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Asia Markets Tumble on US Worries

YURI KAGEYAMA | January 21, 2008 10:34 PM EST | AP

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TOKYO — Global stock markets extended their shakeout into a second day Tuesday, plunging amid worries that a possible U.S. recession will cause a worldwide economic slowdown. The dramatic declines were expected to spread to Wall Street, where stock index futures were already down sharply hours before the trading day began.

Japan's Nikkei 225 index, the benchmark for Asia's biggest bourse, skidded 4.4 percent in morning trading to 12,738.31 points, after dropping 3.9 percent Monday. Hong Kong's Hang Seng index was down 5.2 percent after plunging 5.5 percent the day before.

"Unless we get some positive 'shock effects,' such as drastic measures from the U.S. government, there is almost no hope for a recovery in stocks," said Koji Takeuchi, senior economist at Mizuho Research Institute in Tokyo.

U.S. markets were closed Monday for a holiday commemorating civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. But Wall Street future prices were down sharply, portending a plunge when trading begins at 9:30 a.m. Eastern time.

Dow Jones industrial average futures were down 436 points, or 3.6 percent, at 11,670, while Standard & Poor's 500 futures were down 57.1 points, or 4.3 percent, at 1,268.

Markets have been plunging amid pessimism about the ability of the U.S. government to prevent a recession. The Federal Reserve has indicated it will lower interest rates further, and President Bush has proposed an economic stimulus package that includes $145 billion in tax cuts, but investors around the world are doubtful that the measures will lift the economy quickly.

The U.S. economy has been battered by a slump in the housing market and a credit crisis that has led to billions of dollars of losses among major U.S. banks.

In Europe Monday, investors also dumped stocks, sending the Britain's benchmark FTSE-100 down 5.5 percent and France's CAC-40 Index sliding 6.8 percent. Germany's blue-chip DAX 30 plunged 7.2 percent to 6,790.19.

Takeuchi said investors feel that the selloff is spreading worldwide, setting off fears of a global downturn. Risks of economic contraction have been growing in Japan as both exports and consumer spending are weakening, he said.

Kirby Daley, strategist at Newedge Group, said the Nikkei could shed another 10 percent to 15 percent to the 11,000 level in the next few months. Japanese companies depend on exports and capital investments to keep up profits, and both are endangered if there is a U.S. slowdown, he said.

"The argument that valuations are cheap for Japanese stocks is flawed," Daley said. "The basis for those earnings valuations doesn't consider ongoing problems in the U.S. economy, which are likely to get worse."

Even usually upbeat Japanese Economy Minister Hiroko Ota acknowledged that downsides risks are growing, given the volatile markets and surging oil prices.

"The economy keeps recovering as recent production data show, but downside risks are growing these days," Ota told reporters.

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- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

This is how the meltdown will occur...under cover of darkness with NO WAY to rescue your money. I said to get liquid back in August and people were laughing talking about "the sky is falling".

Leave your money in the market and keep "praying" if you wish. You will be broke as a result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 01/22/2008
- mrcontinental See Profile I'm a Fan of mrcontinental permalink

And this shoe still has yet to fall:

"According to the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), CDS (credit default swaps)totaling
$43 trillion were outstanding at year end 2007, more than half the size of
the entire asset base of the global banking system. Total derivatives
amount to over $500 trillion, many of them finding their way onto the
balance sheets of SIVs, CDOs and other conduits of their ilk comprising
the Frankensteinian levered body of shadow banks."

This will signal the "end".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 01/22/2008
- Gelbert See Profile I'm a Fan of Gelbert permalink

-- The World, October 31, 1929

Stocks Up in Strong Rally; Rockefellers Big Buyers; Exchanges Close 2-1/2 Days
By Ferdinand Lundberg

Revived by spontaneous investment buying and declarations of large extra cash dividends by leading companies, and free of the delirium that has recently gripped share owners, the stock market yesterday received a fresh start and scored a record comeback. Volume on the Stock Exchange totaled 10,727,320 shares, the third largest day on record.

The high spot of the day from a stock market viewpoint was the statement by John D. Rockefeller that there was no need to destroy values and that he and his son, John D. Rockefeller Jr., had been heavy buyers of stocks for investment in the last few days, and would continue to buy at present prices...

-- New York Herald Tribune, October 31, 1929

Very Prosperous Year Is Forecast

Guenther Analyzes the Report of Mellon Covering 1929

That 1930 may be a very prosperous year, industrially and otherwise, without the peak conditions that made 1929 and exceptional year for business prosperity, is an observation made by Louis Guenther, publisher of the Financial World, in a statement based upon Secretary Mellon's fiscal report...

"To grow too fast is often unhealthy because of the suddenness with which a readjustment must be met. By far and large the country would be better off were further progress made along more normal lines...

Fortunately, we have returned to a more normal mind in appraising prospects. We are not looking for the Midas touch on everything to which we turn. That makes us more satisfied with normal incomes and normal profit returns."

-- The World, December 15, 1929

REMEMBER folks! The newspapers NEVER, EVER, Ever lie, distort, pump or dump false information to benefit the elite. They also sell bridges in New York.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 01/21/2008
- Gelbert See Profile I'm a Fan of Gelbert permalink

Check this out. You know all those rich people who are interested in our welfare and give us jobs while scolding us for being lazy and unproductive?
It was always a CON:
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=/c4zsGbMKc3LAgTDChctsJEelimgU4Ln

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 01/21/2008
- GoodDay See Profile I'm a Fan of GoodDay permalink

The best thing consumers can do for the next few months is not to buy anything more than they absolutely have to and pay off their credit card debt as soon as possible. The interest rate on these credit cards is usually at least 21% which will destroy any family or person's standard of living.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 01/21/2008
- Novista See Profile I'm a Fan of Novista permalink

According to an evaluation of data from the U.S. Department of Treasury, the cost of goods and services remained relatively consistent between 1635 and 1913, around a level of roughly 25 times the buying power of the U.S. dollar in 2006.

