Feingold: "I Really Do Disagree" With Reid On FISA

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First Posted: 01-24-08 12:37 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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A long-debated provision over whether or not telephone companies would get a free pass for aiding the U.S. government in warrentless surveillance hits the Senate floor today. And it threatens to open up fissures within the Democratic Party.

In an interview with the Huffington Post on Thursday morning, Sen. Russ Feingold, who opposes granting immunity to those companies, expressed disappointment that his party's leader, Sen. Harry Reid, was not doing more to help strike the provision from a newly considered version of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"Of course I have great respect for the Majority Leader," said Feingold. "He is a good friend of mine. But I really do disagree with his way of proceeding."

At issue is the likely passage of a version of FISA that contains retroactive immunity over one that doesn't. Reid has said he supports the former, but legislatively, the path has been paved for the passage of the latter. In addition, there is debate over an amendment offered by Sen. Chris Dodd, to strip immunity from any FISA bill. If that fails -- and it seems likely -- Dodd has threatened to filibuster the whole bill. On Wednesday, Reid was interpreted as saying any such filibuster will be the standing and talking variety as opposed to an agreed-upon 60-vote minimum threshold. Feingold, who supports Dodd's stance, took slight issue with that approach.

"We should have a normal process were this is debated based on a majority vote in the senate," said the Wisconsin Democrat. "That's the way it should have been done and I regret that it's not being done that way. Of course, I support Senator Dodd. He and I were principally involved in making sure this didn't get jammed through before the holidays and I will be supporting him again. But this decision does make it harder."

Speaking on the Senate floor Thursday morning before the debate, Reid addressed these concerns. He noted that he himself supported the Judiciary Committee version of the FISA bill, which would not give telecom companies a free ride from potential lawsuits.

Later in the day, however, that measure was tabled by a vote of 60 to 36. The Majority Leader has previously argued that, in the absence of the Judiciary bill, the Senate would consider the Intelligence Committee version, which grants immunity. Senators who objected to any amendment -- such as the one to be offered by Dodd -- would have to stand and argue for as long as they could.

"Senators Dodd and Feingold will seek to strike the immunity title entirely. I oppose immunity, and will support their amendment," said Reid. "If this amendment is not adopted, there will be other amendments to limit the immunity provisions in the Intelligence bill... As I have said before, if there are senators who don't like these amendments and think they should be subjected to 60-vote thresholds, these senators are going to have to engage in an old-fashioned filibuster."

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By the end of Thursday debate had been postponed to Monday, after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell moved for a vote on cloture on the Intelligence committee version and Reid objected.

Senator Dodd was spared having to filibuster. But if it does resort to that, Feingold said he will do what he can to help strip telecom immunity from any measure.

"I started this fight two years ago when they first announced the illegal program and I've been working on it every day," he said. "And it has been a great help that Chris Dodd made it a part of his presidential campaign and now that he is back to work with me and others... It's a big help. It's very hard to do it alone."

Feingold was also happy to have the support of both Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. The two Democratic frontrunners have said they oppose retroactive immunity. But, with the primary season heating up, it is unlikely they will offer anything more than rhetorical assurances.

"I'd love to have them back," said Feingold. "But it is not my job to tell them what to do on their campaigns. My understanding is that both of them have indicated support for what Senator Dodd and I are doing. So that's good. If we see real opportunity for a vote we can win, then yes. I would love to have them back."

A long-debated provision over whether or not telephone companies would get a free pass for aiding the U.S. government in warrentless surveillance hits the Senate floor today. And it threatens to open ...
A long-debated provision over whether or not telephone companies would get a free pass for aiding the U.S. government in warrentless surveillance hits the Senate floor today. And it threatens to open ...
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- ssaz I'm a Fan of ssaz 4 fans permalink

If our congressmen fail to represent the people and grant immunity to the telco´s that assisted in the illegal wire tapping of Americans, we should impeach the lot of them! What a disgrace our government is. Can't they see what a slippery slope we're on? Don't they even care what is happening to this country? Why don't we just grant a blanket immunity to all big business fraud and abuse, why just a select few!! What a joke !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 01/24/2008

Strike another blow for the forces of corruption, secrecy and lawlessness!!!

