Cry, Havoc: Your Essential Post-New Hampshire Memes

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First Posted: 01- 9-08 12:05 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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So, all coronations have been deferred. The story today is of two riveting political comebacks from John McCain and Hillary Clinton. From the standpoint of suspense, McCain's win has made the Republican race the more interesting of the two - three states have so far selected three different candidates, the money and the momentum each reside with different persons, and some wags will even tell you that an insistent pulse still beats in the moribund campaign of Rudy Giuliani. But the media, having more or less predicted the McCain win, will probably find the Democratic race to be the more fascinating. After all, it's the race they got wrong. (I include myself in their company.)

Coming out of New Hampshire, the Obama-Clinton tilt will likely foster two major topics of discussion. The first, of course, will be the havoc wrought by the all the polls taken in advance of the primary. As it turns out, when the numbers were right, they were very, very right - but when they were off they were horrid. By a vast margin, the polls underestimated Clinton's support in New Hampshire. There are a ton of questions. Was there really a post-Iowa "bounce" for Obama? Did the McCain comeback bleed away independents from the Democratic race? Did the ebbing of Edwards' support favor Clinton over Obama? If so, will a rise in Edwards standing in South Carolina doom Clinton? And, if forced to choose another candidate, will the Edwards hardliners behave in the same way as Edwards' more fickle supporters?

One effect this fiasco is going to have is it's going to put both the Obama and Clinton campaigns in a bunker where polling is concerned. Neither will likely stake any claim in what the Zogby/ARG/Rasmussens of the world say for a good long while, because the false certainty of the numbers put both the Obama and Clinton campaigns at a disadvantage. On the Obama side, one can't help but feel like a certain overconfidence was in play, and it soon gave way to an unexpected tension, loss, and sagging spirits. And while the Clinton side may today relish having seen their opponent's bubble get so dramatically burst, that will be tempered by the fact that the bad numbers took their campaign to the edge of imploding. And all the talk of hiring, firing, eleventh-hour gambits and last-ditch strategy went down in the public eye.

Of course, the irony of that public implosion is that it gave rise to the key New Hampshire moment that will be the second major topic of discussion - Clinton's emotional display on the stump. Talk about a turnaround! Within hours, Clinton's tears had gone from the bell that tolled her last to her saving grace!

This meme began it's evolution last night. In this clip from early in the evening, you'll see Rachel Maddow suggest that the hit Hillary took for crying was a significant "double standard." Then, hilariously, Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews attempt to make a set of qualitative rules that govern when it's all right to cry. As far as the idea of "Pat Buchanan: Guru of Emotional Openness" goes, I advise you: do not try this at home.

Later on last night, Maddow got in her licks in stunning fashion, when she noted that Talking Points Memo was suggesting that it was Chris Matthews' own shoddy treatment of Clinton (and we'll remind you that there was no more eager participant in the whole "gender card" discussion that Matthews) that drove people to vote for Clinton out of "defense."

Of course, over at Talking Points Memo, one reader was quick to offer that "Voting to disprove a media narrative has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Truly." And we also note that on American Morning today, John Roberts reported that Marianne Pernold-Young, who asked the question that brought forth Hillary's tears wound up voting for Obama. But then again, check out what Matthews said this morning! It's a classic ouroboros! I'm sensing that this discussion could go on for some time.

Of course, the volatility in Democratic race has proven to be an infectious agent throughout the entire campaign season. After Iowa, the spirit of Change infected every candidate everywhere with the Esctasy of Saint Barack. Now that Hillary's Les Miserables act is suddenly in vogue, perhaps we'll see the rest of these grown men out on the stump behaving as if they've just emerged from a screening of Terms of Endearment. Naturally, Mitt Romney will face a new round of scrutiny after the Boston Phoenix reveals that neither he nor his father ever saw the movie.

