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Gazans Breach Egyptian Border Again

SARAH EL DEEB | January 25, 2008 06:58 PM EST | AP

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RAFAH, Gaza Strip — Hamas-backed militants driving bulldozers knocked down more fortifications Friday along the Gaza-Egypt border _ a brazen challenge to Egyptian riot police, who abandoned their positions after attempting to reseal the frontier using human chains, dogs and water cannons.

Militants in black clothing, some of them masked, stood atop a bulldozer as it knocked down concrete slabs under the watchful eyes of Hamas security officials, who turned a blind eye and were later seen patrolling on the Egyptian side of the border.

Thousands of Palestinians flooded into Egypt, pushing through several openings as Egyptian troops retreated to their bases on the other side of the border. Palestinians positioned cranes next to the border and lifted crates of supplies into Gaza, including camels and cows.

Hamas, after blasting open the border wall earlier in the week, offered further proof Friday that it simply cannot be ignored _ driving home in no uncertain terms that a high price will be paid by anyone who seeks to shape Gaza's border arrangements without the militants' consent.

The day's events also underscored a great dilemma faced by Egypt: if it acts forcefully against the Gazans, it could anger its own people, who are sympathetic to the Palestinians' plight. But if it does nothing, it risks infiltration by Islamic militants.

Earlier Friday, Hamas gunmen fanned out along the Gaza side of the border, attempting to create order. For the first time since the border wall was torn down in a series of blasts on Wednesday, Gaza's Hamas rulers deployed their most elite forces to contain the rowdy crowd.

Hamas is clearly seeking to flex its muscles ahead of a potential new border agreement with Egypt that the militants hope will help end a 2-year-old blockade imposed by Israel and the West.

The group called for a three-way meeting among Hamas, Egypt and the Fatah movement of President Mahmoud Abbas to try to come up with a new border arrangement for Gaza.

"If the leadership in Ramallah refuses this call, we will not stand idle until the siege overruns life in Gaza," Hamas said in a statement.

The border breach provided a significant popularity boost to Hamas, which can claim it successfully broke through the closure that has deprived the coastal strip of normal trade and commerce.

"Hamas did this and when Egypt found resistance, it let up," said a joyous Reem Sahloul, 28, of Khan Younis. "Hamas proved stronger than the (Egyptian) army."

Egyptian forces shot in the air, fired water cannons and _ in a particularly forceful display _ deployed dogs to hinder the flow of Gazans into Egypt. Dogs are considered impure by observant Muslims.

As bulldozers ripped down the wall and Gazans jumped over, soldiers ran with their dogs to chase the infiltrators. Hamas militants then opened fire on the dogs, killing three of them.

An Egyptian soldier was slightly wounded in the leg, likely from gunshots fired by Hamas militants on the Gazan side, an Egyptian officer said on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to talk to the media. Five policemen were also injured by stones hurled by Gazans.

Egyptian ambulances rushed into a patch of land separating Egypt from Gaza to pick up the injured, with Hamas militants clearing the area of people so they could arrive and do their job.

Egypt has rejected any suggestion of assuming responsibility for the crowded, impoverished territory _ a hot issue in light of comments this week by Israeli officials who said the border breach could relieve the Jewish state of its burdens in Gaza.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers from the territory in 2005, but it still controls access into and out of Gaza, in addition to its airspace and harbors. Israel also provides the fuel needed to run Gaza's only power plant _ the withholding of which is currently causing severe power outages.

In an interview published Friday, President Hosni Mubarak decried the situation in Gaza as "unacceptable" and called on Israel to "lift its siege" and "solve the problem."

"They should get things back to normal according to previous agreements and understandings," Mubarak told the weekly Al-Osboa.

He also invited rival Palestinian factions to Cairo for talks, but did not mention a date. Hamas spokesman Ayman Taha told the Al-Jazeera TV that Hamas' supreme leader, Khaled Mashaal, was ready to accept the invitation. But Abbas' representative in Egypt, Nabil Shaath, said Fatah had made no decision.

Sami Abu Zuhri, another Hamas spokesman, said Palestinians had to keep the barrier open "until the crossings are reopened."

"The gaps shouldn't be closed because they provide urgent assistance to the Palestinians," he said.

Both Egypt and Israel restricted the movement of people and goods in and out of Gaza after Hamas won parliament elections in 2006, and further tightened the closure after Hamas seized control of the area by force last June.

Gazans took full advantage of the open border to stock up on desperately needed supplies and renew links to the other side.

The influx included a gaggle of Palestinian women in finely embroidered dresses and fresh makeup, heading to relatives' weddings in Egypt they said had been hastily moved up to allow Gazan family members to attend.

Yousef Mohammed, 17, of Gaza, said he waited until Friday to make the trip because he was trying to get together enough money to shop in Egypt. "They don't want us to go in," he said, pointing at the riot police.

