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Obama And Clinton Go Toe-To-Toe On Iraq

Obama And Clinton And Iraq

First Posted: 03/28/08 03:45 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:20 PM ET

Less than a week before the decisive Nevada Democratic presidential caucuses, the political battle over Iraq dramatically erupted on Sunday when the Hillary Clinton campaign launched a multi-pronged attack challenging the consistency of rival Barack Obama's record on the war.

The Obama campaign quickly countered that Clinton was stooping to tactics comparable to those employed by right-wing pressure groups against previous Democratic candidates.

Much like the conflict in Iraq itself, the political clashing between the two front-running campaigns quickly escalated into a prolonged guerrilla war of charges, counter-charges and counter-counter-charges.

"The argument that somehow Sen. Obama has shown unique judgment in the case of Iraq is belied by the record in which he showed identical support for Iraq War funding as Sen. Clinton," Jamie Rubin, a Clinton-era State Department official now supporting Hillary Clinton, told reporters in a hastily-called conference call. Rubin said Obama's earlier anti-war statements while he was a state Senator in Illinois were not supported by the votes he took once he arrived in Washington." There is nothing unique or special or wise about Sen. Obama's position on the Iraq War," Rubin said.

Rubin's statements came just a few hours after Sen. Clinton unleashed her latest political offensive during an hour-long interview on NBC's "Meet The Press." Clinton used the network platform to accuse Obama of waffling in his war opposition, noting that the Illinois Democrat had given an anti-war speech in 2002 but voted for funding resolutions while in office. "That is inconsistent with what he is now running his campaign on," she said. "The story of his campaign is premised on that speech."

The Iraq war had been pushed to the wings during the recent Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primaries but now seems destined to occupy center stage as Clinton and Obama race toward next Saturday's caucuses in Nevada.

The Obama campaign was quick to return fire on Clinton's charges by organizing its own Sunday conference call rebuttal. Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill) suggested that the new Clinton campaign attacks on Obama were similar to those used by right-wing groups to deflate John Kerry's 2004 presidential run.

"As we have seen in previous campaigns what you try to do is go after your opponent's position of strength," Durbin said, referencing a campaign strategy popularized by George W. Bush's top strategist, Karl Rove. "And Barack's position of strength was his early and consistent opposition to the war."

Obama earned national accolades from anti-war activists when he gave a speech opposing the invasion of Iraq during an October 2002 rally in Chicago. "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars," Obama said. Obama's statement came at the same time when Senator Hillary Clinton voted to authorize President Bush to go to war in Iraq.

Durbin directly linked the new Clinton strategy to that of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a so-called 527 group deeply reviled amongst Democrats for having led the 2004 attacks on Kerry. "It is much like going after John Kerry's war record," Durbin said. "If they can undermine that, if they can raise question about that then they feel they can open up many other issues for consideration."

The intensity of the presidential campaign flare-up over Iraq can be measured, if by nothing else, by the sheer number of reporter conference calls invoked over the last 24 hours. In just such a call earlier Sunday, announcing an endorsement from Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill, Senator Obama declared: "[Hillary Clinton] suggested that I didn't clearly and unambiguously oppose the war in Iraq when it is absolutely clear. And anyone who has followed this knows that I did. I stood up against the war when she was voting for it, at a time when she didn't read the intelligence reports or give diplomacy a chance."

In an afternoon of ferocious tit-for-tat, the Clinton campaign quickly responded to Durbin's charges saying there was no comparison to be made with the Swiftboaters as their charges were "lies" and that the current accusations against Obama are not. "It is a fact that after Senator Obama spoke out against the war in 2002, he removed the speech from his website when he started running for the Senate," said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in a written statement to The Huffington Post.

The statement continued: "By 2004, he said he didn't disagree with George Bush's approach to the war and by 2005, 2006 and 2007, he was voting for $300 billion in funding for the war."

The rapid-fire skirmishing between the two campaigns carried on throughout the day, as the Obama campaign fired out a memo detailing the ways in which the Senator's stance on the Iraq War differed from Clinton's.

