Super Tuesday Won't Decide Nominations

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STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | January 24, 2008 12:53 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Don't look to crown any presidential nominees on Super Tuesday.

The race for delegates is so close in both parties that it is mathematically impossible for any candidate to lock up the nomination on Feb. 5, according to an Associated Press analysis of the states in play that day.

"A lot of people were predicting that this presidential election on both sides was going to be this massive sprint that ended on Feb. 5," said Jenny Backus, a Democratic consultant who is not affiliated with any candidate. Now it's looking as if the primaries after Super Tuesday _ including such big, delegate-rich states as Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania _ could grow in importance.

"Maybe some states were better off waiting," said Backus.

That doesn't mean Super Tuesday won't be super after all. Voters in more than 20 states will go to the polls on the biggest day of the primary campaign, and thousands of delegates will be at stake.

But it's possible Feb. 5 might not even produce clear front-runners.

Here's why:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton leads the race for delegates to the Democratic National Convention this summer. She has 236, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates, giving her a 100-delegate lead over Sen. Barack Obama.

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There will be nearly 1,700 Democratic delegates at stake on Feb. 5, enough to put a candidate well on his or her way to the 2,025 needed to secure the nomination. But even if somehow either Clinton or Obama won every one of those delegates, it wouldn't be enough. And with two strong candidates, the delegates could be divided fairly evenly because the Democrats award their delegates proportionally _ not winner-take- all.

The biggest prizes among the Democratic states are California (370 delegates), New York (232) and Illinois (153). All three states award Democratic delegates proportionally, with most delegates awarded according to the popular vote in individual congressional districts, and the rest based on the statewide vote.

The wild card for the Democrats involves the superdelegates, nearly 800 elected officials and members of the Democratic National Committee. They are free to support any candidate they choose at the national convention, regardless of the outcome of the primaries.

The AP has interviewed more than 90 percent of the superdelegates who have been identified by the party, and most have yet to endorse a candidate. Many say they will not make endorsements until after their states vote.

The Republicans have a better chance to produce a clear front-runner because several states, including New York, New Jersey, Missouri and Arizona, award all their GOP delegates to the candidate who wins the popular statewide vote. But a Republican candidate would have to attract support across the country to build a formidable lead.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney leads the race for delegates to the Republican National Convention with 59. He is followed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee with 40 and Arizona Sen. John McCain with 36.

There will be more than 1,000 Republican delegates at stake on Feb. 5, enough to give a candidate a substantial boost toward the 1,191 needed to win the nomination _ but only if one man emerges victorious in numerous states.

"I think you could have two or three viable (GOP) candidates" following Super Tuesday, said Ohio Republican Chairman Robert Bennett.

"Somebody's going to have some big wins, but you're going to go into March 4, and you're not going to have an apparent (GOP) nominee," Bennett said.

Ohio is waiting in the wings with its 85 Republican delegates on March 4, a date it shares with Texas, which will award 137 GOP delegates.

Other big states with later contests include Maryland and Virginia on Feb. 12, Wisconsin on Feb. 19 and Pennsylvania on April 22.

Four years ago, Sen. John Kerry clinched the Democratic nomination on March 2 _ the earliest date in modern times _ with a string of Super Tuesday primary victories. In 2000, George W. Bush and Al Gore both clinched their parties' nominations on March 14, each sweeping a string of Southern primaries that day.

This year, Super Tuesday has grown to include more than 20 states, and it was moved up to Feb. 5 as states leapfrogged each other in an attempt to increase their influence in picking the nominees.

With so many states voting so early, the stage was set for a lengthy general election campaign after nominees were settled early in the year.

Some think that is still a good bet, especially if candidates who don't fare well on Feb. 5 decide to drop out.

"It may take a while for Obama or Clinton to get 50 percent plus one of the delegates. But if it does narrow to a two-person race, then the Democratic nomination will be determined relatively soon," said David Rohde, a political science professor at Duke University.

Rohde said it is possible for the nomination contests to drag all the way to the conventions this summer. But he added, "It is also possible for aliens from Mars to land tomorrow and interfere with the election."

WASHINGTON — Don't look to crown any presidential nominees on Super Tuesday. The race for delegates is so close in both parties that it is mathematically impossible for any candidate to lock up...
WASHINGTON — Don't look to crown any presidential nominees on Super Tuesday. The race for delegates is so close in both parties that it is mathematically impossible for any candidate to lock up...
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Super Tuesday won't decide, but apparently John McCain has...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/mccain-keeps-hi.html

Apparently, he's running on the Democrats are pussies stance. I particularly liked "Our efforts are working...and she wants to put up the white flag and withdraw."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 01/24/2008
- stlrfan I'm a Fan of stlrfan 2 fans permalink

Folks who survived Reaganomics and flourished under Clinton will remember. When it comes to the economy the Clintons are more savy than anyone on either side. Obama's hope and inspiration are nice, but I'll vote my wallet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 01/24/2008

MrBritesnide, I agree. My wish is that some of these rabidly pro-Obama HuffPo's go out into the real world and meet real democrats and see what THEY think.

