Biden On Immigration Politics: 'That's What White Boys Have Done For A Long Time, Bang People Against Each Other'

Associated Press   |  Mike Glover   |   December 3, 2007 10:29 AM


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The Democratic rivals courted urban liberals and racial minorities, both key to winning the nomination and the White House, by vowing to empower Americans on Saturday even as they struggled with an ice storm that scrambled a marathon campaign day....

...Biden also weighed into the immigration fight, saying it's time to stop pitting people against each other.

"Look that's what white boys have done for a long, long time, bang people against each other," said Biden. "Let's not let the established system play one against the other."

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- OhgReaTone See Profile I'm a Fan of OhgReaTone permalink

Senator Biden is correct again. The immigration debates of today completely ignore the history of immigration and of migration - during the dust bowl of the depression era California did not want Okies and Kansas to migrate there. Biden is right that we should keep a human face on these problems.
Ohg.
http://thefiresidepost.com/2007/10/30/where-is-woody-guthrie/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 12/04/2007
- MRb1000 See Profile I'm a Fan of MRb1000 permalink

Yeah if this were true and there is no change in America. Black people would still be waring chains. Native American would still be lock up on reservation with not rights. If America cannot move on beyond race our country will come to an end. Look at France!!!!!! Hope is always there if we lose hope we will lose our nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 12/04/2007
- Ginzaman See Profile I'm a Fan of Ginzaman permalink

While he's trying to make a point, in reality it won't go anywhere. Because he knows as well as the rest of us that the white power elite will literally fight you to the death before they'd give up any of their money and power. They'll never tolerate Obama being President. Now in 2007 I really wish that wasn't true. But you need to get past Obama's Kennedyeque rock star Oprah hype and get real. Why did Rove do the Willie Horton crap? Because the neocons will play the race card every single time. Why did so many Inside the Beltway Elite consistently show up on racist Don Imus's show? Becuase they didn't and still don't give a shit. As long as they make money, they don't care. Even when they were forced to actually try and talk about race, how long did that last? 10 minutes. When was the last time you saw any of the Black Congressional Caucus on TV before Imus got fired? You can't remember because THEY WERE NEVER allowed to be on. Lazy producers will always go with Jesse Jackson and Sharpton because they're safe. They'll never do/say anything stupid like criticize Israel.

If Biden were to tell the truth about race in America he'd be finished. The MSM will never tolerate it. Sad but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 12/04/2007
- Tellmethetruth See Profile I'm a Fan of Tellmethetruth permalink

While we are at it - Here is Joe Biden's statement today on Iran

BIDEN Issues Statement on National Intelligence Estimate


Washington, DC " Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE) issued the following statement today after the release of the National Intelligence Estimate:

"The conclusions of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran's nuclear intentions and capabilities are, figuratively speaking, explosive. Iran stopped its weapons-related work in 2003. And while it has resumed work on uranium enrichment, it is still at least several years away from producing the fissile material it would need for a nuclear weapon.

"This means that the international community has a significant window of opportunity in which to act to avoid the stark choice between going to war or accepting a nuclear Iran. But the Bush Administration has long lacked a comprehensive strategy to take advantage of this window. Instead of continuing its obsession with regime change and irresponsible talk of "World War III," we need a policy that focuses on conduct change. The NIE makes clear that the right combination of pressure and positive incentives could "prompt Tehran to extend the current halt to its nuclear weapons program."

"Working with our allies and partners, not acting alone, we must make it very clear to Iran what it risks in terms of isolation if it continues to defy the international community's demand that it stop enriching uranium. But we also have to be just as clear about what it stands to gain " in terms of economic benefits, security guarantees, integration into the region and diplomatic relations " if it does the right thing. We should communicate this in direct talks with Iran."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 12/04/2007
- Tellmethetruth See Profile I'm a Fan of Tellmethetruth permalink

Joe Biden's position on immigration is basically that the problem begins with Mexico whihc is the 2nd wealthiest country in the Western Hemipshere other than the US. Mexico is the 6th largest producer of oil in the world, yet it's people are some of the poorest. The problem is the economic distribution of wealth, only a handful of people have the wealth leaving 99% of the population in poverty. This is why the people will risk life to come to the US, work jobs other people in the US won't do, for unjust wages and no benefits. It is better than starving in Mexico. The problem for the United States will not end until Mexico has a system of just economic distribution of that nation's wealth. Until then, nothing the US can do, walls, fences, etc will stop these people from coming into ours. Unless their standard of living is raised to become EQUAL with the standard of living of US citizen, then they will remain in Mexico. This is the first phase of fixing the problem which would happen through negotiations with the government of Mexico. We can put economic pressure on Mexico to change.

