradually worn down by foreign diseases and a more organized and technologically superior society. Sure Europeans committed atrocities, so did the Native Americans themselves, but there was no genocide, and no institutionalized plan for annihilation. Yes we should reflect on the wrongs, and strive to undo the unfairness and disparity that still exists. We should also offer thanksgiving for the wisdom of those Americans in the past (red and white) who ultimately strived to offer respect and acceptance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/19/2007
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