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Dems Considering Proposals That Would Quietly Fund Iraq War

December 7, 2007 10:37 AM


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Some House Democratic leaders are considering plans to quietly fund the Iraq war while trying to minimize the political fall-out.

One of the latest proposals under discussion involves putting $30 billion in a nearly-completed omnibus spending bill that would be earmarked for the war in Afghanistan, but could freely be used for operations in Iraq.

According to Hill sources, Rep. David Obey, D-WI, who chairs the House Appropriations Committee, initially pushed the Afghanistan funding idea. Top House Democrats Steny Hoyer (D-MD) is said to support the idea, while Speaker Nancy Pelosi has argued against it. But in an interview on Thursday, she acknowledged that "there probably will be some level of [money] addressing Afghanistan" in the omnibus.

"Democratic leadership is considering this as a way to get the White House off their backs," said one Hill staffer with knowledge of the legislative proposal. "If the money isn't required to go only to Afghanistan then the president is going to do with it what he pleases."

Among Democrats who favor a less confrontational approach with the White House, the idea is highly regarded for several reasons: Democrats will be funding what is perceived within the party as "the good war," while also preempting White House criticism that the Pentagon is being strapped for cash.

Critics describe it as another capitulation to President Bush, in the face of consistent and strong opposition to the war among the majority of Americans.

The Afghanistan funding proposal is not set in stone, and creative thinking is abound. Democratic lawmakers have thrown around the idea of linking specific funding levels to achievements by the Iraqi government, and of using war funds as leverage to get more money for domestic programs. They've even theorized ways of tying Iraq money to the reigning in of war profiteering.

But the problem, they note, is far greater than this one funding battle. Democrats simply believe they lack a mechanism for bringing the war to a halt.

"The problem you ultimately run into is where do you go from here? What's our endgame?" said an aide to a high-ranking Democratic congressman. "Even if we wait till the next president it is still going to take a year and half to get our troops out."

If Democrats proceed in attaching war funds - whether for Iraq, Afghanistan or both - to the omnibus spending bill, leadership will have increased its chances of circumventing a presidential veto. The omnibus includes budgets for eleven federal agencies. The President would be risking political backlash if he chose to forgo it in favor of a less cohesive continuing resolution. He may not even have the votes to do so. But attaching war funds to the omnibus also would require the Democrats to abandon the idea of a date certain withdrawal (or a goal to that effect) of troops from Iraq.

Currently, Congress and the White House are at a deadlock over how to fund the war. President Bush has asked for a $196 billion supplemental. Democratic leaders in the House and Senate responded with a $50 billion measure that had the goal of troop withdrawals by 2008. The line in the sand has yet to be crossed, though Democrats acknowledge feeling the heat.

"There is a lot of pressure from certain segments of the caucus to go ahead and advance the funding, " said a senior Democrat adviser. "The hope is that by doing something like this, it will buy us time with the President... The question is how long can we continue that going forward."

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CONSUMPTION BOYCOTT NOW

We can stop the Occupation of Iraq, by reducing your personal spending and letting it be known why.

Eliminate your unnecessary spending for-- Movies, $4.00 coffees, newspapers, magazines, non-essential items, vacations, new cars, electronics, hotels, entertainment, restaurants, reduce driving, etc. Create a goal of cutting $100/week from your budget and telling people why.

If you must spend, avoid corporate stores. If you are able to buy something from a small vendor, do it. If you are able to do without, don"t buy it. Find hobbies other than consuming.

If everyone reduced their spending in all areas, until our troops were brought HOME (not re-deployed within the Middle East) the economic impact would put enormous pressure onto the banking-mortgage-insurance system to stop the war.

Your benefit
Take the money which you will save and use it to pay off credit cards, mortgages, existing car loans, college loans or to build a nest egg. If 10% of the population (30,000,000) could stop spending $100.00 a week and put it towards existing debt without acquiring more, it would take $3,000,000,000.00 A WEEK off of the banker"s books.

Be a patriot and QUIT CONSUMING in order to bring our troops home from this illegal occupation NOW. If 10% of us do it, we can make a change in this world. The power rests with you, share this idea. CONSERVE.

What other ideas do you have for conservation and reducing spending?
How can you let people know what you are doing and why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 12/08/2007

So its official then??? The Republicans are a bunch of assholes, most of which never served a day in their miserable lives and the Democrats just plainly have no ball???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 12/08/2007

"I smell Feinstein"
"Smells alot like Lieberman"
I smell Schumer"
Ah yes, money well spent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 12/08/2007
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This should not, must not happen. I will vote for my cat if the Dems cave on their commitments to the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 12/07/2007

When is enough going to be enough from these useless Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 12/07/2007

Now that the Democrats are preparing to stab you and our soldiers in the back again by giving the liar-in-chief another blank check, you can ask yourself, "have I had enough?"