Then you can look at the people in the US, and if working conditions are improved in Mexico, many might just leave. But, we cannot solve the problem until we stop the bleeding. No one else of the other candidates have looked at immigration in such depth and as a win win - win for the peoples of Mexico and Mexican descent, and win the people of the US.

Others use the language of hate and bigotry, and thank God, Biden uses the language of compassion and calls racism, racism. He tells it like it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 12/04/2007
- Wolfgang See Profile I'm a Fan of Wolfgang permalink

The latest Gallup and Zogby polls show Biden getting 2% of the Democratic vote. I think he just lost half of that amount with his his latest foot in mouth gaffe.Maybe he can try for zero percent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 12/03/2007
- milo9 See Profile I'm a Fan of milo9 permalink

The dems should adopt a policy something like this: We're for securing the borders, sanctioning employers who hire illegal immigrants, and in regularizing the undocumented people who have deep roots in this country. The end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 12/03/2007
- realitytrumpsbull See Profile I'm a Fan of realitytrumpsbull permalink

Well, Joe, you're a 'white boy', so what,
exactly, does that say about YOU, sir?

Pots and kettles and all that...is it any
wonder that China successfully graduates
more engineers than we do? My view is, China
will EAT the planet. People like Biden will
be little postage-stamp-sized pictures in
the chinese-english dictionary next to
'incompetent', or 'neo-Tory', something like
that. Then, they'll recycle the dictionary,
and make firecrackers out of it.

I grew up in a polyglot, polyethnic, polytheistic environment, and I've come to
the conclusion that some people are just
plain flat stupid, but somehow, they get
elected or promoted anyway due to F.B.C.I
(friends, buddies, cousins, and in-laws).

I do NOT judge Mr. Biden to be either competent
OR a good candidate. Got any, um, mexican
housekeepers, Mr. Biden? Let's see those
fingernails...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 12/03/2007
- HatingTheGame See Profile I'm a Fan of HatingTheGame permalink

Biden has always interested me, but I can't get out of my mind that he spearheaded the punative bankruptcy bill in 2005 (championed by the credit card companies) which made it harder for Americans to declare Chapter 7 protections, and he fought against amendments that would have lessed the impact of rapatious, mafia like usury charges by credit card companies (just in time for the subprime crisis hurting millions of Americans). MBNA is a Deleware company in Biden's state.

Joe can talk jive, but when it comes to protecting everyday folk, he's not all dat.

http://www.pacificviews.org/weblog/archives/000966.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/6/63144/06015

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 12/03/2007
- THEUNHEARDVOICE See Profile I'm a Fan of THEUNHEARDVOICE permalink

I'm happy at this moment that Biden had the Ball's to say what i've believed all of my Black Life.K.K.K THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE AS LONG AS WE BLACK MEN ARE THE WARRIOR THEY WANT TO BE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 12/03/2007
- zendem1 See Profile I'm a Fan of zendem1 permalink

Joe wasn't this vocal back when he chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee, and he allowed Orrin Hatch and the rest of those gangsters to pound the hell out of Anita Hill. Despite the fact that they had evidence that Clarence Thomas visited a porn rental video store regularly, as well as other witnesses corroborating Ms Hill's story.Ol Joe and the rest of those wussy Democrats just sat back and took it like a scene from "Deliverance." Shut up Joe, you old gasbag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 12/03/2007
- NYCIC See Profile I'm a Fan of NYCIC permalink

Day-um, Biden's going gangsta. This has some of the flava' of that remark made by Andrew Young back in the eighties about smart-ass white boys thinking they know everything. I like Joe. Always have. In spite of his being wrong on the occasional issue, or his love of his own voice. And I'm actually sorry his presidential moment seems to have passed. But you know, given the chance to share a booth in a pub with, Joe would be my first choice. For certain, he knows where all the bodies are buried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 12/03/2007
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