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Clinton's 'Reagan' Critique: A Cast Stone, But Hardly Sin-Free

First Posted: 03/28/08 03:45 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:25 PM ET

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Remember back in December, when "political sources opposed to [Barack] Obama's presidential campaign" leaked an old questionaire to The Politico, in order to raise "questions of whether Obama can be painted as too liberal?" From what camp did these sources come from? Well, we sort of don't really know! Surely they didn't come from the Clinton campaign, though! They're the ones who are trying to raise questions of whether Obama can be painted as too conservative, because, as they would tell you, Obama totally loves Ronald Reagan and wants to have all his cryogenically preserved babies and what not. Although, if it were true that these two disparate lines of attack did come from the same camp, that would be pretty hilarious!

That would, indeed, be the only hilarious thing to come of this whole "who loved Reagan more" debate, which is threatening to displace the "gender-card" and the "evil community organizing that we cannot talk about on Black Entertainment Television" as the dumbest derailment of political discourse this campaign season. Reagan did have a "transformative" effect on the electorate. "Reagan Democrats," people. They exist, and whoever wins the Democratic nomination will be pursuing their votes and serving up microtargeted appeals to them.

Still, the Clinton camp takes umbrage at Obama's intimation that the Republicans, under Reagan, were the "party of ideas." In her new radio spot (which her campaign pulled from the airwaves today after heavy criticism), the voiceover insists: "Hillary Clinton thinks this election is about replacing disastrous Republican ideas with new ones."

And this would be all well and good if it weren't for the fact that she's got a serious yen for embracing some disastrous Republican ideas, herself. Along with Obama, she supported Condoleeza Rice's ascension at the State Department. There's her totally out-to-lunch decision to join with Joe Lieberman in a hollow, prudish assault on video-games just when the Iraq Study Group was releasing its findings. In 2005, she co-sponsored one of those perennial patriotic pander-fest initiatives - a constitutional ban on flag burning - along with Utah Republican Bob Bennett. That same year she shafted abortion rights activists by "offering warm words to opponents of abortion."

Along the way, she's also stood by without comment as her husband (and campaign surrogate) Bill Clinton vied for the affections of the Bush family. The most egregious example of which being his foolish efforts in providing political cover for the Bush administration's failings after Hurricane Katrina: "You and I are not in a position to make any judgment because we weren't there," he said, adding, "I'm telling you, nobody thought this was going to happen like this...they had problems they never could have foreseen." As we found out later, plenty of people had forseen those problems.

President Clinton also offered his support to Senator Joe Lieberman when the Connecticut Senator found himself in a tough re-election battle. At the time, the Huffington Post's namesake offered readers a mock-soundbyte in advance of his appearance: "Joe Lieberman was wrong on the bankruptcy bill, wrong on not filibustering Alito, and wrong on Terri Schiavo. But his position on the war is pretty similar to Hillary's and that's good enough for me." Naturally, Clinton did not indulge us with a word-for-word recitation, but the salient point is that in offering support to Lieberman, Clinton threw a whole lot of progressive policy positions under the bus to support a man whose stance on the war was a neo-conservative, kiss-of-Bush endorsed, DISASTROUS position.

Of course, Lieberman went on to endorse John McCain for president. No one could have anticipated this!

As Obama continues to make an attempt at some sort of unifying campaign that will bring together partisans of all stripes behind his candidacy, he'll continue to get it from all sides - some saying he's too liberal, some insisting he's too conservative. And it will remain fair to question whether catering to conservative voters will require him to embrace the bad ideas of the Reagan years. Yet if Clinton insists that this election "is about replacing disastrous Republican ideas with new ones," it is also fair to ask why she didn't seem to feel this way the last time she stood for election, or the last time her husband stumped for someone else's.

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CORRECTION:
This post originally contained this sentence: "The facts are these: Hillary Clinton lists Reagan as one of her "favorite presidents." It's right there on her website"

However, in a separate release on her website, the campaign rightly notes that David Cutler, the co-owner of the newpaper which originally noted Clinton's list of presidents in an editorial, contends that Clinton was merely praising Reagan's "communication skills" (which they contend is "an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes") and adds, "She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn't say anything close to that." We apologize for mischaracterizing her stance on this one point.

