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Critics Cry 'Dynasty!' Over Clintons, But Not Bushes

January 23, 2008 09:13 AM


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On the campaign trail, one criticism frequently lobbed at Hillary Clinton is that her presidency would be the extension of dynastic politics. The political sequence of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton has left many critics, mostly conservatives, rolling their eyes and salivating with ire.

On NBC's Meet the Press, Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan said that such a run of political lineage is a "sickness" that "is giving so many people pause."

But is the critique fair? And, if so, where were these voices when George W. Bush ran for office in 2000?

Among Clinton supporters, the answer to those two questions are universally: "no" and "nonexistent." Clinton, they argue, is the victim of poor political timing - trying to follow one family's occupation of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave with her own. And George W. Bush was never regarded with the same dynastic skepticism.

"I think voters were willing to swallow one family dynasty," a former Clinton aide told the Huffington Post. " But buying into two dynasties in a row gives people real pause. And this is not about Clinton fatigue."

Indeed, some of the same people who decry "dynasticism" today were hailing a Bush "restoration" eight years earlier. In a July 2000 column in the Wall Street Journal, Noonan wrote about George W. Bush's candidacy not in cynical terms about his lineage, but rather in the frame of redeeming his father.

"Mr. Bush's eyes filled with tears as he took the oath of office -- quite possibly a historical first -- and people have discussed why. Family redemption, old losses now avenged. Maybe. But I suspect they were the tears of a 54-year-old man who hadn't amounted to much in his first 40 years -- poor student, average athlete, indifferent businessman, all of this in contrast to his father's early and easy excellence. He had struggled to find himself and his purpose; amazing and fantastic things had happened, and he had gone on to make himself a president - 'Called to do great things.'"

When asked why Clinton is held to a different standard than Bush, those who have harped on dynasticism argue that the two cases are fundamentally different. The distinction, they say, is the hyper-energetic presence of Bill Clinton in his wife's political orbit.

"Bill Clinton is still active on public life," says Michael Barone, a senior writer for US News & World Report who, in January 2007, wrote that the royalist turn of American politics had "viscerally" struck him as a bad thing.

"It is clear that George Bush retired from public life in 1993 and he wasn't really involved in the presidential campaign," Barone argues. George W. Bush "was rather conspicuously running as something different from his father on policy issues. There was a distinctive effort to keep the Bush 41 people out of the campaign. Jim Baker was not brought on board until the recount effort... There is more continuity between the Clinton 42 campaign operatives and the current campaign."

Indeed, Clinton critics and more neutral political observers say that there is a direct relationship between the ex-president's campaign activity and the average voter's concern about political dynasties.

"The question is the role of the former president in the campaign," said Thomas Mann, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute. "To the extent that George HW Bush got engaged it was to speak well of his son, He didn't speak ill of his son's primary opponents. What has caught the attention of many people is that President Bill Clinton has seemed to taken on the role of undermining Obama's candidacy. That is what is catching the election of mainly disgruntled Democrats."

Grover Norquist, the anti-tax activist who is pursuing a constitutional amendment that would ban family members from succeeding one another to elected office (Hillary Clinton would not be effected), offered a very similar assessment.

"[George W. Bush] didn't run as son of," he said. "And dad wasn't there on the campaign. And you do see Bill out there, giving speeches, settling scores. Hillary talks about decisions made by her husband in a 'we' form. She is running as if her experience was not just the Senate, but her White House years. She is playing to that more. Now, mind you, she was a real participant in her husband's presidency and George W. Bush was not a real participant with his father."

For the most part, however, it seems that takes like these are confined to conservative circles. A September 2007, Washington Post/ABC News poll found that 60 percent of respondents "personally feel comfortable ... with the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House."

Matt McKenna, a spokesperson for the ex-president, deflected the critique that Bill Clinton was causing concerns over his wife's potential presidency.

"President Clinton has said repeatedly that no one is entitled to be President and Hillary will work to earn every vote and takes no vote for granted," he told the Huffington Post. "Knowing what he knows about the job, he believes she is the best qualified person to be President on day one and that's why he is supporting her."

And the Clinton campaign, at least publicly, trumpets the former President, with his high approval ratings, as a political asset. As Hillary Clinton often remarks on the campaign trail, "It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush."

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"I feel that the greatest reward for doing is the opportunity to do more."
~ Jonas Salk

What is a dynasty?
The successive progress of leadership by a family or a company.
There is nothing wrong with any form of leadership or rulership, as long as it is for the great benefit of humanity.
Therefore, do not discourage Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton from her great dream to break through the barriers hindering the progress of America.

What of the dynasty of White Rule in America?

What of the dynasty of the Bhutto Family in Pakistan?

There are no barriers or boundaries to our dreams and goals, except our own fears and the fears of others.
Therefore, perish your fears, lest you will be perished by your fears.
Let Hillary Clinton be.

"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside them was superior to circumstances."
~ Bruce Barton

Do not be destroyed or buried by the negative circumstances of life.

You cannot fulfill your purpose in life if you give up your dreams.