The Clinton campaign responded with a memo of its own titled "Bad Oppo Alert! Obama's Senate Record On Iraq," arguing that "Hillary and Sen. Obama have identical
voting records on Iraq, with the exception of Obama's vote to confirm
Gen. Casey."

In drawing parallels between Clinton's criticism of Obama's record on Iraq and the 2004 campaign tactics against John Kerry, Durbin may have provided the most electric rhetoric of the entire day. But it was not the only time he brought up Clinton's strategy in a negative light.

"I've really been troubled by the development over the last several days and weeks, where the Clinton campaign is question barrack Obama's sincerity in his opposition to the war," Durbin said at the onset of the call. "His position on the war in Iraq has never changed, never.
He has consistently opposed he war, he has support for material goods for the troops in the field, but he has continued to vote for a timetable to bring those troops home."

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alamantra
01:28 PM on 01/14/2008
Why should anyone beLIEve anything Hillary has to say, given the history of the so-called Clinton legacy? The Clintons want us to return them to the Whitehouse, but given their previous stay ...well, let's look at the record:

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Let's look at the accomplishments:
NAFTA, The Defense of Marriage Act, the abandoning of populist principles in favor of returning to Hooverite economics ...there's lots more, of course.

Let's remember some of those glorious events:
The first attack on the World Trade Center, the massacre at Waco Texas, The Oklahoma City bombing.

Do we really want to go down this street again? When asked if Bill sometimes forgets that its not him that's running, Hillary responded by saying that if it weren't for the prohibition on serving more than two terms, Bill would probably be running right now. This brings to mind a surrogate presidency, resembling Alabama Gov. George C Wallace running his wife Lurleen to get around election rules in Alabama.

Let's give it a break. Vote for who you wish ...Ron Paul, John Edwards, Obama, Huckabee ...whoever ...but not another 4-8 year run of the Clintons. We've got to be better than that.
01:15 PM on 01/14/2008
No more Clinton years... how about a new america?
12:57 PM on 01/14/2008
You got Bill Clinton on black radio trying to knee cap him, you got ex senator Kerry dropping a dime Clinton dime, you got Coumo dropping a Clinton dime, you got some fat ass Clinton leader in New Hamp. dropping a Clinton dime, Karl Rove dropping a Clinton dime, you got a BET Johnson in SC dropping a Clinton dime, then you have the vanilla bull shit comments about kindergarden, drug us as teenager, is he really black, etc. etc.

The truth...........

Now the truth is the queen (HRC) did vote for the Bush war, the queen did vote for Bush attempt to invade Iran. Now 5 years later, 4,000 kids later, 30,000 wounded kids later and 2 Trillion dollars later she still won't own up to what she did and it is recorded in congress, give me some truth.............I know it's her much advertised experience factor as Senator.

Truth, Bill (Rhodes scholar) the most POWERFUL man in the free world while president did mess with a 20 year old kid in the White house. Now lets talk about truth.

Get off Obama ass and HRC stop your shit heads from dropping your dimes. Go Obama............
12:56 PM on 01/14/2008
People do not get sucked into the political talking points of this very cut and dry debate....

Hillary Clinton (2002):

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?


And Obama (2002):

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

This is pretty cut and dry....
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Zhonni
Former Marine, Liberal, Student, Trader
11:51 AM on 01/14/2008
Sen. Clinton is doing herself a disservice by trying to distort Obama's record.

Obama has said that he is opposed to a DUMB war, but since we are already in, "we ought to be CAREFUL getting out as we were CARELESS getting in".

Obama is a REALIST that's why he did not take the position of Kucinich. We can't just pull out immediately; we owe the Iraqis stability as we leave that means a careful phased redeployment.

