Bill Clinton: "I Kind Of Like To See Barack And Hillary Fight"

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BETH FOUHY | January 22, 2008 09:27 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. gestures to the crowd as she receives the endorsement of the United Farm Workers at a campaign event in Salinas, Calif., Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

WASHINGTON — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton argued on Tuesday that Barack Obama's frustration with losing prompted him to look for a fight in their latest debate. Obama said his rival and her husband, former President Clinton, were distorting his record.

"I think it's very clear that Senator Clinton ... and the president have been spending the last month attacking me in ways that are not accurate," Obama told reporters in a conference call shortly after she lashed out at him in a bitter exchange that carried over from Monday night's debate.

Speaking to reporters in Washington, Hillary Clinton belittled Obama's line of debate criticism against her as "rehearsed points."

"I think what we saw last night was that he's very frustrated," she said. "I believe that the events of the last 10 or so days, the outcome of New Hampshire and Nevada, have apparently convinced him to adopt a different strategy."

Former President Clinton said Tuesday he enjoyed the bickering.

"I know you think it's crazy, but I kind of like to see Barack and Hillary fight," Bill Clinton told a mostly white crowd of about 300 at a black church in Greenville, S.C. "They're flesh and blood people and they have their differences _ let them have it."

Asked whether he thought his legacy among blacks would be harmed by challenging Obama, Clinton said he wasn't standing in Obama's way but rather advocating for his wife.

"I think it would be just as much a change, some people think more, to have the first woman president than to have the first African-American president," Bill Clinton said.

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In the debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., the two leading Democrats argued bitterly and in personal terms over issues such as Iraq and Bill Clinton's role in the campaign.

"He clearly came last night looking for a fight. He was determined and launched right in," Hillary Clinton said. "And I thought it was important to set the record straight."

She restated her argument that Obama was unwilling to answer hard questions about his record, including his opposition to the Iraq war, his support for military budgets and his "present" votes as a member of the Illinois Legislature.

Obama countered that this was all part of Clinton's strategy.

"Senator Clinton announced while we were still in Iowa that this was going to be her strategy and called it the fun part of campaigning. And, you know, I don't think it's the fun part to fudge the truth," he said. "The necessary part of this campaign is to make sure that we're getting accurate information to voters about people's respective records."

The bickering brought new calls for calm from former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, running third among Democratic contenders. "There was a lot of squabbling," Edwards told reporters in a conference call Tuesday. "While Senator Clinton and Senator Obama were hurling charges and countercharges at each other, I was thinking, `I'm John Edwards and I represent the grown-up wing of the Democratic Party.'"

During an economic speech in Greenville, S.C., Obama accused Clinton of taking politically expedient positions inconsistent with her record. The Illinois senator put an unflattering twist on her contention that she is the candidate most ready to be president from the first day.

"We can't afford a president whose positions change with the politics of the moment. We need a president who knows that being ready on Day One means getting it right from Day One," Obama said as he received the only standing ovation of his speech.

The New York senator defended her husband's aggressive criticism of Obama. She said it did not contradict the former president's role as senior statesman and party leader.

"I can tell you that never crossed our minds. That's not how we think," she said. "It has absolutely nothing to do with a unified Democratic Party around a nominee and a full support for whoever our Democratic president will be. That is just the way it works."

The Obama campaign began a "truth squad" in South Carolina to respond to negative criticism. Involved in the effort was former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.

People in South Carolina "don't want to see this backbiting, bitter give-and-take that we're beginning to see more and more of, especially from the Clinton campaign. It's wrong. everybody knows it's wrong and it's got to stop," Daschle told reporters on a conference call. "Ultimately, it's going to divide us. And it's going to have a huge effect, a lasting effect if it doesn't stop soon."

Asked about Bill Clinton's actions, Daschle said, "It's not presidential. It's not in keeping with the image of a former president."

Hillary Clinton, in her comments with reporters, rejected the notion she had used patronizing or racially charged language against Obama. She has called him, among other things, a "talented" and "young African-American man."

Clinton traveled to Salinas, Calif., to accept the backing of the United Farm Workers Union, which represents a heavily Hispanic work force. It is active in 10 states and represents 27,000 farm workers.

Clinton won Nevada's presidential caucuses Saturday in part because of a strong showing among Hispanic voters _ a central part of her strategy to win several states holding contests Feb. 5, including California, Arizona and New Mexico.

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Associated Press writers Nedra Pickler and Mike Baker in South Carolina and Ann Sanner in Washington contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton argued on Tuesday that Barack Obama's frustration with losing prompted him to look for a fight in their latest debate. Obama said his rival and her h...
WASHINGTON — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton argued on Tuesday that Barack Obama's frustration with losing prompted him to look for a fight in their latest debate. Obama said his rival and her h...
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- CurrerBell I'm a Fan of CurrerBell 3 fans permalink

As the NY Observer put it in today's endorsement of Obama:

"Mr. Obama has found his strength in the generation that succeeded the baby boomers, speaking for the frustrations of those who wish that their leaders would get over themselves, get over the 1960’s, get on with resolving issues that threaten our global leadership."

http://www.observer.com/2008/february-5-obama

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Wall Street faces bruising opening session
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Published: January 23 2008 14:01 | Last updated: January 23 2008 14:01

Wall Street was set for another bruising open on Wednesday, with stocks set to extend five days of losses amid some downbeat earnings guidance and concerns that a fully fledged bear market looms.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 01/23/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

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Anti-hillary means pro-dubya? Where have I heard that before....oh yeah, if you're not with us, you're against us? Got it.