"She looked at the crowd and she felt, simultaneously, astonishment that they should stare at her, when this event was so personally her own that no communication about it was possible, and a sense of fitness that they should be here, that they should want to see it, because the sight of an achievement was the greatest gift a human being could offer to others."
~ Ayn Rand


There is absolute nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton's ambition to become the first female president of the United States of America.
As long as she means well.

Be and let her be.

God bless Hillary Clinton for President and God bless America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 01/24/2008

"Great minds discuss ideas, mediocre minds discuss events and small minds discuss personalities."
~ Eleanor Roosevelt .

You have the right to be whatever you wish to be, as long as it is for the common good.
Call it dynasty, monarchy or whatever hierarchy.

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 01/24/2008
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Love that Hillary, ever treating the public as if we are still uninformed and ignorant of American history in regard to the first Clinton presidency.
We do recall NAFTA, the Telecom Act(the extension of Reagan's dream) and the photo-op in front of SWAT team militias.

We do in fairness love his balancing the budget for which he deserves credit.

But by triangulating (may this expression fall from use, please) his fellow Democrats, we ended up with Bush rather than Gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 01/24/2008

WOW. Selective reading much?

Everyone with the sense their momma gave them knows that Billary and the Bush are cut from the same collective.

The Bush clan honed the game in the old school robber baron tradition while Billary is social/power scratching their way to the top (again) nouveau rich style.

Bush could have wrecked the Repubs but they have the evil genius sense to contain him. Same with Romney-if he threatens to divide the Repub party they will contain him with the quickness.

The Democratic Party is such a piece of H.A.M., that they'll let Billary take the party down in flames.

All of you who are convinced that putting any Dem in the White House as a weapon to combat Repubs, even Hillary, need to lay off the pipe.

They are the same except that Bush had no finesse, Billary will rub you down, keep the foreplay going and then lay the smack down.

The Repubs are dying to take Billary to teach them that you can't out politrick the OGs of politricking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 01/24/2008

My objection is that it will be a third term co-presidency. Bill said from the beginning of his first term that we get two fer one. So are we going to do that three times? Bill is talking about "we" and "us." "I never did anything major without discussing it with her," ... "We"ve been having this conversation since we first met in 1971, and I don"t think we"ll stop now."
NYT/ from Dowd"s article 1/23/08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 01/24/2008
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Um, Sam? Some did. In fact one of them wrote a book: "American Dynasty : Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush" by Kevin Phillps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 01/24/2008
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After Hillary will we see Jeb Bush and then Chelsea? We could end up with 44 years of Bush-Clinton. Since both families are corporate owned, supporters of NAFTA and all of that nonsense, this dynastic cycle needs to be stopped now.

They have driven the US into being a third-world country. You don't believe it? We have more debt than all other countries combined and our largest exports are agricultural. How would you characterize it?

cognito ergo populistae

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 01/24/2008

Hillary was a Barry Goldwater supporter and she will do to the democrats what he did to the repukeicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 01/24/2008

The Bushes share the same degenerate genes--Hello!, the Clintons do no share genes, they share progressive ideas. The bushes don't even share that...they have NO good ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 01/24/2008
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What a hit job for the Clintons. Take note all you Hillary whiners and squealers about the Huff post being against "Slick Billary".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 01/24/2008

This Democrat didn't like the Bush dynasty and doesn't want a Clinton dynasty either.

Just say no to dynasties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 AM on 01/24/2008

Bill Clinton is real asset to Hillary Clinton and to the Democrats. Both of them are a team, both of them are brilliant, and both of them drove the Republicans nuts for 8 years and still are.

Bill Clinton is a definite strong personality and the spouse of the Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. He is like Jackie Kennedy who the public couldn't get enough of.

JFK mentioned in Paris when the crowds lined up and threw paper into the streets of Paris, screaming "Jacque, Jacque." Kennedy introduced himself as "I am the man who escorted Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris." Everyone laughed. He did the same thing in Dallas. "I said I was the man who escorted Jackie Kennedy to Paris and I'm getting the same reaction in Texas." Point is Jackie Kennedy was so popular, she overshadowed an equally charismatic and popular President who the crowds also cheered for him in Berlin, Ireland, and yes, Dallas.

The Clintons are the same. I am enormously grateful they sit on the Democratic side of the slate and not on the Republican side. Thank God they are Democrats and yes, what an asset they both are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 01/24/2008

The only Democratic presidential candidate in this campaign who as late as two years ago supported torture (and by that name) was Hillary Clinton.

(See the Politico.com story "Hillary backs off support for torture" [www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/6050.html])

Bill Clinton reportedly even now still backs torture (which explains his behavior on the campaign trail).

As a long-time human rights advocate, I am supporting Barack Obama.

For me, supporting a candidate who supported torture just two years ago is the moral equivalent of supporting a candidate who supported racial segregation just two years ago.

Martin Edwin Andersen

Clean slate !!!
Barack Obama,
'08 !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 01/23/2008

Clean slate!!!
Barack Obama,
'08!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 01/23/2008

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These two families have nothing in common - the bushits are criminals.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 01/23/2008
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