What were those things the 06 election was supposed to do?

something about shuting up the liberals long enough to gut civil liberties?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 01/24/2008
- hugs4u I'm a Fan of hugs4u 11 fans permalink

I sure hope that the people who voted Ried into his job as majority leader get defeated so as someone else can replace the bastard. he is too much of a suck ass to gw bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 01/24/2008

Senator Harry Reid
528 Hart Senate Office Bldg
Washington, DC 20510

Phone: 202-224-3542
Fax: 202-224-7327

Toll-free for Nevadans:
1-866-SEN-REID (736-7343)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 01/24/2008

Senator Harry Reid
528 Hart Senate Office Bldg
Washington, DC 20510

Phone: 202-224-3542
Fax: 202-224-7327

Toll Free for Nevadans:
1-866-SEN-REID (736-7343)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 01/24/2008
- AKJM I'm a Fan of AKJM 18 fans permalink
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I’m disgusted that Obama and Clinton would engage in a petty squabble while our house burns down rather than fight the fire. Neither deserve the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 01/24/2008
- Lucere I'm a Fan of Lucere 17 fans permalink

The FISA legislation under consideration has less to do with privacy than about about the telcos' bottom line...

If you aren't convinced, attempt to answer the following question:

If telcos are so interested in national security, why did they shut down wiretapping operations when the Feds were late paying the bills?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 01/24/2008

Historically “privacy was considered a protection from invasion, a protection from the king. In order to protect our freedoms it remains essential to control aspects of ourselves. Knowing everything about someone reduces that person to a set of known facts, controllable and manipulatable. As long as a zone of autonomy exists around each and every individual, the opportunities for abuse and oppression are lessened."

"The reduction of privacy is one of the first goals of a totalitarian regime: “The modern totalitarian state relies on secrecy for the regime, but high surveillance and disclosure for all other groups.""

From the paper of a wise undergrad sourcing Jorgensen and Westin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 01/24/2008
- stlrfan I'm a Fan of stlrfan 2 fans permalink

Reid stymies his own party, what the hell kind of leadership is that? Feingold and Dodd seem to be the only two with enough guts to stand up for their party. Wonder if Obama will fly back to vote present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 01/24/2008

Reid needs to be voted out by his constituents in the next election cycle. The guy is a weasel and a wimp of the first degree who's not fit to lead a bunch of kindergarteners down the hallway to lunch much less the U.S. Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 01/24/2008

Any chance we can get rid of Reid in the primary? I cannot believe that he is even considering giving retro-active immunity. And the Dems wonder why we are all so pissed off at them. *sigh*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 01/24/2008
- gonnuts I'm a Fan of gonnuts 15 fans permalink

Oh, I'm all a tither - a "show down".

Would be this like any of the other "show-downs" we've had so far? Like the one over rigged elections, cheney's energy meetings, investigating 9/11, ENRON, Iraq, Downing Stree Memo's, Halliburton, Plame, Katrina, State Attorney firings, no-bid contracts, presidential directives, signing statements, ignoring subpoenas, missing emails, or any of many crimes too long to list here?

If so - PISS OFF! And wake me when when you put the rope around their necks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 01/24/2008
- ymax I'm a Fan of ymax 3 fans permalink

America : One Nation, Under Surveillance

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 01/24/2008
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 70 fans permalink

and you all want to elect a democratic president because you think something will CHANGE. what a bunch of stooges. its over. doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is a definition of insanity. the american people have become insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 01/24/2008
- shep65 I'm a Fan of shep65 4 fans permalink
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Once again the American people are going to be sold out. Congress will not stand up for the people they represent. They will undoubtedly give the president the FISA bill he wants.
If the telecommunications industry has no liability why do they need immunity?
Will any of the candidates running for president make any difference? The 3 democratic candidates were or are Senators. Why are the 2 that still are not in Washington right now fighting for the rights of American citizens.
A POX ON ALL THEIR HOUSES

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 01/24/2008
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