During that span, government chartered banks arose. Bank of North America. Bank of the United States. Second Bank of the United States. All created inflation, all failed; taxpayers got to bite the bullet. 'Never again' gained traction, right up to Dec, 1913.

Since then, we're still paying the price.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 01/21/2008
- FanaticRealist See Profile I'm a Fan of FanaticRealist permalink

The other shock piece of news from the Monday trading session is that oil prices went below $90/barrel for the first time in a month.

Here's the thing: if oil drops another $25-40 in the next six weeks (to say, $65) and the banks' lending rates continue to diverge from the reserve/minimum rates set by central banks, we're in for a rough time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 01/21/2008
- Gelbert See Profile I'm a Fan of Gelbert permalink

Want to see the future? Look at these news reports from 1929 while the markets were crashing. Even old Rockefeller claimed there were good buys and others claimed that it was a great buying opportunity. You'll be hearing such propaganda disguised as good advice this year. Don't believe me? Take a look:
http://www.rense.com/general80/crash.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 01/21/2008
- KOisGod See Profile I'm a Fan of KOisGod permalink

All I know is they better have the rev limiter in place and fortified for tomorrow's bloodbath. This is going to be off the charts, way down there where the charts are uncharted - sort of charts.

Got a 401K?

Me too... shit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 01/21/2008
- MelvinZHoppe See Profile I'm a Fan of MelvinZHoppe permalink

I hope when as this plays out we can somehow come together as a country. I know that might sound like pie in the sky thinking, but it is my hope.

As I glanced at the major news outlets on the internet I was surprised that there was little mention of this major sell off in the foreign markets. Perhaps the MSM wants to avoid any rush to the exits?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 01/21/2008
- Gelbert See Profile I'm a Fan of Gelbert permalink

Well, well, well, the perception management crowd meets reality. There has been a whole lot of Grand Larceny going on behind your 401K's back. Goldilocks was caught by the biggest Bear.
If you really want to know how the con artists on wall Street have been cheating our country and any other part of planet earth they could rape, READ THIS:
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens01212008.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 01/21/2008
- factanonverba See Profile I'm a Fan of factanonverba permalink

My Lord! It was a brutal day, one that rivals previous collapses in 1929, 1987, 1998, and 2001. Across the world, seven percent of asset prices just went poof. 7%! Gone! Evaporated!

If this doesn't prove John Edwards' message that the economic fundamentals underpinning our society are in deep trouble then nothing will.

I urge all of you to look at Edwards' message and his proposals. The urgency is clear and immediate, it is not just the US way of life that is at stake but capitalism itself. It is not unlike 1929 when FDR addressed the excesses of capitalism run amok with a Keynesian approach. That is once again required.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 01/21/2008
- JohnCitizen See Profile I'm a Fan of JohnCitizen permalink


THE SUPPLY-SIDE SCAM

George Bush"s $3 trillion dollar tax giveaway to the rich over the past 7 years has been a disaster for average Americans. Supply-side (trickle-down) economics is a bogus theory promoted by those who benefit from it. In a mature capitalist system, supply side never rules, it"s always the demand side of the equation that governs growth and well-being. Think about the 1930s Depression, General Motors had plenty of supply, but demand evaporated.

Previous U.S. economic downturns have been cured with only $200-300 billion in tax cuts targeted to the middle class, because the consumer (the great middle class and 2/3rds of the economy) spends that tax cut and primes the economic pump. But George Bush has raised the debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay from $6 trillion to over $9 trillion for current economic growth (i.e. we all get trickled on, as the rich spend some small fraction of their gains). Unfortunately, this growth is largely and uniquely without wage gains, and so has shrunk the middle class that makes America strong and great. Also, this growth has already over ($3 trillion flushed down the toilet and gone!), as the FED has had to cut interest rates because recession is looming. Massive debt has led to a weak dollar, which is now at record lows vs. other major currencies because of FED interest rate cuts. In turn, the record low dollar has produced record oil prices ($100/barrel); and any additional needed FED interest rate cuts could cause a free fall in the value of the dollar, guaranteeing recession or worse, stagflation.

The middle class is slowly being tapped out, as home values (most of their net worth and the credit card of last resort) are falling in price, and a considerable number of homeowners are heading for foreclosure. With the rich-poor divide increasing, we"re headed toward previous shining examples of trickle-down economics: South America of the recent past and feudalism in the Middle Ages. SUPPY-SIDE ECONOMICS IS NEW FEUDALISM AND SERFDOM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 01/21/2008
- OhgReaTone See Profile I'm a Fan of OhgReaTone permalink

There is only one way to think about the economy - it is called George W. Bush and his Republican cronies in Congress. Go Vote.
Ohg
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/01/22/think-economy-think-republican-think-bush/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 01/21/2008
- Troubledwawa See Profile I'm a Fan of Troubledwawa permalink

The foreigners might have now figured out that we are facing a depression and are already in a recession. An obvious no confidence vote toward Bush and Congress.

Some day the press will figure it out (I hope).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 01/21/2008
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