I didn't say you were pro-Dubya - I said you were making Rush Limpthangs' day. And you are. Rush thanx you for doing his work for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 01/23/2008
- cabgx2 I'm a Fan of cabgx2 4 fans permalink
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Then isn't bitching at me so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 01/23/2008

A former BOOZER and DRUGGIE is now in the Whitehouse, turned our economy to SHIT. Now, these "so-called" educated people wanted another former BOOZER and DRUGGIE named Obama in the Whitehouse.

Between 4 years in college with Bachelors degree and COMMON SENSE, I'd take common sense anytime of the day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 01/23/2008

The Democratic candidate will almost certainly win in 2008. In addition to all the mess Bush already caused, the country will be put in a nasty recession. Unemployed people being evicted from their homes are unlikely to vote for the Repubics.

The bigger question is whether the Democrats will offer anything different. The idea that their are only two strains of political thought in the United States- Repubic and Repubic lite-makes the coming election look extremely unimportant. Apparently, we will have the choice of Clinton's NAFTA versus Bush's CAFTA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 01/23/2008

Let us NOT FORGET that it was solely Bill Clinton's fault that we got George Bush for 8 years. Now he either wants to give us the woman he himself doesn't want, or he's setting us up for another loss we otherwise should win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 01/23/2008

Former President Clinton seems to have forgotten whose campaign this is. Much as I respect Senator Clinton, the intrusion of her husband has become little more than an annoying side show. He needs to back off before he starts costing her votes...hmmm. Food for thought.
Gramma Rose

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 01/23/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

Let me say again - at the risk of repeating myself - Democrats haven't done a good job of getting elected or re-elected POTUS in recent decades. The people who have pulled it off were named CLINTON. Worth pondering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 01/23/2008
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Go Clintons. What Bill Clinton is doing will add a fabulous chapter to his legacy because of his courage in shaking awake frozen minds, his moral clarity (on the big issues) in this campaign, and his forcefulness. People love that he is defending his wife so aggressively, and taking on all comers (including offering to do a dance-off with Obama, if he gets an age allowance). Bill Cliniton is right that having Hillary and Obama openly fight, instead of their getting frozen in political correctness, makes it possible for everyone to talk more easily about race and gender. Hillary's attacking Obama so forcefully before a distinguished and powerful Afrcian-American audience, with whom she has deep ties, who are appropriately sympathetic to Obama and whose support Hillary will ultimately need, makes it possible for Obama to be more than just the black candidate. But he then still has to beat Hillary fair and square. And that he is not going to do. Go Clintons. It's good to have you back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 01/23/2008

In New Hamphire when HRC showed a bit of emotion, the Obamanics howled--Shes playing the gender card. In SC O plays the black man as victim and he is courageous standing up to the both of them. Bill got in his head and HRC spanked him. Then O whined, and whined, and whined some more. They (sniff-sniff) are telling inaccuracies about me.
The debate was a set-up and it took guts to go into it and not only hold your own, but to shred O. The O's have set race relations back a hundred years. Newsweek, notoriously pro O, this week tells of how Ms. O has labored long and hard to polarize the black electorate in SC. Some months ago, when HRC was out polling O among blacks, she raged "black people in SC just don't get it". Change often comes about when one side gets riled up and attacks the other. Is this their stategy of change-to create polarization.
Most media types are ignorant about change tactics. They have never questioned the experience of change itself.
How in the hell can O bring the country together when he seens unable bridge the huge black-white chasm he has now helped to increase?
A last point, O refuses to look at or talk directly to HRC. He seems to have a black son complex about his mama. Several times he gave Edwards several good old boy slaps on the thigh. What is that all about? Is this his new politics? We know he wants Edwards to hang around to siphon white votes away. Nixon's southern strategy was to villify the blacks and scare the whites into the GOP. O seems to have a similar strategy, but in reverse. It will only serve to polarize whites nationwide against him. Is he really that dumb?

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Here we are over six years after 9-11.

Not one republican not one member of their executive have in any way shape or form said sorry about our failure.

Here we are nearly 5 years after invading Iraq and still no apology for the lies.

Yet here we are with the repugs having a real chance of keeping the WH in 08.

The US has lost all International prestige yet still not one repug has admitted this failure.

I cant wait to see the headlines on the International papers.

"Not Again"

Would be a good one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 01/23/2008

Bill Clinton: The Don King of politics....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 01/23/2008

Bill is no better than Michael Vick

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 01/23/2008

A lot of you here talk about "UNITER" "HOPES" and "DREAMS". Get real people, our BIGGEST problem is ECONOMY STUPID! Bush was a "UNITER", he feed majority of the American people hopes and dreams, he's an outsider; look where are we now as a nation? WE ARE IN RECESSION!

Republicans, Democrats and Independent voters are UNITED right NOW against BUSH. Regardless of your political affiliation, we ALL feel the same pain with our ECONOMY heading to the dogs.

There's nothing wrong with hopes and dreams, that's how people succeed in life; but hopes and dream NEEDS real work to change your life.

People can be passionate with their affiliation, be REALISTIC about it. Do you think Obama will pay your bills, put food in your table, cloth your family, send your kids to school with his hopes and dreams?

Obama is no different than Bush, they're cut in the same cloth. To be a distant relative of Dick Cheney (Obama) makes you wonder if some of Darth Vader's lies rubbed on him.

For a democrat praising Reagan who destroyed the middle class of this country, says a lot about Obama.

If you think hopes and dream will fill up your stomach, pay your bills, go ahead and vote for Obama.

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