By mid-afternoon, Egyptians eased up on the attempts to restrict the cross-border movement. Hundreds of riot police suddenly left a border crossing at Rafah, to march back into the Egyptian side of the divided town, and Gazans again streamed by the hundreds through the regular crossing.

Egyptian Amira Ali, 39, carrying her toddler son and holding a 6-year-old son by the hand, said she wanted to visit her mother-in-law in Gaza. "Of course, I'm afraid (of being trapped in Gaza), but will try to go for a while so my mother-in-law can see the kids," she said.

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Associated Press reporter Omar Sinan in Rafah, Egypt, contributed to this report.

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- Dendroica See Profile I'm a Fan of Dendroica permalink

I'm going to amplify one of my statements- think of it as a parting gift.

One of the many problems with this issue is that many cultures are overly infused with a sort of "machismo" rationale, which makes even the slightest form of compromise seem like capitulation.

It would be amazingly easy for the Palestinians to stop firing rockets. They could do it in a heartbeat, and they'd gain enormous international sympathy and it would force Israel to bargain. But they can't, because for many that would be seen as a sign of weakness, and that will prevent them from seeking what many would see as the only rational action.

Israel on the other hand, has too much internal pressure to give a lighter hand and "take it"- the last time Israel showed restraint was during the first Gulf war. It should be noted by all that any possible "tail wagging the dog" scenario that so many believe is true- Israel or her patrons "controlling" the US can be shown to be absolutely false due to this.

So for serious change to happen, Israel needs a stronger government that isn't constantly threatened by no-confidence votes and a shaky coalition. The Palestinians need a unified government, that isn't full of graft and isn't afraid to seek long-term goals over instant gratification. And the Arab world needs to back off, and support non-violence in the region. That isn't going to be easy, when you have monolithic governments and government controlled press. It will also require their schools to teach tolerance and multiculturalism, and they haven't shown a very good history of that in the last 80 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 01/27/2008
- Coyote2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Coyote2 permalink

driven989 posted: "It is so sad that you people need to be convinced that Palestine and Palestinians even exist."

No one is claiming "that Palestine and Palestinians don't exist." You are creating a straw man. Actually you are supporting the argument that if it existed in history, then it has a right to exist in the modern age. Thus Israel has a genuine historical claim.

The point is that the STATE of Palestine does not exist. It does not exist in the MODERN world. The purpose of these PEACE talks are to create such a state in exchange for guaranteed PEACE for Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 01/27/2008
- Coyote2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Coyote2 permalink

Zionists are so racist and hateful. cdnnewsjunky posted

Zionism is is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish People in the Land of Israel. Why do you find this "racist and hateful?" Coyote2 posted

That's the old definition, it ceased to have a meaning as Israel became a nation. Zionism today is a racist movement that supports Israeli expansionism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing. amanda85 posted

It is the standard dictionary definition. ProudNeoCon posted

ZIONISM = NATIONALISM (i.e. Fascism) amanda85 posted

since when nationalism = fascism? ProudNeoCon posted

Since fascism was invented. But you don't know anything about fascism, you don't even know that your country (America) is **BY DEFINITION** fascist. amanda85 posted

oh

And so folks we see how ignorant the extreme left is. They need to change the definition of words so that those words -like Zionism- fit into their leftist anti-fascist hatreds of Israel, America and Britain. E.g.: If Britain is not fascist, how can we hate it? (note amanda85 is a Canadian)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 01/27/2008
- Dendroica See Profile I'm a Fan of Dendroica permalink

What really bothers me about this whole issue, is how it is always at the top of the international rights agenda, when there is so much else going on.

For instance, it was recently announced that the death toll in the Congo civil war is roughly 5,000,000. And do you see them debating sanctions in the UN? Are liberals up in arms about this?

Most of the third world is mired in tribalism and human rights violations- where what race you belong to has a better chance of dictating your rights and living conditions than it does your abilities and initiative. But almost all we hear are the first-world nation's ills.

Maybe if people worldwide cared less about religion and tribalism, and more about solving their joint problems, we wouldn't have 80% of the world living on $2/day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 01/26/2008
- Coyote2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Coyote2 permalink

ROBERT S. WISTRICH Posted:

Extreme-left Judeophobes, unlike their predecessors of a century ago, never call themselves "anti-Semitic." Indeed, they are usually indignant at the very suggestion that they have something against the Jews. Such denials notwithstanding, they are generally obsessed with stigmatizing Israel.

The dream of the far left has long been to dissolve the hated "Zionist entity" and, in the name of human rights, make the world Judenstaatrein (free of a Jewish state). Thus, they deny to the Jewish people a fundamental human and political right that they would militantly defend for nonwhite peoples"above all, the Palestinians"namely, the right to national self-determination.

This anti-Zionism of the radical leftist camp, profoundly discriminatory toward Jewish nationalism, has now spread into the mainstream liberal left, whose rhetoric relentlessly seeks to undermine the moral and historic legitimacy of a Jewish state. Liberal leftists portray Israel as a state born of the "original sin" of dis-placing, expropriating, or expelling an "aboriginal" population. Not only that, but they attribute to the Jews and Israel qualities of cruelty, brutality, bloodthirstiness, duplicity, greed, and immorality drawn straight from the arsenals of classic anti-Semitism.

