Obama And Clinton Delicately Spar In Wake Of Bhutto's Death

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First Posted: 12-27-07 04:38 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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The early expressions of sorrow over the assassination of former Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto on Thursday morning turned into delicate and carefully-worded political posturing between the presidential campaigns on Thursday afternoon.

The suicide attack, which occurred at an election rally in Pakistan, was seized upon by several members of the Republican field to stress national security credentials in times of terrorism. Sen. Barack Obama's campaign, however, used Bhutto's death as a way to draw foreign policy distinctions between himself and his chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Clinton.

"Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome," said the Illinois Democrat's chief strategist, David Axelrod. "Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved - we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this. I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion."

Alexrod went on:

The Clinton campaign was quick to respond:

"This is a time to be focused on the tragedy of the situation, its implications for the U.S. and the world, and to be concerned for the people of Pakistan and the country's stability," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said in a statement. "No one should be politicizing this situation with baseless allegations."

The back-and-forth between the campaigns underscored the heightened pitch of presidential politics and the various frames through which candidates are now addressing foreign policy and national security issues. Following Bhutto's death, the Obama campaign, sought to make the argument that the assassination was an indictment of President Bush's policies in Iraq, which, they claimed, had distracted the United States' attention from more pressing needs in the war on terror. Senator Clinton, they pointed out had voted for those policies.

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"It's hard to judge the political significance at this point," said Robert Gibbs, the communications director for Sen. Barack Obama. "If this ultimately turns back to a discussion of foreign policy, I think we are well-suited...The next commander in chief has to have the judgment to deal with it."

Sen. Clinton's campaign took umbrage with the insinuation that Bhutto's death could be traced to the Senator's vote, but only in private. In public they asserted that, if anything, the terrorist attack proved the need for a more experienced hand in the White House.

"I am profoundly saddened and outraged by the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, a leader of tremendous political and personal courage. I came to know Mrs. Bhutto over many years, during her tenures as Prime Minister and during her years in exile," Clinton said, "it certainly raises the stakes high for what we expect from our next president. I know from a lifetime of working to make change."

Sen. Evan Bayh, a Clinton surrogate, took the line of reasoning even further, suggesting that in a general election, Republicans would be able to paint candidates other than Clinton as weak on national security. "When there are unfortunate calamities like this, the Republicans [will say], 'See. See what we told you? We have to have someone who's strong to defend America at a time of concern.' Well, Senator Clinton is strong," he said. "And she's experienced. And she's tough enough to defend this country and do it in a way that's true to our values, the civil liberties we cherish, and that's one of the reasons why I'm supporting her."

The Obama campaign declined to comment on Bayh or Singer's statement, pointing the Huffington Post back to Axelrod's initial remarks.

The early expressions of sorrow over the assassination of former Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto on Thursday morning turned into delicate and carefully-worded political posturing between the president...
The early expressions of sorrow over the assassination of former Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto on Thursday morning turned into delicate and carefully-worded political posturing between the president...
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- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

Here is a slice of what the Clinton administration brought the country and the world, how much more of this are we support to take from these experienced candidates. There is an elephant in the room people and it can’t be ignored anymore, I fully expect candidates to be addressing this and soon, the Republicans will. Here is how the Clinton administration was complicit in aiding Pakistan in developing nuclear weapons.

How clear was Bill Clinton’s judgment when he stood idly by and watched Pakistan, an unstable government, and allowed them to develop nuclear weapons and guided missiles. Much of it developed with American technology, this is a crime against America and the world that President Bill Clinton has visited upon us.

Where was your judgment when Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons, Bill Clinton.

Where was your judgment when Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons, Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 12/28/2007

I say bullwicky!

George W. Bush has been surrounded by ‘years’ of this so-called EXPERIENCED personnel and look where they’ve taken us. President Bush himself has now had over 7 years of foreign policy experience and look at the mistakes he continues to make on a daily basis.

Experience is sort of like education. It’s nice to have, you can always say, “Been there, Done That”; but most likely, you’ll never use or you will forget the training and lessons you were given.

Just to show you how experience can and cannot help you. Governor Richardson said today after hearing about Bhutto’s death, that Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf should immediately step down from his office. On Countdown, Chris Dodd, said this would be a terrible mistake. We should remember that Pakistan has nuclear capability – it would be very dangerous to ask Musharraf to step down, not knowing at this time who would replace him. Dodd also recommended that the upcoming election be postponed in Pakistan to allow the Bhutto party to regroup. President Bush said the opposite, he wants the election continue. These three men have decades of experience. Who’s right?

Some of our most famous American’s never experience war but ended up being some of our national heroes. Some never had experience in a political office, but ended up performing some pretty fantasic maneuvers while in office.

To get down and dirty, I’ve seen some pretty ‘experienced’ parents really screw up on the parenting of their kids and grandkids.

What the man or woman has as a vision for America and her fellow allies around the world, what they feel in their hearts is the right course to take, how they approach a problem (with careful thought instead of hate or fear) and their past judgements – along with what experiences they had over the years – are the true things to look at.