There is a reason Hillary is polling so high.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 01/24/2008

It's amazing to me how the Democrats could have put a short list of top tier candidates together that could actually be defeated in the general. In such a crucial election with victory nearly handed to you, you couldn't help but chase the shiny objects rather than look at the serious candidates. It's as if I were watching some unfortunate self-destructive child practicing self-mutilation. But when it's over and Clinton and Obama have led you to defeat, you'll have no one to blame but yourself. While a few in your party tried to warn you, too full of yourselves to heed their warning, you've done the impossible and helped the repubs pull off another presidential victory.

Can you say: President Romney/Huckabee/McCain? I think you should start practicing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 01/24/2008
- oafishcad I'm a Fan of oafishcad 45 fans permalink

Sorry, I think it would be great if neither party had an actual nominee until the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 01/24/2008
- Rigso I'm a Fan of Rigso 2 fans permalink

it may not decide but if 1 person is clear winner, they practicall won because they would likely win next big states and be presumed nominee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 01/24/2008
- Rescisco I'm a Fan of Rescisco 80 fans permalink

Have you noticed that the campaigns become less and less "presidential" and more and more "warlike" as the primaries heat up. This is actually the part I like because we get to see what really sleazy ambition driven hacks they all are. I say that with love for them and the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 01/24/2008
- clsez I'm a Fan of clsez 19 fans permalink
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Oh now that Susan Rice,
She can be my president any day. The girl can
tussle with the best of them and still look like she is serving tea. Gorgeous!
Best of all, what a mighty weapon for Barack
Hey Susan......Call me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 01/24/2008
- Dap I'm a Fan of Dap 51 fans permalink
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We, the People need to send a message to the Washington elite.

That message is John Edwards!

Contribute, Become a part of real CHANGE!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 01/24/2008

What we know about Republicans is they do not vote "FOR" issues or leaders, they won't "AGAINST" whatever they are told to fear at the moment. With this insight, Dems need to vote strategically. All of the Republican candidates have major flaws, including and especially McCain. None of them appeal to all the factions of the conservative voter. McCain has problems with the neocons who want the US to be Jack Bauer in 24 and torture, he has problems with the bigots- amnesty for illegal immigrants, anyone? And Wall Street? He is against Bush's tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans.

So, in order for him (or any Republican) to win, the Dems need to have a candidate they can promote as something to fear far worse than the differences they have with the Republican nominee.

Unfortunately Hillary and Obama can deliver the red meat they need to instill enough fear into republicans to drive them to the polls. Whether it be Clinton hating, fear of women in control, fear of a black man in control, fear of a (wink wink) possible muslim in control, Bill Clinton's penis, etc, etc.

John Edwards is the only candidate that will not only adhere to the Dem principles, but most importantly, the Republicans are not going to be fearful enough of a white southern man (albiet with great hair and a big house) to vote for a Republican they can't fully get behind.

Hillary and Obama will still be in the Senate and still have fabulous futures ahead in the party (if their bickering doesn't completely destroy them and us). Vote strategically. Edwards is our only hope and the GOP's worst nightmare. It's about time we stop shooting ourselves in the foot and feeding the monster.

Go Edwards Go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 01/24/2008

This is exactly why we should NOT buy in to the MSM meme that there are only 2 viable candidates in the race for the Democratic Party´s nomination. Edwards, Edwards, Edwards! Edwards is the candidate with the best policies and the best chance of winning the election no matter WHO gets the nomination on the Republican side.

An appeal to any Democrat: Do you seriously want progress? Do you seriously want to ensure that the Democrats win the Presidential election and sweep the House and Senate? Support EDWARDS. Vote for EDWARDS in the primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 01/24/2008
- brueso I'm a Fan of brueso 4 fans permalink

Countdown to the next Bill Clinton meltdown. Let's see- if the Primary is Saturday, Mount Clinton will probably erupt sometime Friday, accusing the Obama campaign of something so it's on the Friday night news programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 01/24/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

Super Tuesday will decide a clear front runner. Most of the states in play on 2/5 are not winner take all, so the delegate count will be split, which will result in a clear leader but not a winner. Washington State will also be an important state to watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 01/24/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Good article.

I agree. Super-Tuesday will make a difference in the Dem. primaries.

This day is the only one where momentum will actually mean something.

Everything else until now has just set the stage and fleshed out the issues, the biases, and helped voters decide where they stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 01/24/2008
- Dandy12 I'm a Fan of Dandy12 2 fans permalink

I'm tired of seeing the candidates rip themselves and others apart before the real campaign. I wish the primary process would speed up before there's nothing but dust left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 01/24/2008
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