WHERE'S DENDROICA ? ? ?

TOSHIBA ANNOUCES BATTTERY TO CHARGE IN 5 MINUTES TO 90%.

YOU ATE IT DENDROICA !

Yahoo !
Toshiba to ship new rechargeable battery
By YURI KAGEYAMA, AP Business Writer Wed Dec 12, 12:23 PM ET

Need to put this on top.

To charge this system in 15 minutes, you'd need a half-million watts of AC power.

In that small an area, it would act as a massive 60 Hz broadcast antenna. You'd fry the car's very expensive electronics. And more than likely, the "gas" station's pumps.

And god forbid something goes wrong... I wouldn't want to be in that car, that much energy, is the equivalent of several dozen sticks of dynamite. There was a guy who died a few weeks ago when his cell phone battery exploded, this would be nuclear in comparison.

Dendroica ... for you

Vehicle design can get us ranges in excess of 300 miles per charge and charging will only take a few minutes for advanced batteries and 15 minutes for lead acid. Say goodbye to the 8 hour charge.

http://www.evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm?page=blogentry&authorid=46&blogid=97&archive=1

Beats the hell out of fuel cellls now doesn't it !

The Honda you didn't hear about !

A Honda Civic for the age of global warming!

Think City will go about 112 miles (180 kilometers) on a single charge.Top speed 62 MPH. It"s zippy, fun to drive and could well be the Honda Civic for the age of global warming.U.S. sticker price of $15,000 to $17,000.

http://greenwombat.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/12/10/a-honda-civic-for-the-age-of-global-warming/

Of course as battery tech gets better speed and distance will get better.

The US needs to lower the speed limits on metro freeways and city thoroughfares and streets to 45-30-20MPH respectively. This would accomplish three goals 1. better mileage, 2. fewer accidents, 3.less infrastructure wear, 4. smaller vehicles.

Hydrogen cars are a Hoax foisted on the American people.

Wiki -

" It is also important to take losses due to production, transportation, and storage into account. Fuel cell vehicles running on compressed hydrogen may have a power-plant-to-wheel efficiency of 22% if the hydrogen is stored as high-pressure gas, and 17% if it is stored as liquid hydrogen."

Batteries and Supercapacitors -

Wiki -

"The nickel cadmium and nickel metal-hydride designs have efficiencies of around 66%.[46] However, modern lithium designs have almost negated this wastage as they can have efficiencies of around 99%."

And the coming supercapacitors will have more than a 95% effficiency!

["I wonder if this one will be like the other enviro cars that have a more negative affect on the environment than a Hummer"]


Ya, those Hummers sure are tough.

http://www.car-accidents.com/2007-auto-crash-story/11-7-07-hummer-crash-pic-2.html


Mahahahaha.

Sadly we now have to get the innovative stuff from the Japanese, not this country-we hem and haw and nickel and dime and debate (per the comments) while 'Rome burns'. Japanese say screw you all we're goin for it and you'll all be left in the dust.
Saw the prototype at the auto show a few years back and saw this 'working' one at the recent LA Auto Show-nice lookin car. And what did the US (AKA GM Ford et al) offer at the show their usual gas guzzling SUVS and trucks-sadly it's typical.

Need to highlight one of my posts, with some "work".

It is roughly 1.34 horsepower per kilowatt.

Your average vehicle, has nearly 200HP. Let's go very high efficiency, very low Cd, with really fantastically low-friction tires. You'll need about 40HP to do 55 on the highway, that's nearly 30 kilowatts. Now discounting acceleration, and assuming almost perfect regenerative braking, and that means to do 220 miles (4 hours of driving) you need to deliver 30,000 watts, x 4 hours of driving, or 120,000 watt/hours.

So you have to pump into your battery, 120,000W/H. If you have household current, at a very, very high 50amp, 240VAC service, you are capable of delivering 50*240, or 12,000 watts of power, with 100% efficiency (and no DC supply in the universe is that efficient).

120,000 watt/hours of power, to either a battery, or a supercap, delivered at a rate of 12,000 watts/hour, still takes at the very least, 10 hours. And every single one of these calculations, requires an unreachable level of efficiency. Unless we go to very, very small cars, with very, very small batteries, this can't be done in reasonable time.

RE: Hydrogen vs. Electricity

First, we have a hydrogen infrastructure. Hydrogen is pumped into nearly every home in the U.S. in a safe, stable form called water. Splitting it into hydrogen and oxygen requires electricity, which is also available across the country. What we don't have is a widespread efficient means of splitting that water and collecting the hydrogen. That breakthrough would settle the issues of delivery and centralized control. That said, there are people who produce their own hydrogen for fuel, so it's really just the mainstream breakthrough that is needed.

Second, electric cars take too long to charge. Many people living in apartments, condos, and townhouses cannot simply pull into a garage and plug in their cars. Even if you do have a garage, an electric car can only take you so far before needing to recharge for hours. That means restricted trips out of town and limited flexibility for emergencies. This will change when nanotech batteries become available, but right now they are experimental while hydrogen fuel cells exist for commercial use.

All that said, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are essentially electric cars with fuel cells instead of batteries. When better batteries come along, they could conceivably be swapped with fuel cells or vice versa. Or we could have cars equipped with both in order to balance their drawbacks. But bottom line: same cars, different power supplies. Advancement in either is an advancement for both.

Arrived? Hydrogen cars have always been here! You can modify the gasoline car in your driveway to run on hydrogen with relative ease.
The main problem with hydrogen cars is that hydrogen is an energy sink not an energy source,you are much better off using an electric car given that you are committed to using cars, which I think is in itself a big mistake.

I wonder if this one will be like the other enviro cars that have a more negative affect on the environment than a Hummer, yet the enviro wackos think they are doing good when they buy one?

Fuel cells are a hoax on the American people.

The EV or electric vehicle is the cheapest and most efficient form of transportation and with new technology in battteries and capacitors they will far outperform fuel cells on price to buy and to operate.

The fuel cell economy is all about big business keeping its' hand on your wallet.

Yep , fuel cells , a hoax on the American people. High cost and no infrastructure.

Electric cars are far more efficient and can be charged at home. As a previous poster has already said this is cetralization for the powers that be.

With new supercapacitors on the horizon electric cars will be able to be recharged very quickly. These new ultra or supercapacitors have a 95% or better efficiency rate.

and, don't even get me started about hydrogen being the new oil, just another centralized control scheme.

they've been sitting on their duffs because, there is no infrastructure in place to deliver hydrogen and because, of questions in how it's produced and because, of problems with storage, it's small molecules are hard to contain. hydrogen is not a power source, it's a storage medium and not a particularly good one. why convert electricity to hydrogen and haul it all over the place just to convert it back to electricity. we have the infrastructure in place already to charge batteries and/or ultra capacitors, it's called your wall plug.