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01:25 AM on 01/28/2008
They who are without sin may cast the first stone....
Oh my is it gonna get real interesting when Obama's lead is crushed by Hillary!!
South Carolina has spoken and it's Hillary.....Oh Oh wait it's

Barrak by a landslide! Holy poop Pollman it Barrak by a sunami wave. John can't be found and Hillary is screaming for someone to throw a life ring.

Well, well, well, what happens when this favoritel little HEN get's her feather all wet and mussed. Watch the rhetoric for the next week. It's gonna be fun!! Hillary is gonna put on her Sailor out fit and be cussin up a storm.

Trust me I'm a salesman

Oh this is gonne be fun!!!!
10:46 AM on 01/26/2008
"I'm A Uniter, Not A divider"

Yep!

Where have we heard THAT campaign theme before??

"Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me" etc.

That "Uniter" BS is just that; this country doesn't need a compromiser. There's too much work to get done. Anybody who believes the right-wingers will sing Kumbaya with the Dems hasn't neen paying attention during the last 25 years. To posit your campaign on the opposition's co-operation is naive to the highest degtree.

I much prefer a candidate who promises tp fight for the Dem agenda than one who tries to sell cooperation amd compromise which leads to the accomplishment of little of what is vitally meeded to be done.

Obama's record in the Illinois Legislature is revealing: the fact is that he purposely misses voting hundreds of times when the issue requires DUCKING because of political comsequences.

Remember that he MISSED THE SENATE VOYE ON DECLARING IRAN'S REPUBLICAN GUARD AS TERRORISTS...?? He has criticized Sen Clinton's vote on yjat issue...BUT PURPOSAEL:Y DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL HIMSELF...becayse he wanted any votehe made on tyhe issue wouldupset some [eople...so he took the cowardly way out saying he was too busy to vote!

Phony.
08:34 PM on 01/25/2008
The Rezko/Clintons pic--probably taken at some fundraiser where the big donors get to have their pic taken with the guests of honor. It would be really interesting to see where the pic is from. Stories in the Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Trib suggest that there's somewhat more to the Obama/Rezko relationship.
07:41 PM on 01/25/2008
Jason, do you think dissecting the personalities of the Clintons and their campaign is akin to dissecting a frog in the 9th grade which made you queasy or more like unwinding a nest of snakes in a nightmare or how about dragging a long tapeworm from a man's stomach and wondering if there is an end to the vile thing?
05:05 PM on 01/25/2008
THIS TACTIC IS CALLED CHANGE THE SUBJECT. SO ONE CAN ESCAPE THE EMBARRESSMENT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS WHEN YOU KNOW SHE'S RIGHT.
05:03 PM on 01/25/2008
The Clintons are ingenious. They have come up with this absolutely incredible idea that no scientist could have ever thought of - a 100% effective mass destruction without nuclear weapon! JUST LET THE NEXT GENERATION LIE, HATE, ATTACK, and DO ANYTHING AT ALL COST TO SECURE SELF-GAIN. It is that simple. Brilliant! Just brilliant!
02:34 PM on 01/25/2008
this article points out exactly (one) of the troubles with Senator Obama - we're not sure WHAT he is - he may be conservative, or liberal, there's just not enough record to know; personally I think judging by both his Reagan comments and his Republicanesque comments about social security "reform" he's more conservative than we suspect; but I'm sure Republicans will be happy to brand him a liberal in the fall; it sort of boggles my mind that he has sort of been annointed almost like an heir to the "throne" of the Whitehouse, like a Prince ready for his God-given right to ascension; much more like royalty than an election; I don't get it.
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01:41 PM on 01/25/2008
If Willie does not calm down, we will have to invoke the 22nd Amendment for the first time in our history!
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01:00 PM on 01/25/2008
"Along with Obama, she supported Condoleeza Rice's ascension at the State Department. There's her totally out-to-lunch decision to join with Joe Lieberman in a hollow, prudish assault on video-games just when the Iraq Study Group was releasing its findings. In 2005, she co-sponsored one of those perennial patriotic pander-fest initiatives - a constitutional ban on flag burning - along with Utah Republican Bob Bennett. That same year she shafted abortion rights activists by "offering warm words to opponents of abortion."