Such polemics transcend the question of double standards. They go far beyond the long-established media practice of singling out Israel for savage criticism NEVER APPLIED TO ANY OTHER NATION-STATE. Indeed they constitute a clear case of negationism"denying the humanity of Israelis in order to stigmatize, defame, and morally disintegrate the Jewish state, as a prelude to its physical destruction

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 01/26/2008
- Coyote2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Coyote2 permalink

drjasonmd posted: "200 rockets and missiles? With what? Like 10 lb. warheads? Look at the casualty counts. WAR! It's what's for dinner."

WAR! It's what's for dinner

WAR! It's what's for dinner

WAR! It's what's for dinner

EXACTLY !!! That is what I have been posting here for hours. A state of war exists and the Palestinians SUSTAIN BOTH THE IMAGE AND REALITY OF THAT WAR with the almost daily launching of missiles into their enemy's state.

200 rockets and missiles in a couple weeks means that the state of warfare continues. NOT PEACE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 01/26/2008
- bb1234 See Profile I'm a Fan of bb1234 permalink

Of course no mention here of the thousands of missles sent into the Israel town of Sderot by the Arab terrorists (sorry, freedom fighters). Of course, there has been no condemnsation from the UN. The Arab leadership has been purposely victimizing their own people for decades. Where are the billions that the world has provided these people? The past few days' events demonstrate that Egypt could have easily provide for the Gaza population if their own terrorist leaders would allow it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 01/26/2008
- thebeerdoctor See Profile I'm a Fan of thebeerdoctor permalink

I have nothing to add to this back and forth diatribe except to say that the US government is totally disingenuous when it claims to care about the injustice being done to the people who live in the land occupied by Israel. It is pointless to try to be rational with religious extremism, of whatever stripe. But what is important to me, as a citizen of this country is: who said the United States must be an imperial power? As Mark Twain said in 1900: "I am opposed to have the eagle put its talons on any other land."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 01/26/2008
- Dendroica See Profile I'm a Fan of Dendroica permalink

Just for the record, Amanda85 used the word "Hitler" 13 times in this page alone.

That sort of insanity, coupled with her hatred of America, is very dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 01/26/2008
- Coyote2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Coyote2 permalink

Is anyone still here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 01/26/2008
- MagisterLudi See Profile I'm a Fan of MagisterLudi permalink

The fact that Jordan, a majority Palestinian state has been given to Hashemite tribe to subjugate and repress is not a problem for brainwashed idiot posting here. Hey, boys will be boys.
The fact that in Lebanon Syrians are daily killing Lebanese who want to get rid of Syrian influence is ignored. Muslim on Muslims ( or Christian) crimes are OK.
The fact that EGYPT despises Hamas BECAUSE Hamas are fucking terrorist scum is conveniently ignored.
Many governments absolutely despise Hamas (U.S. E.U, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc).
But it is politically incorrect to call ANY Muslim terrorist group a "terrorist group." Why? Because... they're Muslim.
They're ALL freedom fighters... how obtuse...
Eeryone of them.
Every murder is simply a legitimate expression of protest against (fill in the blanks).

Now Israelis are all terrorist, of course. So are most Americans, especially the ones that pay taxes and drive cars.
I say:
"Yankee, get out of U.S. Now."
"Israelis, out of Israel. Now."
Palestinians, out of Pale... SORRY thats not PC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 01/26/2008
- Coyote2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Coyote2 permalink

amanda85 posted: "Yes, the partisans did some unspeakable things, unfortunately it's the price humanity had to pay to get rid of the nazi regime."

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Okay, Amanda, what you are arguing is that in a state of WAR, "unspeakable things" occur. We are on the same side here.

A state of WAR exists between the Palestinians and the state of Israel, with the majority of those in the former territories of Jordan -the West Bank- favoring the current peace talks with Israel, while those former citizens of Egypt -the Gaza strip- choosing a more radical approach; that being the destruction of the state of Israel.

Thus a state of WAR and uncertainty continues and "unspeakable things" will NATURALLY OCCUR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 01/26/2008
- Rubiconski See Profile I'm a Fan of Rubiconski permalink

Tomorrow, protests are planned involving both Israelis and Palestinians. Support demonstrations are planned throughout the world. These planned actions are a source of inspiration to all Palestinians. Do your part to help¦. only a united world against oppression will help unite and free all of Palestine.

Brave Gazans break free:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/audio_video/photo_galleries/article3240196.ece

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 01/26/2008
- Merg See Profile I'm a Fan of Merg permalink

Yes, I see the Palestinians did not limit their shopping spree to just 'basic essentials' They also stocked up on basic essential massive quantities of weapons. I wonder what they will do with those?http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59837
Must be for Hamas fireworks celebrations.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 01/26/2008
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