Obama thought that the President would get the message after Dems were elected in 06 but he didn't, instead anounced a troop surge. Obama then said that if the President is not willing to change his position that he will oppose funding for troops until there is a clear mission.
09:51 AM on 01/14/2008
for the anti-iraq-party it is very very ridiculous to have hillary as its front-runner. clinton who has been with bush on this war since day #1. she can twist and try to change history all she wants but the truth is that while other 20+ senators voted against the iraq resolution showing good sound judgement, she voted for it.
09:45 AM on 01/14/2008
The Iran war is on the way. What is Hillary going to say then? "If I knew that President Bush was going to use the resolution blah blah blah..."?
09:28 AM on 01/14/2008
Seems Hillary is getting desperate...
09:17 AM on 01/14/2008
John Edwards: $7 Million Dollars In One Day - Make It Happen

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/13/171722/549/52/436243

"Ron Paul has managed to stir up respectable levels of exposure despite his low standings in most polls. After being excluded from a Fox News-sponsored debate in New Hampshire, he has now been invited to participate in a Fox debate in South Carolina. That reversal on the part of Fox didn't occur due to some crisis of conscience. It occurred partly because Paul's supporters were pissed and they let it be known, and partly because Paul had validated himself in terms the media can understand - fund raising. Having drawn in a record $6 million dollars in one day went a long ways toward forcing the press to pay attention.

What I want to know is this: If Paul can do it, why can't Edwards? Edwards has far more support than Paul and he ought to be able to mobilize his supporters to attempt to set a new fund raising record. I don't know if Edwards has anything like this in mind but there is no reason his supporters can't embark on this on their own."
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leftLibertarian
reefer+java=groovy
09:10 AM on 01/14/2008
The Sad Facts

A majority of the Iraqi and American people want the US out of Iraq.

But the front runners in both political parties will NOT do that.

So if you want the US out of Iraq and you are voting for either Clinton, McCain, Edwards, Romney, Huckabee, Obama, or Giuliani, you should be ASHAMED.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
THISTLE
08:33 AM on 01/14/2008
It's real real easy, for him to say, he did
not vote for the War in Iraq - HE WASN'T THERE.
He has continued to fund the war, and most of
the time he is too busy running for President
and getting his photo taken thano do doing the
job he was elected to do. And let's not forget
he won in Illinois against Alan Keyes, a door
knob could have run against Alan Keyes.
And you can bet that if he were there, he
would have voted for the War, his actions have
shown, he waits until the last minute, sees
how the other Senators are voting and follows
them.
marinade
All of the above.
08:31 AM on 01/14/2008
Where are the tears for the troops and the Iraqi people?

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/010908a.html
marinade
All of the above.
08:29 AM on 01/14/2008
Is it really necessary to read the article? Or can we just review the lack of action by these two? Isn't looking at where we are, i.e. the same Iraq stagnant mess, enough? This tete-a-tete reminds us of the status quo and how the Democratic Congress hasn't done much listening to the American people.
07:52 AM on 01/14/2008
I think they're both warmongers. We know Hillary voted for the war, every Bush increase, is in favor of military action against Iran and is a big supporter of the Neocon-Zionists at AIPAC. Obama on the other hand has already said that he supports further incursions in Afghanistan and would even support an invasion of Pakistan for cryin out loud! While on the other side of the aisle we have senile ex-baby-killer McCain. Damn are we in deep shit.
07:15 AM on 01/14/2008
Perhaps Hillary should take her own advice when she says that Obama only makes inspirational speeches but never offers solutions.

I read an interesting piece on the McClatchy site this morning in which Hillary was taking questions from an audience in S.C. and was asked what she would do to help wounded vets.

She then proceeded to relate a story about an Iraq War vet who came home with traumatic head injuries and, tsk, tsk, wasn't taken care of, and that was it! No solutions, no remedies offered, just a warm and fuzzy story to remind everyone how CARING and FEELING she is about issues that are important to them. Sounds more and more like George Bush everyday.

How is she different from the criticism she levels at Obama for not offering solutions and just giving speeches? Hell, her's are not even as inspirational as his! No wonder she's desperate -- and it shows!