So, all coronations have been deferred. The story today is of two riveting political comebacks from John McCain and Hillary Clinton. From the standpoint of suspense, McCain's win has made the Republ...
So, all coronations have been deferred. The story today is of two riveting political comebacks from John McCain and Hillary Clinton. From the standpoint of suspense, McCain's win has made the Republ...
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McCain won in NH by 5% over Romney. In 2000, McCain won NH by 19% over Bush (49 - 30). It is a bit early to designate McCain as the nominee as the press has done....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 01/10/2008
- cadbury I'm a Fan of cadbury 4 fans permalink

Get a grip, folks. What is with all the Hillary trashing? Already progressive Dems are eating their young; we're not even waiting for the election! (Can anyone spell "Nader"?) Clinton is a strong candidate. She is not perfect, but neither is Obama, Edwards, or anyone else! She is no more ambitious than any of these people. How can you run for president without being ambitious??? She is no more manipulative than any of these other candidates. What politician doesn't tailor his/her message to the audience? She is no more negative than the others. (Remember Obama's comment that she was the Senator from Punjab?) There are few major policy differences between these candidates. And that's a GOOD thing! But in terms of experience, Clinton certainly does have more experience at the national level than Obama has. This isn't phoney Clinton rhetoric; it's a fact. I will happily vote for whatever Dem gets the nomination. Hillary has some baggage; but there's nothing new there. We've heard it all before. (I hate how her detractors say "But when Bill gets randy we'll be drawn into their soap opera again." Please!! This is a reason not to vote for her?) My main concern is that presidential candidate Obama will be eaten alive by the Republicans for his lack of experience. His oratory is lovely, but it's not a good enough reason to elect him president. (Can anyone spell "Reagan"?) So cut Clinton some slack. Despite the obviously flawed polls, she may be our best shot at winning back the presidency in 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 01/10/2008

As a professional & driven woman myself, I watched Hillery's almost tears and I understood why....her tears were because at that time, she was LOSING the election. Failure to her IS PERSONAL......it was never about the voters....wake up America - this is a power-hungry woman who wants this office as a personal victory - once she gets there she's not experienced...what does a first lady do besides dinners?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 01/10/2008

Does it take tears to get a woman elected? I met Hillary when she visited LaRabida hospitalin Chicago and the least impression I had of her was a compassionate, sensitive and warm person. She was cool, controlled and very calculating. I find it insulting to my intelligence that she would use such theatrics as a last recourse to get more votes. I feel if a woman should be elected for president it via merit and via sympathy votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 01/10/2008

Hillary squeaked a 2pt lead in a state that was supposed to be her stronghold. 2 months ago she was 20 pts. ahead in that state.
obama closed an 18 pt. gap in 2 months. pretty impressive, I'd say.
And in terms of delagates, it's a tie.
Folks, this is going to be a battle. Obama is up against the Clinton machine. Success will be hard, but it will be earned.
And it will make him a better candidate. This is the vetting process everyone has been asking for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 01/10/2008
- MAX1 I'm a Fan of MAX1 17 fans permalink
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Why doesn't anybody ask the "TABULATING" mahines who they voted for?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 01/09/2008
- bbln I'm a Fan of bbln 3 fans permalink

just all this talk about the tears, especially from male journalists who are analyzing it as the "real reason women broke for Hillary" gets so insulting towards women it only energizes their base. Good because the women of NH besides supporting Hillary for reasons other than this - said F U in the polls to these sexist opinions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 01/09/2008

My God. I never thought I would have found myself agreeing with Pat Buchanan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 01/09/2008

Hillary just can't please you. I saw it and she did not cry, but only teared up and showed some emotion-Her opponents say she has no feelings.
Well she does and I have great respect for her and Obama. any of the democratic nominees would make a great president. Enough of Bush's lies and wars and taking away our rights. It is time for a change. I have been torn between voting for Clinton or Obana--but because of the way the Huffington Post and others have been so mean and disrespectful, i am leaning toward Clinton. and you know it just makes you look bad.
Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 01/09/2008
- SubparDude I'm a Fan of SubparDude 9 fans permalink

The ability of 'open primary' voters to cross-over should not be disregarded. Combined with bad media Intel on which race was close, many voters switched to McCain in order to stop Romney.

Result: Romney gets clobbered and Obama's sure-thing evaporates. . .

So the polls impacted the real voting, instead of analyzing it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 01/09/2008

Am I the only one noticing something odd about Clinton's crying? Yes, I believe the tears were real, but she was crying because there was a chance SHE was going to loose. It was all about her. She never cried after seeing her vote lead to over 3,000 dead US soldiers and thousands of dad Iraqis. [Even Bush has teared up over that.] We've never seen her cry over the poverty in America or the ache a family goes through when they can't afford health insurance. She cried because she was possibly not going to fulfill her own massive ego. This is manipulation at it's max. She's like the girlfriend a guy thinks about un-breaking up with because she won't stop crying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 01/09/2008
- Freddy334 I'm a Fan of Freddy334 2 fans permalink

John Edwards is the real Democrat in the race. he is for American workers not global corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 01/09/2008
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