Along the way, she's also stood by without comment as her husband (and campaign surrogate) Bill Clinton vied for the affections of the Bush family."

YEP - THAT ABOUT SUMS UP THE DLC CANDIDATE.
12:11 PM on 01/25/2008
The Republicans last night reminded me why I once liked the Clintons. Apparently, if we elect Hillary, Bill will be somewhere in the White House having sex-- dirty, naughty sex too nasty and despicable to discuss in front of children (but outlined at length in Ken Starr's sequel, release date June 2010).

And how about that photo of Bill, Hillary and Tony Rezko, smiling happily together (the expression on Hillary's face saying "What's this guy's name again?").

Sure, another Clinton presidency means scandals a-plenty. But let's be clear: they are better than Republicans. I think Mitt gave me a reason to vote for Hillary (one hand using the pencil to fill in the ballot, the other to hold my nose).

I'll get over Hillary bashing Obama for "praising" Reagan-- after apparently gushing over him in Tom Brokaw's book. For turning "party of ideas" into "party of better ideas." For standing near the aisle in Congress applauding Bush and waiting for him to give her a kiss on the cheek before his big "evil-doer" speech. For going to Senate morning prayer breakfasts with Republicans and doing everything she could to show she wasn't too liberal.

But before the Clintons' rabid fan base rips me to shreds for being a Hillary-hater, a fake Democrat who will only vote for Obama in November, accusing me of being too mean to Hillary when Obama is the fake, the phony, the whining empty suit-- look, I know you love the name "Clinton" and winning elections (with or without Perot's help) but don't think for a second we Obama supporters want to see Mitt or McCain in the White House.

If Obama loses, he'll give a great speech in support of Hillary at the convention, and then maybe, just maybe, you'll "chill out."
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11:14 AM on 01/25/2008
The mud slinging got started early.We know the Clintons record so its to be expected,from her and her pitbill, is this any measure of what her presidency would be like? heaven forbid she gets any closer. It don't sound like change to me! negative campaigns only point out the shortcomings of those that use it, if you can't get elected on what your accomplishments are you shouldn't be elected at all, and i don't mean what experience you think you have,as opposed to what you really have.
11:08 AM on 01/25/2008
Kinda whatcha'd expect from the new KKKlintons, even worse than the old version.
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11:07 AM on 01/25/2008
Do you know what the Clintons' attacks on Obama and Bill Clinton's ever present smiling/unsmiling mug in the media have really accomplished?

From http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/25/politics/main3751856.shtml :

"John McCain, riding high off victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina, has raised more than $7 million this month, collecting in three weeks more than he took in during a three-month period last year."
11:06 AM on 01/25/2008
If elected , how would this leader "ready to lead" on day one execute, all these ideas she has? Not too successfully, I tell you. And Executing, ie. executive branch is the meat of the Presidency. The blabbing about ideas is just the meat of the campaign but she like the NYT is arguing that Hillary Clinton is "Ready to Lead" from day one, but as a President of the US, and Executive of the three branches of government, your job is not to lead, per se, - that saved for the legislative branch. Your job is to insure Execution of your agendas. Hillary Clinton and the Machine are slowly destroying their chances at Executing Anything from day one, as their campaign toils in do anything, say anything politics, that will come home to roost , thus denying them any chance and executing anything. We don't need leaders, we need great executives.

Don't take her ideas or talk on the campaign too seriously, would I would be worried about is the dwindling ability to executive anything once in office. Talk about stagnate. This happens a lot in latin america countries, and its sad to see this happen in the US.
10:57 AM on 01/25/2008
In American politics, it's not the number of votes a candidate gets, it's how much money they raise. Hillary is backed by the Republican party no matter what they say to the contrary. She will continue their policies just like her husband did. Look for Blackwater patrolling your neighborhood and random roadblocks manned by Blackwater 'guards'. That is what Unitart Executive HillBill will bring.