If the answer is yes, you have an altnerative.

Vote Green Party. www.gp.org

Throw out your Democratic member of Congress. They've done NOTHING to earn your loyalty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 12/07/2007

Any presidential candidate who votes for backing down... or even worse... doesn't vote... can kiss my vote goodbye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 12/07/2007

My suggestion for the allegedly good-faith (I have my doubts) Democratic party leadership, about a way forward out of Iraq:

Focus on DEMOCRACY: In IRAQ. Unless you happen to agree with the administration's current plan to maintain the new American Oil Colony of Iraq for the indefinite future, tie any future U.S. taxpayer debt for that maintenance to a new and explicit request, and majority vote of approval, for a continued American presence from the ELECTED Iraqi parliament. By a specified, near-term date (the parliament will next convene on December 30th), unless the parliament votes to ask for an extension.

Congress and the media do know, I HOPE (despite their refusal to tell the public about it), that the 'civil war' in Iraq is between NATIONALISTS and SEPARATISTS (not all that different from our own civil war, except that we artificially instigated Iraq's), and NOT, as the cover story has it, primarily between and among sects. The motivation and complication in Iraq, rather than slavery, is OIL riches, and the resulting intervention in Iraqi affairs of the AMERICAN ARMED FORCES in pursuit of that wealth on behalf of foreign interests. Our occupying army HAS taken sides - by way of the support we provide to the APPOINTED, and corrupt Green Zone Iraqi "leaders" and ministers who are all separatists, whereas the unprotected ELECTED Iraqi parliament has a majority of NATIONALISTS who, in line with the majority will of the Iraqi PEOPLE, want US OUT:

Http://alternet.org/story/67383

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 12/07/2007

As with our own democracy, there is no nay-saying democratic will and democratic process. IF our Congress would stand with the Iraqi people and their parliament, in opposition to the Pentagon's plan to disintegrate Iraq into provinces (the "bottom up" Petraeus/Crocker strategy) in order to endrun the national parliament which refuses to knuckle under to American threats, the media would be FORCED, finally, to report some truth about Iraq, and what its PEOPLE want. Which just happens to be what the AMERICAN people want, as well: the end of our rule over Iraq against its people's will.

The Iraqi parliament has successfully blocked the American plan to privatize Iraqi oil, and is trying to block an extension of the U.N. "mandate" for us to be in Iraq. That besieged body has done more to end our occupation of Iraq than the U.S. Congress has. I wonder why...

GOOD FAITH Members of Congress would speak up on behalf of nascent democracy ("self-government") in Iraq, and countermand Pentagon propaganda about the puppet Green Zone Iraqi cabinet that it pretends to criticize for a lack of "political reconciliation" while simultaneously forcing those puppets to do the bidding of their American protectors. Nancy Pelosi is right this time - she needs to stand her ground against less-principled members of both political parties. And Pelosi's legislative counterparts - Kurd, Sunni, and Shi'ite alike - in the Iraqi parliament are showing her and all democracy-lovers in our Congress the way to do just that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 12/07/2007

...."How far can we continue that..."

For just about as long as it takes for the public to find out the democrats have caved again.

Didja see Cheney? NOW he says Iraq will be independent by 2009....how convenient....

Didja see the headlines? Military families are abandoning Bush....they want their loved ones out of the killing fields too...

Democrats just have to stick tight and do nothing..nothing...nothing...about funding anyting...can't get enough votes to defeat it, then don't bring it up...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 12/07/2007
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Cowards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 12/07/2007

Anyone who votes to give bush more money for Iraq MUST be voted out of office. That's where my money will go - to groups fighting to kill the political careers of these traitors, whether Dems or Pukes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 12/07/2007

Senior Democrat adviser: "The hope is that by doing something like this, it will buy us time with the President."

That explains his wearing a leash and collar while giving that quote. King Georgie says, "Mush, bitch! Mush!" and the Demadogs take him wherever he wants to go. Do these people have no shame at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 12/07/2007

Hey, Dems. The way to "get the white house off your backs"

is Impeachment!

Watch the rethugs scramble then!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 12/07/2007

Call it what it is; another blank check for Bushieboy!!

I don't care if it's $10 million or billion; or $30 billion!
Label it for use in Afghanistan and leave it at that. This is sneaky bullshit, and we're sick of the Dems caving in to Bush!!!

GET OUT OF IRAQ!!!

We could do it while the Iraqi Parliament is taking another one month break...wouldn't it be hilarious if they came back in January, and the American troops were all gone!!!
(I know it can't happen that fast, but it just struck me funny!!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 12/07/2007
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