Giuliani Feeling The Heat Over 9/11 Radios

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First Posted: 12-24-07 12:18 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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By now, it is fairly well known that on 9/11 the New York City Fire Department's radios simply did not work. In fact, it was the same exact equipment that had malfunctioned in the 1993 attacks on the World Trade Center. Robert Greenwald and Brave New Films have the most definitive summary of this.

The fact that no radio upgrade was made in the eight-year interim is something of an albatross for Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, considering he was mayor of the New York during that very time period.

And on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos the topic came up yet again. Only this time, Giuliani absolved himself by claiming it would have been "impossible" to give the FDNY working radios.

STEPHANOPOULOS: They make two main charges. Number one, that those firefighters in the north tower, many of them lost their lives because their radios didn't work. They also say you ended the recovery efforts too soon.

GIULIANI: Well, the radios that you're talking about weren't put online for three, four, five years after. So, it would have been impossible for me to have those radios ready. It took the city two or three more years...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But they had malfunctioned in 1993.

GIULIANI: But even with the new equipment, it took another two or three years for those radios to be put online. So it would have been impossible for us to have gotten them online before that, given the fact that it took so long afterwards.

Ok. So, Giuliani seems to be saying that after the city purchased the new equipment, it took at least three years for it to be operational. Hence, the FDNY could never have gotten the new radios in time anyways and Giuliani deserves no blame.

Of course, there were eight years between the two attacks on the Twin Towers. Whatever.

But according to Wayne Barrett's book "Grand Illusion", the real problem was not that there wasn't enough time to make the radios operational. Pre-bidding conferences were being held in 1997 after all. Rather, the problem was that the city was blindly dependent on Motorola to outfit the FDNY with the most modern version, even if it took longer (which it did) and the equipment was untested (which it was). As Barrett, a Giuliani critic, writes:

Under Giuliani's watch, the Fire Department had tried to equip its firefighters with portable radios from Motorola that didn't actually exist when the FDNY took the first steps to order them. The radios were so 'undeveloped' according to a subsequent investigation, that the company didn't even put them on its sales list until months after the order was placed in 1999. When the biggest potential fire department customer in America asked for samples, Motorola couldn't send them even a preproduction model for three months. It took three years for Motorola and the department to actually put the first of the 3,818 new radios in a firefighter's hands. Then they boomeranged instantly, failing to communicate a half dozen 'maydays' from a trapped firefighter.

Unlike the handie-talkies the Fire Department had used since the 1960s, these new digital radios, the XTS 3500R, were actually computers that turned the familiar real-life voices of firefighters into urgency-deaf monotones that had a prerecorded and often indecipherable quality to them. No large fire department in this country or anywhere else had or would ever purchase them. The contract for them appeared so wired that only one other company, General Electric/Ericson, showed up at the 1997 pre-bid conference, and FDNY officials decided it was ineligible to participate.

GE/Ericsson's protest letter to city officials, including Giuliani himself, went unanswered. Warren Stogner, the salesman for Ericsson, charged in the letter that "only Motorola can meet the specifications" because language in the bid specified their product and required radio features proprietary to the company. No one heard him then, but years later, Alan Hevesi, the independently elected city comptroller, examined the process and concluded that there was "a willful attempt to circumvent the contract system," withholding over $8 million still due to Motorola. Tom Von Essen, the commissioner who issued the XTS 3500s, was forced by the unheard 'maydays' to pull them out of the firehouses and conceded that there were 'problems' with them that had to be corrected. Yet Giuliani attacked the motives of the Democratic comptroller as 'political,' defended his friend and commissioner, called the radios 'state of the art,' and insisted there was nothing irregular about the contract.

By now, it is fairly well known that on 9/11 the New York City Fire Department's radios simply did not work. In fact, it was the same exact equipment that had malfunctioned in the 1993 attacks on the ...
By now, it is fairly well known that on 9/11 the New York City Fire Department's radios simply did not work. In fact, it was the same exact equipment that had malfunctioned in the 1993 attacks on the ...
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Hey, let's focus on the REAL issues of a Rudy presidency: Do we want to watch a four-year rerun of the SOPRANOS? Do we want Rudy and his bimbo representing the already-tarnished US? Can we stand looking at his cadaverous face for four years? The man is way too ugly to be president, even now after eight years of way-too-stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 12/26/2007

On September 11th, Ghouliani indicated to Peter Jennings that he had been warned about the collapse of the World Trade Center Tower BEFORE it collapsed. Yes, it would seem that his communication system worked (however, it didn't for the fire fighters who were trapped in the towers).