Even Voters must have ‘all of the above’ to make the right decisions on voting day. Nobody is perfect or has all the answers.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 12/28/2007
- bach I'm a Fan of bach permalink

There's nothing delicate about Obama's sparring. He comes off looking like he has two left feet. I'm really beginning to wonder about him. I thought his speech at the Democratic National Convention was inspiring. But I also thought Bush after 911 was inspiring too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 12/28/2007

Obama has a bigger problem in Iowa and that is the Orange Bowl starting just at Caucus Time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 12/28/2007
- bacaangel I'm a Fan of bacaangel 2 fans permalink

In the most imporant Policy Decision of our times, the Iraq War, Hillary Clinton got it WRONG! -- therefore I go with the man whom from the beginning had the wisdom and judgment to say No to Bush, No, to the Iraq War, and yes to President Barack Obama. At this critical time in our history we need a man who seeing war can also see peace. Morethan ever we need unity and diplomacy, not more talks of war but how can we live as one in this world, we are no longer separate fractions but what one part of the world does surely effects us all, ex. Nuclear Weapons. We must be wise as the serpent but harmless as doves! We need a dove not a Hawk in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 12/28/2007
- research I'm a Fan of research 261 fans permalink

We can hope HRC will be different then the face she presents to win, but it rarely turns out that way.

Obama's eager choice for a "mentor" in the senate was Joe Lieberman, How can I possibly trust Obama, knowing that?

Kucinich is the only with a consistent candidate of the American people. He has proven as mayor that he is not for sale.

Kucinich is so feared by the MSM that his impeachment of Cheney got zero headlines. Russert was tasked with "Moon beaming" Kucinich, and finally Kucinich was just excluded from the debates, since he was getting huge applause for impeaching Cheney.

Google Kucinich Wins

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 12/28/2007
- groucho I'm a Fan of groucho 24 fans permalink
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I've been on vacation..­..did Edwards end his candidacy? (dripping sarcasm)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 12/28/2007
- research I'm a Fan of research 261 fans permalink

Bin Laden and the Taliban have regrouped in Pakistan. Pakistan is ripe for a Taliban coup. Then we will have a nuclear armed Bin Laden running Pakistan.

Heck of a job BushCo!

Impeach!

Strength through Peace!

Kucinich!

Studs Terkel writes a great article about Kucinich:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020506/terkel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 12/28/2007
- drab I'm a Fan of drab permalink

Put a fork in Obama he's done.Axelr­ods comments are reprehensi­ble.There will be a 10 point drop for Obama before the Iowa caucus.A distant third in Iowa and a week second in New Hampshire will see him concede just after South Carolina its over,fini,­done,ka-pu­t,ended,la­st gasp.When the first crises hit he folded like a cheap suit.No way he will win the presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 12/28/2007

"Pakistan Criticises Obama After Warning on Military Strikes" Saturday August 4, 2007 from The Guardian

"Pakistan criticised the Democratic election contender Barack Obama yesterday over his warning that as president he might order military strikes against al-Qaida targets in the country's border areas.

As protesters burned the US flag in Karachi, Khusheed Kasuri, Pakistan's foreign minister, said: "It's a very irresponsible statement, that's all I can say. As the election campaign in America is heating up, we would not like American candidates to fight their elections and contest elections at our expense."
The response from Pakistan was mirrored in criticism from Hillary Clinton and other Democratic rivals.

Mr Obama said he would not hesitate to use force to destroy those who posed a threat to the United States, and if the Pakistani president, Pervez Musharraf, would not act, he would.

That speech may have played well with Democratic activists and the public at large. But before any poll could be held to test reaction, Mr Obama showed uncertainty on Thursday in an interview with the Associated Press.

He appeared to be caught off guard when he was asked if he would use nuclear weapons against al-Qaida in Pakistan.

Mr Obama replied: "I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstan­ce." He added: "... involving civilians".

Demonstrating a degree of unpreparedness, he went on to say: "Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."

Ms Clinton pounced, portraying herself as more savvy and dependable on foreign affairs.
"Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons," she said.

"Presidents, since the cold war, have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace. And I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons."

Joe Biden, another Democratic rival, described Mr Obama as naive..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2141482,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 12/28/2007
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Has anyone noticed how the question posed by the reporter was edited out. This clip only shows Axelrod's response. Leaving us the impression that he just started talking about Clinton with no prompting at all.

Axelrod was responding to reporter's questions whether Bhutto's assassination enhances claims that her [H. Clinton] foreign policy experience may make her more fit to serve as commander-in-chief.

It's not like Axelrod stood up and said " I have an announcement to make"

I see deceptive and biased journalism by CNN.

If that clip had contained the reporter's query too, the whole context changes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 12/28/2007

For bloggers who want to refresh their memories of what Joe Biden wrote on two occassions on Pakistan on Huffington Post on November 6th and November 8th - two months ago, here are the links.

It is worth reviewing to see how prophetic Biden was and right on the money considering how today's tragedy has worked out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-biden/a-new-approach-to-pakista_b_71733.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-biden/we-need-a-pakistan-policy_b_71399.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 12/28/2007
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 28 fans permalink
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What will distinguish either one of them from perpetuating more of this skulduggery?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 12/28/2007
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Greg Palast:
"You’ve seen all those creepy photos of George Bush rubbing up against Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf, the two of them grinning and giggling like they’re going to the senior prom. So it’s hard to remember that it was Hillary and Bill who brought Pervez to the dance in the first place."

http://www.gregpalast.com/mrs-clintons-forgotten-fling-with-the-killer-of-karachi/

Hillary has chosen the focus group tested, Psychology Today approved, Karl Rove method of campaigning:

FEAR (false evidence appearing real)

Her statements today, though softer and gentler than those of Bush, were still a Hallmark card for our lizard brain.

"Vote for me because I have the experience­..." (of shaking Benizir Bhutto's hand while me and Bill were trading favors for Tony Blair and Entergy)

?

If America continues using the same part of it's brain to choose it's President, it's always going to have the same President.

America needs courage, and vision.

Not our reaction to fear.

Obama in '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 12/27/2007
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 28 fans permalink
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What will distinguish either one of them from perpetuating more of this skulduggery?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 12/27/2007
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