Should you wish to see the video for yourself, you can find it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNtvOKdjsE



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 12/25/2007
- bushmocker I'm a Fan of bushmocker 7 fans permalink

It's hard to believe there are people that take this guy seriously,but in his defense,I thought the same about Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 12/25/2007

Leave it to Rudi and the Republican mob to put the safety and welfare of the people who protect us behind turning a profit for corporate America. This guy is a liar and a thief and he is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the deaths of every Fireman and Police Officer who died on 9/11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 12/25/2007

Il Duce says: I shmell toasht, Nope, thatsh my pantsh on fire!!! AAAAGGGGHHHH!! Jack Out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 12/25/2007
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I said from day one, "When the NYC police and fire personnel are against Rudy, Americans need to pay attention." Americans get it. It may take time, but they get it. They know that Rudy is to the far, far right of W.

The repub. candidates are:
nasty, nastier, nastiest
mean, meaner, meanest
crazy, crasier, craziest
phony, phonier, phoniest

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 12/25/2007
- gregrocker I'm a Fan of gregrocker 7 fans permalink

Fortunately our lord and savior has made it clear now who he wants to be Preznit and Rudy's services are no longer required from the GOP. He can go back to milking 9/11 for million dollar contracts.

Urbane sophisticates who read HuffPo need to get a grip that at least half of this country are willfully ignorant rednecks, willing to vote against their own interests just to stick it to libruls, and because the words are too big.

Walter Cronkite himself - the only man ever deemed "most trusted man in America" - pronounced our democracy dead after the 2004 election, saying we no longer had the critical reasoning capacity to choose wisely between an overqualified candidate and a transparent nitwit.

There is no way out of this morass except to RUN AGAINST THE PREENING HICK IGNORAMUSES of the south and midwest, hoping to trigger an avalanche of new younger voters who will redeem the most corrupt government in history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 12/25/2007
- frost12 I'm a Fan of frost12 9 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 12/25/2007
- frost12 I'm a Fan of frost12 9 fans permalink

You can't shine SH-T.
It's that simple.
Case closed.
That's all she wrote.
Nada.
Period.
Enough.
Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 12/25/2007
- kroses98 I'm a Fan of kroses98 13 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 12/25/2007
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Why is it that every time I see Giuliani speak, I'm overcome with the need to scrub myself raw in the shower? The man seems capable of nothing but one misrepresentation, excuse and outright lie after another.

The fact that he's still a viable candidate for nomination proves the Republicans didn't finish scraping the bottom of the barrel when they vomited up the moronic thug currently inhabiting the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 12/25/2007

Guliani sure doesn't sound very Republican when he doesn't have any personal accountability. More of the Republican Famil..I mean Fascist Values!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 12/25/2007

Rudy feeling the heat..?..What you mean he's in Hell???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 12/25/2007
- genseric I'm a Fan of genseric 2 fans permalink

I'm a Ron Paul supporter but I will play devil's advocate on this one. #1 the department being physically placed in the WTC is not complicated. It's part of a political process to put guarenteed, high visibility tenants there. Rudy is only a big cog but still just a cog in the wheel on that decision making process. #2 radios, I think this is just after the fact quibbling. The 2 WTC buildings got creamed in this attack. Better radios would help but come on, the damage is already done. "Under Giuliani's watch, the Fire Department had tried to equip its firefighters with portable radios from Motorola". According to this statement, can you really blame Guiliani for this. Remember also that Motorola is an old American builder of 2-way radios, our most famous radio company. We all know that every city, state and federal contract has political strings. Sounds like the Fire Dept. dropped the ball on the radios.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 12/25/2007
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Hasn't JulieAnnie dropped out YET?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 12/24/2007
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